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"Starbuck" wrote in message ... Doug, It is unusual that you think Rush and company's standard of being fair and unbiased is one you should strive for. I personally find Rush and Company extremely biased nothing more than a propaganda machine, but then again, I do try to think for myself. I've never heard "Rush and crowd" make claims for being anything but conservative........the liebrals one the other hand, constantly deny what they are. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "PocoLoco" wrote in message ... Do the folks on Air America not define who is good and who is bad? Are they truly fair and balanced, Chuck? About as much as (or as little as) Limbaugh and his audience of retarded swine. |
Death Tax?? Nice talking point. Where did you learn that? From Rush
Scumbag? Hannity? Who? The "death tax" that the Republicans whine about is actually a capital gains tax on property that is being distributed to a person's heirs. The objective is to ensure that capital gains taxes are collected when assets are transferred to new owners. Why shouldn't the government collect capital gains taxes on estates that are in excess of a few million dollars? It isn't any different that the deceased selling the asset and paying capital gains taxes while they are still alive. If the asset transfers to new owners at death, why should this transaction be tax exempt? Estate taxes kick in when the estate value is in excess of several million dollars. I don't remember the cut off point, but it is so high that the percentage of estates that are actually affected is very small. Calling estate taxes "death taxes" make a cool sound bite that is easy to sell to those that are ignorant and incapable of critical thinking. The only people who benefit from the elimination of estate taxes are the very, very wealthy. The rest of get to pick up the tab for them. Any decent estate planner can arrange things so that the taxes are avoided anyway. Air America has some good shows and some not so good shows. Rush Scumbag, Sean Hannity, Michael Medved, and the rest of the right wing radio filth are so full of lies and deceptions that it is pathetic. Air America is a refreshing change to that crap. There used to be a very low limit as to the number of radio and TV stations could be owned by any one individual or corporation. It also didn't used to be possible to own all of the radio stations, or TV stations, or newspapers in a geographic region. The Republicans managed to remove these limitations. That is why Clear Channel has so many stations in so many markets. The ones in my area run Faux (Fox) Newsradio news. Their content is pathetic, just like their TV news is. Air America ROCKS!! |
" wrote in message oups.com... Death Tax?? Nice talking point. Where did you learn that? From Rush Scumbag? Hannity? Who? Yet another kool-aid drinking moonbat YAWN |
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Well, if you aren't the Skipper it must be "Smithers" ...... or is it possible that you and Smithers are one and the same? I thought you were Smithers. Using so many handles, you're getting confused? |
"OlBlueEyes" wrote in message ... " wrote in oups.com: Death Tax?? Nice talking point. Where did you learn that? From Rush Scumbag? Hannity? Who? The "death tax" that the Republicans whine about is actually a capital gains tax on property that is being distributed to a person's heirs. Incorrect. No "capital gains" are realized because no sale takes place (well, unless the heirs are FORCED to sell JUST TO PAY THE TAX). The objective is to ensure that capital gains taxes are collected when assets are transferred to new owners. There is no realized capital gain in such a transfer. Why shouldn't the government collect capital gains taxes on estates that are in excess of a few million dollars? Oh, I don't know, maybe because IT'S NOT THEIR ****ING MONEY. It isn't any different that the deceased selling the asset and paying capital gains taxes while they are still alive. Yes it is different, because THERE IS NO SALE. Estate taxes kick in when the estate value is in excess of several million dollars. I don't remember the cut off point, but it is so high that the percentage of estates that are actually affected is very small. So what? I'm not affect by it, but I'm against it. I don't know about you......but I sure hope that my daughter could one day be affected by it.....if you know what I mean ;-) That's because I have something called a VALUE SYSTEM. Apparently the only "value" you believe in is to **** over everybody else who you can - certain fringe groups of freaks excepted, I'm sure. |
AM Radio - famous for selling all sorts of silly medications to the elderly,
a la Paul Harvey. "Starbuck" wrote in message ... Doug, .... and your point is? Limbaugh and "Air America" are both political propaganda designed to bring an audience so they can sell advertising (I don't know what you mean by garlic pills). What was your point? "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Limbaugh has only one purpose: To sell advertising and garlic pills. You know that. Everything else is a script. "Starbuck" wrote in message ... Doug, It is unusual that you think Rush and company's standard of being fair and unbiased is one you should strive for. I personally find Rush and Company extremely biased nothing more than a propaganda machine, but then again, I do try to think for myself. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "PocoLoco" wrote in message ... Do the folks on Air America not define who is good and who is bad? Are they truly fair and balanced, Chuck? About as much as (or as little as) Limbaugh and his audience of retarded swine. |
A transfer of ownership does indeed take place. After a certain dollar
