"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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AP Sues for Access to Bush Guard Records


Did they also sue for complete access to Kerry's records?

You know...just to be fair.

"NOYB" wrote in message ...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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AP Sues for Access to Bush Guard Records


Did they also sue for complete access to Kerry's records?

You know...just to be fair.

How would that be "fair"? Bush is the president of the United States,
and should be held accountable for what he has said is true. I'd
certainly put Kerry's military record against Bush's any day. You know
the outcome, that's why you seem so upset every time someone mentions
it.

Of course the Privacy Act may just get in the way of the AP folks. Military
records are virtually unreleaseable under the protection of the Privacy Act.

AP lawyers?????

Butch
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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AP Sues for Access to Bush Guard Records


Tuesday June 22, 2004 10:31 PM

AP Photo DCCD104

By PETE YOST

Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Associated Press sued the Pentagon and the Air
Force on Tuesday, seeking access to all records of George W. Bush's
military service during the Vietnam War.

Filed in federal court in New York, where The AP is headquartered, the
lawsuit seeks access to a copy of Bush's microfilmed personnel file from
the Texas State Library and Archives Commission in Austin.

The White House says the government has already released all the records
of Bush's military service.

Controversy surrounds Bush's time in the Texas Air National Guard
because it is unclear from the record what duties he performed for the
military when he was working on the political campaign of a U.S. Senate
candidate in Alabama.

***There are questions as to whether the file provided to the news media
earlier this year is complete, says the lawsuit, adding that these
questions could possibly be answered by reviewing a copy of the
microfilm of Bush's personnel file in the Texas archives.***

The Air National Guard of the United States, a federal entity, has
control of the microfilm, which should be disclosed in its entirety
under the Freedom of Information Act, the lawsuit says.

The White House has yet to respond to a request by the AP in April
asking the president to sign a written waiver of his right to keep
records of his military service confidential. Bush gave an oral waiver
in a TV appearance that preceded the White House's release this year of
materials concerning his National Guard service.

The government ``did not expedite their response ... they did not
produce the file within the time required by law, and they will not now
estimate when the file might be produced or even confirm that an effort
has been initiated to retrieve a copy from the microfilm at the Texas
archives,'' the lawsuit says.

In the absence of any privacy objection by the president and in light of
the importance of the file's release in advance of the November
election, says the lawsuit, AP seeks a court order to compel the release
of records ``that are being unlawfully withheld from the public.''

The released records were from the Texas Air National Guard at Camp
Mabry and the Defense Financing Accounting Service in Denver.

Under Texas law, a copy of military personnel files of those serving in
the Texas Air National Guard must be retained on microfilm at the Texas
archives.

The lawsuit says that no one has looked at any of the Texas Air National
Guard records maintained at the state archives since 1996.

Responding to AP's request, the Texas Air National Guard concluded that
Bush's file was a federal record under control of the U.S. Air National
Guard.

When the government did not produce the documents, AP appealed to the
Pentagon, saying that by law, the microfilm copy should have been
produced within 20 days. The Pentagon said it could not respond within
the legally required period.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Butch Davis wrote:

Of course the Privacy Act may just get in the way of the AP folks.
Military
records are virtually unreleaseable under the protection of the Privacy
Act.

AP lawyers?????

Butch
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Sure, AP lawyers. The AP is a substantial membership organization. It
has lawyers.

I don't understand Bush's reluctance to release it all. By now, he's
released, what, 99.9% of his military record stuff? What could possibly
be in the remaining bit that would bother him after all these years?

Bush has fallen into an abyss of a credibility gap.

....only with the people who never supported him and never will.

Bush supporters don't need an explanation...and you guys would never believe
it anyway.

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Butch Davis wrote:

Of course the Privacy Act may just get in the way of the AP folks.
Military
records are virtually unreleaseable under the protection of the Privacy
Act.

AP lawyers?????

