"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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You can debate the intentions of the proposal all you want, but the fact
is
fast-food jobs are *not* considered manufacturing jobs.

You're as dishonest as Harry, just smoother in your delivery.


Interesting. So, do you then feel that the document titled "President's
Economic Report" and that stated fast food jobs were a form of
manufacturing
was some sort of
liberal hoax?

Yes.

Do you deny such a document exists?

A document in which the president states that "fast food jobs were a form of
manufacturing"?
Yes I do deny it.


Do you deny that it stated fast food jobs were to be considered
"manufacturing"?

Yes.


What portion of my statement, "including fast food workers in the
manufacturing
sector skews the statistics" do you find dishonest?

The part where you said they "were" included.


President Bush directly stated that his administration intended to include
burger flippers and sandwich wrappers in the totals for "manufacturing
jobs".


He, nor anyone from his administration has ever said this.
From the CBS link you provided-
"The report does not recommend that burger-flippers be counted alongside
factory workers."
Instead, it concludes that the fuzziness of the manufacturing definition is
problematic, because policies — like, for example, a tax credit for
manufacturers — may miss their target if the definition is overly broad or
narrow.

Has he changed his mind?

How can he change his mind on something he never said?

If not, we're back to my original "swerve" that those "mfg jobs" aren't
included yet they will be in the future.

Yes, we're back to *your* lie.

Joe wrote:

Yes, we're back to *your* lie.

Lie?

I asume that you are prepared to make the same "liar" charge against Gregory
Mankiw, (Chairman of the President's Economic Advisors) who has publicly stated
that switching burger flipping to a manufacturing job is an "important
consideratin" of the Bush economic recovery plan?

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According to The New York Times, the idea of reclassifying fast-food
restaurants as manufacturers is buried in 417 pages of statistics included in
the new report. But Gregory Mankiw, chairman of the president's Council of
Economic Advisers, is certainly not shying away from this plan. In a speech
last week to economists in Washington, Mankiw said that classifying hamburger
flippers as manufacturers is "an important consideration" for the
administration's economic policy.

(From the Macomb Daily, 2-29-2004)
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:

Yes, we're back to *your* lie.

Lie?

I asume that you are prepared to make the same "liar" charge against
Gregory
Mankiw, (Chairman of the President's Economic Advisors) who has publicly
stated
that switching burger flipping to a manufacturing job is an "important
consideratin" of the Bush economic recovery plan?

*******************


According to The New York Times, the idea of reclassifying fast-food
restaurants as manufacturers is buried in 417 pages of statistics included
in
the new report. But Gregory Mankiw, chairman of the president's Council of
Economic Advisers, is certainly not shying away from this plan. In a
speech
last week to economists in Washington, Mankiw said that classifying
hamburger
flippers as manufacturers is "an important consideration" for the
administration's economic policy.

(From the Macomb Daily, 2-29-2004)
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Why not go back and address each (snipped) question that I answered, in
order, and then I'll answer this one?

Why not go back and address each (snipped) question that I answered, in
order, and then I'll answer this one?

Because you are the party that has abandoned discourse in favor of name
calling.

You want to holler "liar", then it should be easy enough for you to post the
list of occupations included in the "manufacturing jobs" portion of the report
and establish that Bush did not follow through with his own, announced,
intention and "important consideration" of including fast food workers in the
mfg job category.

I don't have such a list either. I was simply relying on the President's recent
assertions, (in the President's Economic Report) that burger flippers belong in
the manufacturing category. Guess that's what happens when you believe the
president.

Why is it so many of you guys over there think that hollering "liar" or
"traitor" when you hear something you disagree with is some sort of substitute
for reasoned discussion?

I hope that Bush did not put the burger flippers in the mfg category. All I
know for a fact is that he said earlier this year that the burger flippers
*should* be included, members of his administration have since defended that
position, and then lo an behold, a few months before the election,
manufacturing jobs enjoy this whalloping increase.

If someone will produce evidence that Bush changed his mind about burger
flipping being a "manufacturing job" or post a list of the occupations included
in the "manufacturing jobs" category in the report NOYB mentioned, I would be
willing to concede an error in assuming that Bush followed through with his
announced plan.

In the mean time, aside from playground-level insults and unsupported denials
from Bush supporters, we have no evidence that the fast food workers were *not*
factored in to Mickey up the numbers.