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In article ,
says...



A fond farewell salute.

Having grown up in the 50's and having survived the 60's

and



70's,
Ronald



Reagan made me proud again to be an American.

A lot more benign than the current idiot in chief but no

less



costly
to



the US.

Iran-Contra
Bank deregulation and bailout

He was a nice pig and a good speaker.


You truly have no class.

So, do you think that, because he's dead, that all of the ills

that he



caused this country should be forgotten, or forgiven?

As Gould pointed out, social decorum usually dictates that

people



avoid



attacking the recently deceased at least until the body is
cold.

But I



don't expect you to understand either...since you, too, have no

class.



This from a person that has NO compassion for human life, has

stated



more than once that we should nuke several countries, the result

being



the lives of millions of people.....

Actually, I advocated nuking strategic cities in several
countries.

Not



on



a whim, mind you. We should tell the Islamic fundamentalists
that

should an



American city be attacked by terrorists, a city of equal size in
a

Middle



Eastern country will be immediately leveled by a nuclear weapon.

If

the



terrorists hit Chicago (pop. approx. 3 million), then Riyadh
(pop.

approx.



3.5 million) gets leveled. If NYC gets hit (pop. 8 million),
then

Tehran is



a goner.


Sometimes taking lives will save many more over the long run.
Most
countries in the Middle East have a higher population of anti-US

citizens



than pro-US citizens...making those people our enemy in this
fight

against



terrorism. I'd trade 10,000 of their lives for one American life

any



day of



the week. If they had nukes, they'd have used 'em on us already.

Keep



that



in mind...since it's their ultimate goal.

I LIKE it, you're learning something! IF they had nukes???!!!
IF they had the ability to use them on us.
IF N.Y. city "gets hit".
IF Chicago gets hit

So, you think that it would be a prudent act to go implode

Implode?




every
country that has an axe to grind with us?

No. I told you what I think. You have reading comprehesion

problems.




A life is a life. If you
kill a child in another country, then you are no better than
someone
who kills a child in this country.

I guess that depends. It seems that the kids in those other

countries

have



no problem strapping explosives to themselves and blowing up
Israeli
soldiers.

And neither to kids here, NOYB. It's called The U.S. Army.


When a kid picks up a gun, or straps bombs to his back with the
intent

to


kill and/or maim, he's no longer a "kid". He's now become a
"target".




Poor logic on your part, fella. If your country is invaded, and it
offends you and you see a soldier of the occupying army, I suppose he
has become a target, eh?

Try harder.


Read back a little ways. I specifically mentioned kids strapping bombs

on

their backs to kill Israeli soldiers. Are you justifying the
Palestinian
attacks on Israel because the Palestinian's country was invaded?





Not at all. There is no "Palestine."


That's why I wrote "Palestinian's country". *What* they call it is not
important. The fact of the matter is that *they* think they have a
country
which is being occupied by Israel.

So...
Are the Palestinian kids justified in strapping bombs to their backs to
oust
the Israeli "occupiers"?







Warmaking is not so neat and clean.

Glad you finally realized that. And the death toll of both civilians and
coalition troops is amazingly low in Iraq.

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In article ,
says...



A fond farewell salute.

Having grown up in the 50's and having survived the 60's

and



70's,
Ronald



Reagan made me proud again to be an American.

A lot more benign than the current idiot in chief but no

less



costly
to



the US.

Iran-Contra
Bank deregulation and bailout

He was a nice pig and a good speaker.


You truly have no class.

So, do you think that, because he's dead, that all of the ills

that he



caused this country should be forgotten, or forgiven?

As Gould pointed out, social decorum usually dictates that

people



avoid



attacking the recently deceased at least until the body is
cold.

But I



don't expect you to understand either...since you, too, have no

class.



This from a person that has NO compassion for human life, has

stated



more than once that we should nuke several countries, the result

being



the lives of millions of people.....

Actually, I advocated nuking strategic cities in several
countries.

Not



on



a whim, mind you. We should tell the Islamic fundamentalists
that

should an



American city be attacked by terrorists, a city of equal size in
a

Middle



Eastern country will be immediately leveled by a nuclear weapon.

If

the



terrorists hit Chicago (pop. approx. 3 million), then Riyadh
(pop.

approx.



3.5 million) gets leveled. If NYC gets hit (pop. 8 million),
then

Tehran is



a goner.


Sometimes taking lives will save many more over the long run.
Most
countries in the Middle East have a higher population of anti-US

citizens



than pro-US citizens...making those people our enemy in this
fight

against



terrorism. I'd trade 10,000 of their lives for one American life

any



day of



the week. If they had nukes, they'd have used 'em on us already.

Keep



that



in mind...since it's their ultimate goal.

I LIKE it, you're learning something! IF they had nukes???!!!
IF they had the ability to use them on us.
IF N.Y. city "gets hit".
IF Chicago gets hit

So, you think that it would be a prudent act to go implode

Implode?




every
country that has an axe to grind with us?