Butch
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Sure, AP lawyers. The AP is a substantial membership organization. It
has lawyers.

I don't understand Bush's reluctance to release it all. By now, he's
released, what, 99.9% of his military record stuff? What could possibly
be in the remaining bit that would bother him after all these years?

Bush has fallen into an abyss of a credibility gap.

...only with the people who never supported him and never will.

Bush supporters don't need an explanation...and you guys would never believe
it anyway.


Indeed, you Bush supporters seem willing, no, eager, to swallow every
single lie, bull**** story, mistatement of fact, and rationalization the
Bush-****ters feed you.

It must be bloody awful to have a mind as closed as yours seems to be.
Yet, you had a decent education.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Butch Davis wrote:

Of course the Privacy Act may just get in the way of the AP folks.
Military
records are virtually unreleaseable under the protection of the
Privacy
Act.

AP lawyers?????

Butch
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Sure, AP lawyers. The AP is a substantial membership organization. It
has lawyers.

I don't understand Bush's reluctance to release it all. By now, he's
released, what, 99.9% of his military record stuff? What could possibly
be in the remaining bit that would bother him after all these years?

Bush has fallen into an abyss of a credibility gap.

...only with the people who never supported him and never will.

Bush supporters don't need an explanation...and you guys would never
believe
it anyway.



Bush supporters apparently need NOTHING, Dr Tooth. That's scary. They don't
need explanations which make sense. They don't need reasons which don't
insult a normal person's intelligence. They just accept what he says. That's
not healthy. They treat your boy as if he were a deity.

There a number of ways we could diagnose these symptoms, but I'll be
charitable and simply say that they suggest intense laziness.

Doug Kanter wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Butch Davis wrote:

Of course the Privacy Act may just get in the way of the AP folks.
Military
records are virtually unreleaseable under the protection of the
Privacy
Act.

AP lawyers?????

Butch
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Sure, AP lawyers. The AP is a substantial membership organization. It
has lawyers.

I don't understand Bush's reluctance to release it all. By now, he's
released, what, 99.9% of his military record stuff? What could possibly
be in the remaining bit that would bother him after all these years?

Bush has fallen into an abyss of a credibility gap.

...only with the people who never supported him and never will.

Bush supporters don't need an explanation...and you guys would never
believe
it anyway.



Bush supporters apparently need NOTHING, Dr Tooth. That's scary. They don't
need explanations which make sense. They don't need reasons which don't
insult a normal person's intelligence. They just accept what he says. That's
not healthy. They treat your boy as if he were a deity.

There a number of ways we could diagnose these symptoms, but I'll be
charitable and simply say that they suggest intense laziness.




Earlier in the Bush mis-administration, I coined the term "RepubliBORG"
to describe those Republicans who seemingly mindlessly accept Bush and
his utter stupidity, his dimwitted persona, his ignoring of serious
issues, his long vacations and, of course, 9-11 and its aftermath.

Laziness for sure. Unwillingness to deal with realities. Or perhaps
they're afraid of the Republican leadership, which actually goes after
those in the party who don't toe the line.

If I were a Republican these days, I'd be really frightened of the
influence on the party and the president of the Southern Baptists and
the other religious simpletons who control Bush. They remind me of the
Taliban.

On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:27:39 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Butch Davis wrote:

Of course the Privacy Act may just get in the way of the AP folks.
Military
records are virtually unreleaseable under the protection of the
Privacy
Act.

AP lawyers?????

Butch
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Sure, AP lawyers. The AP is a substantial membership organization. It
has lawyers.

I don't understand Bush's reluctance to release it all. By now, he's
released, what, 99.9% of his military record stuff? What could possibly
be in the remaining bit that would bother him after all these years?

Bush has fallen into an abyss of a credibility gap.

...only with the people who never supported him and never will.

Bush supporters don't need an explanation...and you guys would never
believe
it anyway.



