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Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy
News Flash...
Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! Jim |
"Jim Carter" wrote in message ... News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! Jim I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an indictment of a ham sandwich? This indictment will not stand the light of day. |
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an indictment of a ham sandwich? This indictment will not stand the light of day. What does a "ham sandwich" got to do with story and who other than you would think that thought? I never said that Tom DeLay was guilty, I said he was charged with count of criminal conspiracy. Jim |
Bert Robbins wrote: "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! Jim I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an indictment of a ham sandwich? This indictment will not stand the light of day. That's odd. The right wingers here constantly find politicians instantly guilty of crimes that haven't been given due process. What was Ted Kennedy found guilty of in the death of Mary Jo? |
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:04:08 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:
I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an indictment of a ham sandwich? This indictment will not stand the light of day. Keep that thought. You are going to need it. The Plame indictments are expected to come down next month. So, who do you think is next? Libby? Rove? Bush? Then there is the Frist investigation . . . |
wrote in message oups.com... Bert Robbins wrote: "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! Jim I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an indictment of a ham sandwich? This indictment will not stand the light of day. That's odd. The right wingers here constantly find politicians instantly guilty of crimes that haven't been given due process. What was Ted Kennedy found guilty of in the death of Mary Jo? Found guilty of having enough power and money to walk free. |
"Red Cloud©" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:04:08 -0400, "Bert Robbins" wrote: "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! Jim I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Incorrect, but a very common and oft repeated misconception among the illiterate. Really? Care to explain? |
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:04:08 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an indictment of a ham sandwich? This indictment will not stand the light of day. Keep that thought. You are going to need it. The Plame indictments are expected to come down next month. So, who do you think is next? Libby? Rove? Bush? Plame was not covert the time and had not been covert for more than five years. I believe that it will be Plame's husband the honorable acting Ambassador that leaked her previous status to the media. Miller is protecting someone other than Rove or Libby. Then there is the Frist investigation . . . Frist is an idiot and the Republicans in the Senate will do better without him. |
Bert Robbins wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:04:08 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an indictment of a ham sandwich? This indictment will not stand the light of day. Keep that thought. You are going to need it. The Plame indictments are expected to come down next month. So, who do you think is next? Libby? Rove? Bush? Plame was not covert the time and had not been covert for more than five years. I believe that it will be Plame's husband the honorable acting Ambassador that leaked her previous status to the media. Miller is protecting someone other than Rove or Libby. Agreed. I am still asking, "Indictments for what?" Then there is the Frist investigation . . . Frist is an idiot and the Republicans in the Senate will do better without him. Delay is bigger idiot. He has become the epitome of an insider that detatched himself from reality. To wit, the recent stupidassed statements he made about budget changes being looked at for hurricane rebuilding. |
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"Skipper" wrote in message ... -- Skipper Oh oh. How could we post at the same time Skipper. Chucky said I am you. |
Harry Krause wrote:
Jim Carter wrote: News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! What a delight. The Dems invented political assassination in this country during the Vietnam War and later against Nixon. I have little doubt you are delighted with this malicious prosecution. Worst US Presidents; LBJ (the Great Society & poor war leadership), Carter (Iran, stagflation, gas lines, the canal, etc., etc., etc.), Truman (Korea), Hoover (Great Depression). -- Skipper |
"Skipper" wrote in message ... Harry Krause wrote: Jim Carter wrote: News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! What a delight. The Dems invented political assassination in this country during the Vietnam War and later against Nixon. I have little doubt you are delighted with this malicious prosecution. Worst US Presidents; LBJ (the Great Society & poor war leadership), Carter (Iran, stagflation, gas lines, the canal, etc., etc., etc.), Truman (Korea), Hoover (Great Depression). FDR........Social security pyramid scheme. -- Skipper |
Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Bert Robbins wrote: "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! Jim I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an indictment of a ham sandwich? This indictment will not stand the light of day. That's odd. The right wingers here constantly find politicians instantly guilty of crimes that haven't been given due process. What was Ted Kennedy found guilty of in the death of Mary Jo? Found guilty of having enough power and money to walk free. Idiot. |
Around 9/28/2005 9:49 AM, Jim Carter wrote:
News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! Not much of a news flash... It was only a matter of time. -- ~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat" "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." -Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows |
wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Bert Robbins wrote: "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! Jim I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an indictment of a ham sandwich? This indictment will not stand the light of day. That's odd. The right wingers here constantly find politicians instantly guilty of crimes that haven't been given due process. What was Ted Kennedy found guilty of in the death of Mary Jo? Found guilty of having enough power and money to walk free. Idiot. Didn't you *just* post this Kevin? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Has anybody else noticed how the right wingers here are acting more and more childish and shrill every day? Fritz used to the exclusive name calling, childish, petty, offensive, shrill little **** of a man, but the others here are joining his ranks quickly. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Time to get some help dude. You are close to falling over the edge. |