No. I told you what I think. You have reading comprehesion

problems.




A life is a life. If you
kill a child in another country, then you are no better than
someone
who kills a child in this country.

I guess that depends. It seems that the kids in those other

countries

have



no problem strapping explosives to themselves and blowing up
Israeli
soldiers.

And neither to kids here, NOYB. It's called The U.S. Army.


When a kid picks up a gun, or straps bombs to his back with the
intent

to


kill and/or maim, he's no longer a "kid". He's now become a
"target".




Poor logic on your part, fella. If your country is invaded, and it
offends you and you see a soldier of the occupying army, I suppose he
has become a target, eh?

Try harder.


Read back a little ways. I specifically mentioned kids strapping bombs

on

their backs to kill Israeli soldiers. Are you justifying the
Palestinian
attacks on Israel because the Palestinian's country was invaded?





Not at all. There is no "Palestine."


That's why I wrote "Palestinian's country". *What* they call it is not
important. The fact of the matter is that *they* think they have a
country
which is being occupied by Israel.

So...
Are the Palestinian kids justified in strapping bombs to their backs to
oust
the Israeli "occupiers"?





It depends. The so-called Palestinians believe some of what they occupy
is their country, and it may turn out that way someday. If the bomb
carriers consider themselves freedom fighters, and restrict their
attacks to strictly military targers, then the whole matter gets a bit
hazy.

Warmaking is not so neat and clean. We've killed thousands of
non-combatant Iraqis and Afghanis recently,

I'm not sure about that. It seems that most of the innocent Iraqis and
Afghanis who are dying, are dying at the hands of terrorist bombs...or at
least from terrorists hiding among civilian populations (ie--weddings at
safe-houses in the middle of the desert; terrorists hiding in their mosques
and near their schools and hospitals).


and we torture prisoners.

Once again, that needs clarification. Stripping prisoners naked and
humiliating them in order to break their will is not "torture" IMO. In fact
any psy-ops technique is not "torture". To me, torture is a physical act
that results (or could result) in physical pain, a lasting physical
deformity, and/or death.

When you say "we", I assume you mean our government and our military in
general? Well, then "we" don't "torture" prisoners. A few bad apples in
our military "tortured" prisoners.


We
no longer occupy the moral high ground.

Sure "we" do. You need to stop beating yourself up with all of this "we"
stuff.

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:00:53 +0000, NOYB wrote:

Once again, that needs clarification. Stripping prisoners naked and
humiliating them in order to break their will is not "torture" IMO. In
fact any psy-ops technique is not "torture". To me, torture is a physical
act that results (or could result) in physical pain, a lasting physical
deformity, and/or death.

I would agree most of what we have "seen" is abuse and not torture. But
let's be clear, there were deaths that *could* have been the results of
torture.

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,...157003,00.html


When you say "we", I assume you mean our government and our military in
general? Well, then "we" don't "torture" prisoners. A few bad apples in
our military "tortured" prisoners.

Yeah, but . . . we have a *policy* of turning over suspects to third
countries that we *know* use torture. In any court of law, that is an
accessory before the fact and it would take more than a few bad apples.

http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/04/torture.htm

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/004282.html

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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:00:53 +0000, NOYB wrote:

Once again, that needs clarification. Stripping prisoners naked and
humiliating them in order to break their will is not "torture" IMO. In
fact any psy-ops technique is not "torture". To me, torture is a
physical
act that results (or could result) in physical pain, a lasting physical
deformity, and/or death.

I would agree most of what we have "seen" is abuse and not torture. But
let's be clear, there were deaths that *could* have been the results of
torture.

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,...157003,00.html


Agreed. But there was no general guidelines issued to GI's telling them to
do such a thing.



When you say "we", I assume you mean our government and our military in
general? Well, then "we" don't "torture" prisoners. A few bad apples
in
our military "tortured" prisoners.

Yeah, but . . . we have a *policy* of turning over suspects to third
countries that we *know* use torture. In any court of law, that is an
accessory before the fact and it would take more than a few bad apples.

http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/04/torture.htm

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/004282.html

You call it an "accessory before the fact". I call it a loophole.

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In article ,
says...
A fond farewell salute.

Having grown up in the 50's and having survived the 60's
and
70's,
Ronald
Reagan made me proud again to be an American.

A lot more benign than the current idiot in chief but no
less
costly
to
the US.

Iran-Contra
Bank deregulation and bailout

He was a nice pig and a good speaker.


You truly have no class.

So, do you think that, because he's dead, that all of the ills
that he
caused this country should be forgotten, or forgiven?

As Gould pointed out, social decorum usually dictates that
people
avoid
attacking the recently deceased at least until the body is cold.
But I
don't expect you to understand either...since you, too, have no
class.

