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"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Jim Carter wrote: News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! Jim What a delight. Of course, the right-wing trash said he'd never be delighted. Now I am sure they will say he will never be convicted. Does that make me "right wing trash" if I also believe that he won't be convicted. There was a loophole in the Texas law that Delay and co. took advantage. IF it's a loophole it's not illegal just irregular to unethical. That's politics, just as this charge is politics because Earl knows that he can't get a conviction. Is that also unethical???? Former DOJ official Barbara Comstock's legal analysis: Ronnie Earle argues that Tom DeLay conspired to make a contribution to a political party in violation of the Texas Election Code. There was no contribution to a political party in violation of the Texas Election Code. There was no conspiracy. Ronnie Earle is wrong on the facts. Ronnie Earle is wrong on the law. According to the indictment, the conspiracy was to unlawfully make a political contribution of corporate funds to a political party within 60 days of an election. The Texas Election Code clearly states that "A corporation or labor organization may not knowingly make a contribution [to a political party] during a period beginning on the 60th day before the date of a general election for state and county officers and continuing through the day of the election." Title 15, Texas Election Code, § 253.104. Texas law also states in part that "A person commits criminal conspiracy if, with intent that a felony be committed: (1) he agrees with one or more persons that they or one or more of them engage in conduct that would constitute the offense; and (2) he or one or more of them performs an overt act in pursuance of the agreement." The Problems with Earle's case: In an effort to contrive jurisdiction over DeLay, Earle charges that because Congressman DeLay may have known about the transaction before it occurred, he was then part of a conspiracy. However, Earle's office has sworn testimony and other exculpatory evidence showing that Congressman DeLay did not have knowledge of the transaction. In addition: No corporation or labor organization was indicted in this conspiracy. Neither Jim Ellis nor John Colyandro is a corporation or labor organization. No corporation or labor organization made a contribution during 60 days of an election. What constitutes a contribution under the Texas Election Code is not strictly defined. Neither the RNC nor RNSEC constitute a political party under Texas election law. They are considered PACs, just as the DNC is. Corporations in Texas could have legally made contributions to the RNC or RNSEC during the period in question under Texas election law. There was no violation of the Texas Election Code. There was no conspiracy. The underlying transaction was legal. Had corporations sent money directly to the RNC or RNSEC, the transaction would be legal. How could anyone conspire to do indirectly what could legally have been done directly? Comstock adds: Ronnie Earle has a history of using his office for attacks on his political and personal enemies. ·"The Travis County, Texas, prosecutor investigating Mr. DeLay has a history of using his office for partisan ends."(Congressional prerogative, The Washington Times, November 19, 2004) ·Earle has demonstrated a past zeal for indicting conservative figures and even liberals with whom he has personal or professional disagreements. (Target: DeLay, National Review, April 11, 2005) Earle's partisan prosecutions - which have frequently failed - are designed for political harm, not legal harm. Earle is the same partisan prosecutor who politically indicted and failed to convict: Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison Conservative Democrat Bob Bullock (when he was Comptroller - later he was Lt. Governor) Democrat Attorney General Jim Mattox Ronnie Earle's three year political vendetta against Rep. DeLay has been marked by: Illegal grand jury leaks, A fundraising speech by Earle for the Texas Democrat party that inappropriately focused on the investigation, Misuse of his office for partisan purposes, and Extortion of money for Earle's pet projects from corporations in exchange for dismissing indictments he brought against them. Ronnie Earle has been frequently criticized for his methods: The Dallas Morning News criticized Earle in the Hutchison case: "the impression of partisan unfairness has certainly been reinforced by the leaks and public comment about Hutchison's case from the District Attorney's office throughout the summer. That the Grand Jury investigation has been conducted with so much fanfare such as the tip-offs to the new media when key records were seized from the former treasurer's office has added a darker tone to the cloudy proceedings." (Hutchison Probe; Fair and Speedy trial is essential, The Dallas Morning News, September 28, 1993) The Houston Chronicle called into question Earle's impartiality and judgment: "The fact that Earle refuses to recognize his blunder and would do it again calls into question whether he has the necessary impartiality and judgment to conduct the investigation that to a great extent will determine whether Texas election campaigns will be financed and perhaps determined by corporations or by individuals." (Self-inflicted wound; District attorney's poor judgment in speaking at a Democratic fund-raiser provides an unintended boost for DeLay's defenders., The Houston Chronicle, May 20, 2005) |
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! Jim I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? And your point is??? Bert didn't say he was guilty, just that he has been charged, it's now up to court of law to decide. |