You really should read up on US and world History. Political
assassination has been around since there have been governments. Have you ever read about the history of Rome? Try reading about what Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and other great Americans went through in the press. The tools have improved. The motivation has stayed the same. |
"Tamaroak" wrote in message ... Well, I'll say he's guilty; he's another right-wing chickenhawk scumball bushie that should have been brought up for his tactics long ago. Capt. jeff Did you read the indictment report Capt? If so, what specifically in it helped you make that decision? If not, how can you make that statement? |
Let's hope that the facts that come out during trial are enough to
convince a jury. Given the low quality of what passes for thinking nowadays, it is entirely possible that he'll walk. OJ Simpson was found not guilty in his criminal trial. Delay has a pretty good shot at getting off, unfortunately. |
" wrote in message oups.com... Let's hope that the facts that come out during trial are enough to convince a jury. Given the low quality of what passes for thinking nowadays, it is entirely possible that he'll walk. OJ Simpson was found not guilty in his criminal trial. Delay has a pretty good shot at getting off, unfortunately. What facts do you know about this indictment? |
"Curtis CCR" wrote in message oups.com... Bert Robbins wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:04:08 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an indictment of a ham sandwich? This indictment will not stand the light of day. Keep that thought. You are going to need it. The Plame indictments are expected to come down next month. So, who do you think is next? Libby? Rove? Bush? Plame was not covert the time and had not been covert for more than five years. I believe that it will be Plame's husband the honorable acting Ambassador that leaked her previous status to the media. Miller is protecting someone other than Rove or Libby. Agreed. I am still asking, "Indictments for what?" Then there is the Frist investigation . . . Frist is an idiot and the Republicans in the Senate will do better without him. Delay is bigger idiot. He has become the epitome of an insider that detatched himself from reality. To wit, the recent stupidassed statements he made about budget changes being looked at for hurricane rebuilding. As I understand it the statement Delay made that all of the fat was cut out of the budget already was a shrewd attempt to get the Democrats to say yes there is fat in the budget to cut. This would open the entire federal budget to scrutiny. |
On 28 Sep 2005 12:37:44 -0700, "Curtis CCR" wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:04:08 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an indictment of a ham sandwich? This indictment will not stand the light of day. Keep that thought. You are going to need it. The Plame indictments are expected to come down next month. So, who do you think is next? Libby? Rove? Bush? Plame was not covert the time and had not been covert for more than five years. I believe that it will be Plame's husband the honorable acting Ambassador that leaked her previous status to the media. Miller is protecting someone other than Rove or Libby. Agreed. I am still asking, "Indictments for what?" Then there is the Frist investigation . . . Frist is an idiot and the Republicans in the Senate will do better without him. Delay is bigger idiot. He has become the epitome of an insider that detatched himself from reality. To wit, the recent stupidassed statements he made about budget changes being looked at for hurricane rebuilding. The indictment: http://news.findlaw.com/wp/docs/delay/delay92805ind.pdf -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
Well, I'll say he's guilty; he's another right-wing chickenhawk scumball
bushie that should have been brought up for his tactics long ago. Capt. jeff |
wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Bert Robbins wrote: "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! Jim I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an indictment of a ham sandwich? This indictment will not stand the light of day. That's odd. The right wingers here constantly find politicians instantly guilty of crimes that haven't been given due process. What was Ted Kennedy found guilty of in the death of Mary Jo? Found guilty of having enough power and money to walk free. Idiot. No, you are the idiot. He walked because of money and power. |
Heck, even Harry would admit that Kennedy walked because of his money and
power. If it was Joe 6Pick he would have been convicted of manslaughter. "Bill McKee" wrote in message k.net... wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Bert Robbins wrote: "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! Jim I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an indictment of a ham sandwich? This indictment will not stand the light of day. That's odd. The right wingers here constantly find politicians instantly guilty of crimes that haven't been given due process. What was Ted Kennedy found guilty of in the death of Mary Jo? Found guilty of having enough power and money to walk free. Idiot. No, you are the idiot. He walked because of money and power. |
"Bill McKee" wrote in message news:K2J_e.6528 Jim No, you are the idiot. He walked because of money and power. Are you telling me that the United States of America has a corrupt court system? Are you telling me that you believe that your court system can be bought out by money or power? If this is your belief, then don't you think that you and your fellow American Citizens should work towards correcting your own county's court before trying to change other countries systems? Jim |
"Starbuck" wrote in message ... Heck, even Harry would admit that Kennedy walked because of his money and power. If it was Joe 6Pick he would have been convicted of manslaughter. Wow !! Another believer that the American Courts are corrupt! Gee, don't you think that your government should try to correct their own systems before trying to change how other governments courts are run? Jim |
Money does talk, example Michael Jackson, O.J. Simpson, both guilty, both
had $$ and both walked free. Ed "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message news:K2J_e.6528 Jim No, you are the idiot. He walked because of money and power. Are you telling me that the United States of America has a corrupt court system? Are you telling me that you believe that your court system can be bought out by money or power? If this is your belief, then don't you think that you and your fellow American Citizens should work towards correcting your own county's court before trying to change other countries systems? Jim |