This from a person that has NO compassion for human life, has
stated
more than once that we should nuke several countries, the result
being
the lives of millions of people.....

Actually, I advocated nuking strategic cities in several countries.
Not
on
a whim, mind you. We should tell the Islamic fundamentalists that
should an
American city be attacked by terrorists, a city of equal size in a
Middle
Eastern country will be immediately leveled by a nuclear weapon. If
the
terrorists hit Chicago (pop. approx. 3 million), then Riyadh (pop.
approx.
3.5 million) gets leveled. If NYC gets hit (pop. 8 million), then
Tehran is
a goner.


Sometimes taking lives will save many more over the long run. Most
countries in the Middle East have a higher population of anti-US
citizens
than pro-US citizens...making those people our enemy in this fight
against
terrorism. I'd trade 10,000 of their lives for one American life
any
day of
the week. If they had nukes, they'd have used 'em on us already.
Keep
that
in mind...since it's their ultimate goal.

I LIKE it, you're learning something! IF they had nukes???!!!
IF they had the ability to use them on us.
IF N.Y. city "gets hit".
IF Chicago gets hit

So, you think that it would be a prudent act to go implode

Implode?

every
country that has an axe to grind with us?

No. I told you what I think. You have reading comprehesion problems.


A life is a life. If you
kill a child in another country, then you are no better than someone
who kills a child in this country.

I guess that depends. It seems that the kids in those other countries
have
no problem strapping explosives to themselves and blowing up Israeli
soldiers.

And neither to kids here, NOYB. It's called The U.S. Army.

When a kid picks up a gun, or straps bombs to his back with the intent to
kill and/or maim, he's no longer a "kid". He's now become a "target".

There's that compassion of a healer.

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In article
,
says...
A fond farewell salute.

Having grown up in the 50's and having survived the
60's
and
70's,
Ronald
Reagan made me proud again to be an American.

A lot more benign than the current idiot in chief but
no
less
costly
to
the US.

Iran-Contra
Bank deregulation and bailout

He was a nice pig and a good speaker.


You truly have no class.

So, do you think that, because he's dead, that all of the
ills
that he
caused this country should be forgotten, or forgiven?

As Gould pointed out, social decorum usually dictates that
people
avoid
attacking the recently deceased at least until the body is
cold.
But I
don't expect you to understand either...since you, too, have
no
class.

This from a person that has NO compassion for human life, has
stated
more than once that we should nuke several countries, the
result
being
the lives of millions of people.....

Actually, I advocated nuking strategic cities in several
countries.
Not
on
a whim, mind you. We should tell the Islamic fundamentalists
that
should an
American city be attacked by terrorists, a city of equal size in
a
Middle
Eastern country will be immediately leveled by a nuclear weapon.
If
the
terrorists hit Chicago (pop. approx. 3 million), then Riyadh
(pop.
approx.
3.5 million) gets leveled. If NYC gets hit (pop. 8 million),
then
Tehran is
a goner.


Sometimes taking lives will save many more over the long run.
Most
countries in the Middle East have a higher population of anti-US
citizens
than pro-US citizens...making those people our enemy in this
fight
against
terrorism. I'd trade 10,000 of their lives for one American
life
any
day of
the week. If they had nukes, they'd have used 'em on us
already.
Keep
that
in mind...since it's their ultimate goal.

I LIKE it, you're learning something! IF they had nukes???!!!
IF they had the ability to use them on us.
IF N.Y. city "gets hit".
IF Chicago gets hit

So, you think that it would be a prudent act to go implode

Implode?

every
country that has an axe to grind with us?

No. I told you what I think. You have reading comprehesion
problems.


A life is a life. If you
kill a child in another country, then you are no better than
someone
who kills a child in this country.

I guess that depends. It seems that the kids in those other
countries
have
no problem strapping explosives to themselves and blowing up Israeli
soldiers.

And neither to kids here, NOYB. It's called The U.S. Army.

When a kid picks up a gun, or straps bombs to his back with the intent
to
kill and/or maim, he's no longer a "kid". He's now become a "target".

There's that compassion of a healer.

Sorry, but my natural instinct of self-preservation trumps any other
emotions that I might have.

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Should I look you up, JoeTechnician?
I've got your last name from a previousl post......

Bull**** you did.

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Should I look you up, JoeTechnician?
I've got your last name from a previousl post......

Bull**** you did.

Been around Ruskin, or Lake Padgett lately, Mr. Hall?

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Should I look you up, JoeTechnician?
I've got your last name from a previousl post......

Bull**** you did.

Been around Ruskin, or Lake Padgett lately, Mr. Hall?

Mr. Hall?

Boy are you an idiot.
If you take a closer look at the referenced post (posted by my nephew, not
my son) it closes with "PS: **** John Hall".

John Hall is the owner of Rickenbacker guitars.

Jim Kerry and the Ambulance Chaser will reverse all that.