"Jim Carter" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message news:K2J_e.6528 Jim No, you are the idiot. He walked because of money and power. Are you telling me that the United States of America has a corrupt court system? Are you telling me that you believe that your court system can be bought out by money or power? If this is your belief, then don't you think that you and your fellow American Citizens should work towards correcting your own county's court before trying to change other countries systems? Jim Not corrupt courts. The case never got to a court. And if you do not think that money and power and people you know do not impact indictments, I have a bridge I will be willing to sell you. And money and being famous does help smooth the way in lots if things, crime included. Ask OJ. |
wrote in message oups.com... Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Bert Robbins wrote: "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! Jim I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an indictment of a ham sandwich? This indictment will not stand the light of day. That's odd. The right wingers here constantly find politicians instantly guilty of crimes that haven't been given due process. What was Ted Kennedy found guilty of in the death of Mary Jo? Found guilty of having enough power and money to walk free. Idiot. No, you are the idiot. He walked because of money and power. Idiot. Why did he walk, GuzziBoy? |
wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Bert Robbins wrote: "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! Jim I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an indictment of a ham sandwich? This indictment will not stand the light of day. That's odd. The right wingers here constantly find politicians instantly guilty of crimes that haven't been given due process. What was Ted Kennedy found guilty of in the death of Mary Jo? Found guilty of having enough power and money to walk free. Idiot. No, you are the idiot. He walked because of money and power. You dumb ****, he was CONVICTED of leaving the scene of an accident. If he "walked because of money and power", I take it by that you think he should have been convicted of murder, correct? IF the court system in the U.S. is that corrupt, do you not think that it would be even easier to do away with the leaving the scene of an accident charge??? Minor charge. Cost more for the lawyer than the fine. And manslaughter would have derailed his career permanently. |
Let's not forget T.Cullen Davis, the Texas oil millionaire.
ed wrote: Money does talk, example Michael Jackson, O.J. Simpson, both guilty, both had $$ and both walked free. |
thunder wrote: On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:37:44 -0700, Curtis CCR wrote: Agreed. I am still asking, "Indictments for what?" Potentially the Espionage Act, perjury, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy, that's just of the top of a non-lawyer's head. I'm sure a prosecutor of Fitzgerald's caliber can think of a few more. This investigation has been going on for close to two years, that doesn't happen unless charges are expected. Oh, unless your name is Kenneth Starr. Then I am thinking "conspiracy to commit what?" I think some charges may fall out of this. But I am expecting that the names on the indictments won't be the ones everyone is expecting (or wishing for). |
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 29 Sep 2005 15:56:13 -0700, "Curtis CCR" wrote: thunder wrote: On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:37:44 -0700, Curtis CCR wrote: Agreed. I am still asking, "Indictments for what?" Potentially the Espionage Act, perjury, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy, that's just of the top of a non-lawyer's head. I'm sure a prosecutor of Fitzgerald's caliber can think of a few more. This investigation has been going on for close to two years, that doesn't happen unless charges are expected. Oh, unless your name is Kenneth Starr. Then I am thinking "conspiracy to commit what?" I think some charges may fall out of this. But I am expecting that the names on the indictments won't be the ones everyone is expecting (or wishing for). I suspect it isn't going anywhere and will be thrown out of court. My bad for not being clear. The "indictment" I am talking about has not materialized yet. We have gone off on a little tangent here - I am talking about "Plamegate" - - or whatever it's called. http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200509291814.asp |
"Jim Carter" wrote in message ... "ed" wrote in message ... Money does talk, example Michael Jackson, O.J. Simpson, both guilty, both had $$ and both walked free. Ed Another person agrees that the USA's justice system is corrupt and can be bought! Rather than snickering at the problem, why don't your put forth a solution? |
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:26:17 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Plame was not covert the time and had not been covert for more than five years. I wouldn't limit myself to the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, it may or may not apply, as I'm sure Fitzgerald isn't. Potential laws broken include the Espionage Act, remember Morison?, perjury, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy. Are you on the grand jury investigating this alledged crime? I believe that it will be Plame's husband the honorable acting Ambassador that leaked her previous status to the media. Miller is protecting someone other than Rove or Libby. Then there is the Frist investigation . . . Frist is an idiot and the Republicans in the Senate will do better without him. |
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:37:44 -0700, Curtis CCR wrote: Agreed. I am still asking, "Indictments for what?" Potentially the Espionage Act, perjury, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy, that's just of the top of a non-lawyer's head. I'm sure a prosecutor of Fitzgerald's caliber can think of a few more. This investigation has been going on for close to two years, that doesn't happen unless charges are expected. Oh, unless your name is Kenneth Starr. Or, you can't find any evidence that anyone did anything illegal. |
Are you going to see Earle's movie?