"ed" wrote in message ... Money does talk, example Michael Jackson, O.J. Simpson, both guilty, both had $$ and both walked free. Ed Another person agrees that the USA's justice system is corrupt and can be bought! Jim |
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:26:17 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:
Plame was not covert the time and had not been covert for more than five years. I wouldn't limit myself to the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, it may or may not apply, as I'm sure Fitzgerald isn't. Potential laws broken include the Espionage Act, remember Morison?, perjury, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy. I believe that it will be Plame's husband the honorable acting Ambassador that leaked her previous status to the media. Miller is protecting someone other than Rove or Libby. Then there is the Frist investigation . . . Frist is an idiot and the Republicans in the Senate will do better without him. |
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:37:44 -0700, Curtis CCR wrote:
Agreed. I am still asking, "Indictments for what?" Potentially the Espionage Act, perjury, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy, that's just of the top of a non-lawyer's head. I'm sure a prosecutor of Fitzgerald's caliber can think of a few more. This investigation has been going on for close to two years, that doesn't happen unless charges are expected. Oh, unless your name is Kenneth Starr. |
Well, I'll say he's guilty; he's another right-wing chickenhawk scumball
bushie that should have been brought up for his tactics long ago. Capt. jeff Thank YOU Jeff! Now we return to our regularly schedualed programming..... |
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wrote in message oups.com... 10. Sep 28, 3:48 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.boats From: - Find messages by this author Date: 28 Sep 2005 13:48:12 -0700 Local: Wed, Sep 28 2005 3:48 pm Subject: Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Bert Robbins wrote: "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! Jim I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an indictment of a ham sandwich? This indictment will not stand the light of day. That's odd. The right wingers here constantly find politicians instantly guilty of crimes that haven't been given due process. What was Ted Kennedy found guilty of in the death of Mary Jo? Found guilty of having enough power and money to walk free. Idiot. Guzzi-boy. Kevin? |
Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Bert Robbins wrote: "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! Jim I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an indictment of a ham sandwich? This indictment will not stand the light of day. That's odd. The right wingers here constantly find politicians instantly guilty of crimes that haven't been given due process. What was Ted Kennedy found guilty of in the death of Mary Jo? Found guilty of having enough power and money to walk free. Idiot. No, you are the idiot. He walked because of money and power. Idiot. |
Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Bert Robbins wrote: "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! Jim I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an indictment of a ham sandwich? This indictment will not stand the light of day. That's odd. The right wingers here constantly find politicians instantly guilty of crimes that haven't been given due process. What was Ted Kennedy found guilty of in the death of Mary Jo? Found guilty of having enough power and money to walk free. Idiot. No, you are the idiot. He walked because of money and power. You dumb ****, he was CONVICTED of leaving the scene of an accident. If he "walked because of money and power", I take it by that you think he should have been convicted of murder, correct? IF the court system in the U.S. is that corrupt, do you not think that it would be even easier to do away with the leaving the scene of an accident charge??? |
You might want to rethink that statement, which is a lesser charge walking
away or murder? Money DOES Talk. wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Bert Robbins wrote: "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! Jim I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an indictment of a ham sandwich? This indictment will not stand the light of day. That's odd. The right wingers here constantly find politicians instantly guilty of crimes that haven't been given due process. What was Ted Kennedy found guilty of in the death of Mary Jo? Found guilty of having enough power and money to walk free. Idiot. No, you are the idiot. He walked because of money and power. You dumb ****, he was CONVICTED of leaving the scene of an accident. If he "walked because of money and power", I take it by that you think he should have been convicted of murder, correct? IF the court system in the U.S. is that corrupt, do you not think that it would be even easier to do away with the leaving the scene of an accident charge??? |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Jim Carter wrote: News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! Jim What a delight. Of course, the right-wing trash said he'd never be delighted. Now I am sure they will say he will never be convicted. Does that make me "right wing trash" if I also believe that he won't be convicted. There was a loophole in the Texas law that Delay and co. took advantage. IF it's a loophole it's not illegal just irregular to unethical. That's politics, just as this charge is politics because Earl knows that he can't get a conviction. Is that also unethical???? |
"Tamaroak" wrote in message ... Well, I'll say he's guilty; he's another right-wing chickenhawk scumball bushie that should have been brought up for his tactics long ago. Capt. jeff So what methods would you employ if you were in a state that was totally owned by one party (democrat). Everything was stacked against you and even people of the opposite party that thought like you were being persecuted by the "machine". I've said this over and over, our government can not work if one party holds the reigns of power too tightly. Personally I think that the system is NOW working. While I won't enjoy Delay being on the carpet I think that opposition is working as there is now a two party system, at least at the state level. |
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:47:50 -0400, Jeff Rigby wrote:
Does that make me "right wing trash" if I also believe that he won't be convicted. There was a loophole in the Texas law that Delay and co. took advantage. IF it's a loophole it's not illegal just irregular to unethical. That's politics, just as this charge is politics because Earl knows that he can't get a conviction. Is that also unethical???? Consider it may only be Round 1. DeLay is also likely to be investigated in regards to the Abramoff probe. That's Federal. |
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