NOYB,
It is so funny watching asskisser make a fool out of himself, how anyone
could misread your post is beyond me ( but then again, we are talking about
asskisser, the guy who argued for weeks that schnapps is a whiskey, and
can't seem to understand that Gore-Tex makes a thread.)


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NOYB wrote:
1) James Madison
2) Harry Truman
3) William H. Taft
4) Thomas Jefferson

The only one on this list who was "brilliant" is Jefferson. And I've
never read that he was a poor speaker, but rather the contrary.

Ironically, the man you list as the most brilliant on my list, has the
greatest number of references
to his poor speaking ability:

"A poor speaker, Jefferson's written work impressed the Assembly,
despite
some reservations."
http://www.homeofheroes.com/profiles...jeffadams.html

"Jefferson was a poor speaker, but his literary talents made him a
highly
valued member of committees when resolutions and other public papers
were
drafted. "
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...Jefferson.html

"Historian Carl Becker once speculated that that was one reason
Jefferson
was such a poor speaker..."
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/...s/mckenna.html

I'd keep going, but google returned almost 200 hits with "poor
speaker"
and
"Thomas Jefferson" in the search engine.



Truman
was definitely NOT a poor speaker, else why would his "whistle stop"
campaign tour produce such good results?

Wrong again.

"In contrast to FDR, Harry Truman never managed to improve his poor
speaking
ability. He relied on teleprompters and had difficulty navigating the
text
of a prepared speech. Truman fared better when speaking
extemporaneously,
but his generally flawed communication consigned him to low public
approval
rating (20-30 percent) for a significant portion of his presidential
career."


http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/leadershi...residents.html



Taft? You gotta be kidding. I have no doubt he was an intelligent
man,
but "one of the most brilliant"??? And what is the evidence that he
was
a notably poor speaker?

Since you don't consider him a brilliant man, we needn't address him.


Madison could be considered brilliant if he weren't standing in the
same
room with either Jefferson or Franklin (or for that matter,
Hamilton,
or
for that matter, Burr).

Are you kidding?

"his political achievements and intellectual legacy are monumental.
Revered
as the "Father of the Constitution," Madison was also architect of the
"Virginia plan"; one of the two principal authors of The Federalist;
leader
of the inaugural House of Representatives; reluctant champion of the
Bill of
Rights; cofounder of the Republican Party, Washington's ghostwriter;
Jefferson's Secretary of State; and president and commander-in-chief
during
America's second war of Independence. "
http://tinyurl.com/3fgts


But again, whence comes any intimation that he
was a poor speaker?

Whence?

"Hardly an imposing figure, Madison was barely five-feet-six-inches
tall,
pale complected, a poor speaker"
http://tinyurl.com/3fgts








Sorry, Nobby, no cigar. Not even close.

Then you're blind...or ignorant...or just plain being an ass.

Are you saying that just because Jefferson was a poor speaker, that he
wasn't VERY intelligent??

No, you idiot. I've stated that many historically "poor speakers" were
brilliant men...which is why you shouldn't judge someone's intelligence
based solely on his ability (or lack of ability) to speak in public.