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"Jim Carter" wrote in message ... News Flash... Delay has been charged with criminal conspiracy!!!!!! Jim Delay said the DA was out to get republicans. A democratic radio host said that 11 of the 17 politicians prosecuted by the DA were democrats. Which one of these factoids is the truth? |
Delay said the DA was out to get republicans.
And that's not entirely out of the question; this is the era of the political full-court press. All partisan attack, all the time. It's devisive and destructive. If this type of campaigning had been invented back in the days of Sen. Joe McCarthy, the U.S. would have become a fascist dictatorship decades ago. Since the Republicans started it and are the most vigorous and least fact-driven in their practice of this, it's tempting to say 'let them reap what they sow.' But frankly I'd rather see the whole mess slow to a halt. Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: Earle is a yahoo and if the Democrats are pinning their hopes on this particular indictment for "getting" Delay, they are ****ing upwind. He has prosecuted Democrats for doing the same thing using a different statute under a misdemeanor concept. Then there is the movie of his "investigation". Its not going anywhere. When the Bush-Cheney Administration has the Supreme Court in it's pocket, was there any doubt? Please note that I'm not a Delay fan by any means - I think the guy is creepy and a double dealer. They just aren't going to get him this go 'round. They may not get him at all. Years ago, a DeLay fund-raiser made a telemarketing call to my home. He wanted to harangue me about how evil the Clintons are, and how I needed to send money to fight them (they got my name & phone # from the NRA membership rolls). I listened politiely while asking enough questions to pin down the origin of this call, then hung up on him (one of the few times I've been rude over the phone) and called Sen. Helms office. Delay got his ears pinned back, but he didn't learn. He is creepy, a crook, and the last person on this Earth who should have any political office or authority over free American citizens. His natural calling would be to work as a prison trusty. Doug King |
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:56:13 -0700, Curtis CCR wrote:
Then I am thinking "conspiracy to commit what?" I think some charges may fall out of this. But I am expecting that the names on the indictments won't be the ones everyone is expecting (or wishing for). This investigation seems professional without the leaks of past investigations, so it is difficult to say what, if any, charges will be filed. However, just speculating here, if the Plame leak was coordinated that could be a conspiracy. There have also been *rumors* that Fitzgerald may have expanded the investigation into the whole "yellowcake" fiasco. If that is the case, this could be quite large. Regardless, we should soon know. The Grand Jury term expires next month, and Miller has finally agreed to testify. http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wi...gion-apnewyork http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...072602069.html |
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:43:05 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Its not going anywhere. Please note that I'm not a Delay fan by any means - I think the guy is creepy and a double dealer. They just aren't going to get him this go 'round. Maybe, maybe not, but then there is Round 2. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...p_world _news |
"DSK" wrote in message . .. Delay said the DA was out to get republicans. And that's not entirely out of the question; this is the era of the political full-court press. All partisan attack, all the time. It's devisive and destructive. If this type of campaigning had been invented back in the days of Sen. Joe McCarthy, the U.S. would have become a fascist dictatorship decades ago. Since the Republicans started it and are the most vigorous and least fact-driven in their practice of this, it's tempting to say 'let them reap what they sow.' But frankly I'd rather see the whole mess slow to a halt. Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: Earle is a yahoo and if the Democrats are pinning their hopes on this particular indictment for "getting" Delay, they are ****ing upwind. He has prosecuted Democrats for doing the same thing using a different statute under a misdemeanor concept. Then there is the movie of his "investigation". Its not going anywhere. When the Bush-Cheney Administration has the Supreme Court in it's pocket, was there any doubt? Please note that I'm not a Delay fan by any means - I think the guy is creepy and a double dealer. They just aren't going to get him this go 'round. They may not get him at all. Years ago, a DeLay fund-raiser made a telemarketing call to my home. He wanted to harangue me about how evil the Clintons are, and how I needed to send money to fight them (they got my name & phone # from the NRA membership rolls). I listened politiely while asking enough questions to pin down the origin of this call, then hung up on him (one of the few times I've been rude over the phone) and called Sen. Helms office. Delay got his ears pinned back, but he didn't learn. He is creepy, a crook, and the last person on this Earth who should have any political office or authority over free American citizens. His natural calling would be to work as a prison trusty. Doug King The people of his congressional district have re-elected him 10 times! Your opinion really doesn't matter. |