Bush supporters apparently need NOTHING, Dr Tooth. That's scary. They don't
need explanations which make sense. They don't need reasons which don't
insult a normal person's intelligence. They just accept what he says. That's
not healthy. They treat your boy as if he were a deity.

There a number of ways we could diagnose these symptoms, but I'll be
charitable and simply say that they suggest intense laziness.




Earlier in the Bush mis-administration, I coined the term "RepubliBORG"
to describe those Republicans who seemingly mindlessly accept Bush and
his utter stupidity, his dimwitted persona, his ignoring of serious
issues, his long vacations and, of course, 9-11 and its aftermath.

Laziness for sure. Unwillingness to deal with realities. Or perhaps
they're afraid of the Republican leadership, which actually goes after
those in the party who don't toe the line.

If I were a Republican these days, I'd be really frightened of the
influence on the party and the president of the Southern Baptists and
the other religious simpletons who control Bush. They remind me of the
Taliban.

Must have been before this:

arwalden (7073 posts)
Aug-09-02, 06:07 PM (ET)
35. Borg. Republiborg.
Republicans. Generally used to indicate the mindless, unthinking, hive-mentality
of many zealot Republicans. The ones who follow the party line and parrot the
party arguments that they've heard from Rush Limbaugh. In most instances, they
never think about an issue and make up their own minds. Nor do they understand
the meaning of the words they are parroting.

(http://www.democraticunderground.com...ForumI D40#35)

or this:

Republicans

Borg

Elephant

GOP

Pubes

Repiggies

Repub

Repubes

Republiborg

Repuglies

Repugs

Repukes

Rethuglicans

Repubblechins

Republechins

(http://dug.seattleactivist.org/#republiborg)


Whoops!









John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

John H wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:27:39 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Butch Davis wrote:

Of course the Privacy Act may just get in the way of the AP folks.
Military
records are virtually unreleaseable under the protection of the
Privacy
Act.

AP lawyers?????

Butch
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Sure, AP lawyers. The AP is a substantial membership organization. It
has lawyers.

I don't understand Bush's reluctance to release it all. By now, he's
released, what, 99.9% of his military record stuff? What could possibly
be in the remaining bit that would bother him after all these years?

Bush has fallen into an abyss of a credibility gap.

...only with the people who never supported him and never will.

Bush supporters don't need an explanation...and you guys would never
believe
it anyway.



Bush supporters apparently need NOTHING, Dr Tooth. That's scary. They don't
need explanations which make sense. They don't need reasons which don't
insult a normal person's intelligence. They just accept what he says. That's
not healthy. They treat your boy as if he were a deity.

There a number of ways we could diagnose these symptoms, but I'll be
charitable and simply say that they suggest intense laziness.




Earlier in the Bush mis-administration, I coined the term "RepubliBORG"
to describe those Republicans who seemingly mindlessly accept Bush and
his utter stupidity, his dimwitted persona, his ignoring of serious
issues, his long vacations and, of course, 9-11 and its aftermath.

Laziness for sure. Unwillingness to deal with realities. Or perhaps
they're afraid of the Republican leadership, which actually goes after
those in the party who don't toe the line.

If I were a Republican these days, I'd be really frightened of the
influence on the party and the president of the Southern Baptists and
the other religious simpletons who control Bush. They remind me of the
Taliban.

Must have been before this:

arwalden (7073 posts)
Aug-09-02, 06:07 PM (ET)
35. Borg. Republiborg.
Republicans. Generally used to indicate the mindless, unthinking, hive-mentality
of many zealot Republicans. The ones who follow the party line and parrot the
party arguments that they've heard from Rush Limbaugh. In most instances, they
never think about an issue and make up their own minds. Nor do they understand
the meaning of the words they are parroting.

(http://www.democraticunderground.com...ForumI D40#35)



Yup...it was. Except my term is RepubliBORG.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message Earlier in the
Bush mis-administration, I coined the term "RepubliBORG"


LOL, life must suck to actually think that is an accomplishment.