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:56:13 -0700, Curtis CCR wrote: Then I am thinking "conspiracy to commit what?" I think some charges may fall out of this. But I am expecting that the names on the indictments won't be the ones everyone is expecting (or wishing for). This investigation seems professional without the leaks of past investigations, so it is difficult to say what, if any, charges will be filed. However, just speculating here, if the Plame leak was coordinated that could be a conspiracy. There have also been *rumors* that Fitzgerald may have expanded the investigation into the whole "yellowcake" fiasco. If that is the case, this could be quite large. Regardless, we should soon know. The Grand Jury term expires next month, and Miller has finally agreed to testify. http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wi...gion-apnewyork http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...072602069.html So, the good acting ambassador Joe Wilson could go to jail for defrauding the government, swilling whiskey when he was supposed to be working. And, for "outing" his wife a former, very former, CIA operative. Why has the good acting ambassador been so quite lately? Something is amiss! |
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:12:31 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:
The people of his congressional district have re-elected him 10 times! Your opinion really doesn't matter. It's doubtful there will be an eleventh. http://www.robertsilvey.com/notes/20...e_in_suga.html |
Bill McKee wrote: "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message news:K2J_e.6528 Jim No, you are the idiot. He walked because of money and power. Are you telling me that the United States of America has a corrupt court system? Are you telling me that you believe that your court system can be bought out by money or power? If this is your belief, then don't you think that you and your fellow American Citizens should work towards correcting your own county's court before trying to change other countries systems? Jim Not corrupt courts. The case never got to a court. Never got to court?????? Then answer this, how in the hell was he convicted of leaving the scene of an accident. Are you EVER correct about anything?? |
wrote in message oups.com... Bill McKee wrote: "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message news:K2J_e.6528 Jim No, you are the idiot. He walked because of money and power. Are you telling me that the United States of America has a corrupt court system? Are you telling me that you believe that your court system can be bought out by money or power? If this is your belief, then don't you think that you and your fellow American Citizens should work towards correcting your own county's court before trying to change other countries systems? Jim Not corrupt courts. The case never got to a court. Never got to court?????? Then answer this, how in the hell was he convicted of leaving the scene of an accident. Are you EVER correct about anything?? Very minor charge. Basically the manslaughter never got to court. What fine did he pay. $50? |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Bill McKee wrote: "Jim Carter" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message news:K2J_e.6528 Jim No, you are the idiot. He walked because of money and power. Are you telling me that the United States of America has a corrupt court system? Are you telling me that you believe that your court system can be bought out by money or power? If this is your belief, then don't you think that you and your fellow American Citizens should work towards correcting your own county's court before trying to change other countries systems? Jim Not corrupt courts. The case never got to a court. Never got to court?????? Then answer this, how in the hell was he convicted of leaving the scene of an accident. Are you EVER correct about anything?? Very minor charge. Basically the manslaughter never got to court. What fine did he pay. $50? Sad as Mary Jo's death was, Kennedy's death count pales in comparison to that of the idiot in the White House. -- Republicans: Incompetence. Indictments. Misguided policies. Misplaced priorities. Which Kennedy? |
On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 00:44:40 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...p_world _news http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200509301738.asp Ahh, but the Abramoff investigation is Federal. |
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