amount is excluded from taxes, the rest of the value is taxed. It is called progressive taxation. Is that hard to understand? There is a realized gain when the asset ownership transfers. The dead person used to own it. Now it is being transferred to a person who may or may not be related to the decedent. That person has realized a substantial gain. The concept isn't that hard to understand, is it? What's up with the taxes the government takes out of my paycheck? IT'S MY ****ING MONEY!!! Why do they take it from me? Please explain. If you give a $100,00.00 boat to a friend or family member they have to pay a sales tax on it, even if it was a gift. How is this is different from an estate tax? There was no sale, technically. Why is sales tax charged? Please explain. Your values are such that you think that it is OK for extremely wealthy people to hand down assets from generation to generation without ever having to pay taxes on the capital gains the assets have accrued? That is quite interesting... and sad, too. My values don't include ****ing over anybody. If anything, I am a ****ee, not a ****er. It is amazing that more than 1/2 my income (and probably yours, too) goes to pay taxes of all kinds (income, sales, fuel, telecomm, real estate, personal property, etc, etc). Sheeple like you buy into the idea that an estate tax is a bad idea. Learn some critical thinking skills. They appear to be lacking, at the moment. I would be delighted if income tax, estate taxes and all the other targeted taxes went away and a national sales tax WITH NO EXCLUSIONS was implemented. Those that consume a lot would pay a lot. Those that don't, don't pay as much. It will never happen as the wealthy would end up paying way more in taxes than they do now. Those that have the gold, make the rules, and they have been making the rules to their advantage for quite a while, now. As long as we let it happen, it will continue. The USA is supposed to be of the people, by the people, and for the people. Not just wealthy white male property owners. We started that way, but we got better. ;-) |
"OlBlueEyes" wrote in message ... " wrote in oups.com: A transfer of ownership does indeed take place. Not all "transfers of ownership" are sales. Maybe you're a stingy ******* and have never heard of the concept of "gifts". Do you want gifts taxed too? Oh yeah, they are already - it's called SALES tax because it occurs at the point of SALE. After a certain dollar amount is excluded from taxes, the rest of the value is taxed. It is called progressive taxation. Is that hard to understand? Progressive taxation is an entirely different concept from the death tax. There is a realized gain when the asset ownership transfers. The dead person used to own it. Now it is being transferred to a person who may or may not be related to the decedent. That person has realized a substantial gain. The concept isn't that hard to understand, is it? Obviously you don't know what the term "realized gain" means. If I buy a share of stock for $10 and next week it's worth $20 I DO NOT have a "realized gain" unless I SELL it, even though its value has appreciated. What's up with the taxes the government takes out of my paycheck? IT'S MY ****ING MONEY!!! Why do they take it from me? Please explain. I wish they didn't. That's the difference between you and me. If you give a $100,00.00 boat to a friend or family member they have to pay a sales tax on it, NO they do not. Your values are such that you think that it is OK for extremely wealthy people to hand down assets from generation to generation without ever having to pay taxes on the capital gains the assets have accrued? That is quite interesting... and sad, too. No, my values are such that the government didn't do anything to deserve stealing somebody else's money. It is very simple.........lets say that land that was originally purchased for $1000 is passed on death of the owner. The new owner's basis is still $1000, if he ever decided to sell, he pays capital gains on any gain, he he in turn passes it on to a third generation, the same holds until the property is sold. Cash would be transfered at a 0 basis, since any interest would have already been taxed. The only reason the liebrals want the death tax is for wealth redistribution. My values don't include ****ing over anybody. If anything, I am a ****ee, not a ****er. It is amazing that more than 1/2 my income (and probably yours, too) goes to pay taxes of all kinds (income, sales, fuel, telecomm, real estate, personal property, etc, etc). Sheeple like you buy into the idea that an estate tax is a bad idea. All those taxes are bad ideas. Every one of them. Why don't you try FIGHTING AGAINST a tax rather than FIGHTING FOR one? The USA is supposed to be of the people, by the people, and for the people. Not just wealthy white male property owners. I figured your argument would devolve into a racist sexist harangue. Surprised it happened this quickly. |
Not all "transfers of ownership" are sales. Maybe you're a stingy *******
and have never heard of the concept of "gifts". Do you want gifts taxed too? Oh yeah, they are already - it's called SALES tax because it occurs at the point of SALE. Gifts of money and/or valuable assets over a certain value ARE taxed. Is there a way around it? Progressive taxation is an entirely different concept from the death tax. Progressive taxation is one way of describing a graduated tax. Up to a certain point, taxes are none or very low. As the amount goes up so do the taxes. Obviously you don't know what the term "realized gain" means. If I buy a share of stock for $10 and next week it's worth $20 I DO NOT have a "realized gain" unless I SELL it, even though its value has appreciated. If you were to give the stock as a gift and the value was over a certain amount, tax would be due on the gift, even though no sale has taken place. Kinda sucks, but that's how it is. I wish they didn't. That's the difference between you and me. Here is a point we can both agree on. I wish they didn't as well. I would feel MUCH better about the tax burden I bear if it was evenly divided, but it isn't. In terms of percentage of income the poor don't pay much, the middle class pays a hell of a lot, and the wealthy hire tax lawyers weasel their way out of their fair share. The wealthy and corporations run the government nowadays, so they write the rules to their benefit. The middle class pays for the tax benefits enjoyed by the wealthy and the corporations. The "offshore" corporations pay almost nothing in US taxes. The laws need to be changed. Unfortunately, the wealthy and the corporations have proven the maxim that "we have the best government money can buy". It will never happen until the sheeple wake up and start voting in their own best interests. No, my values are such that the government didn't do anything to deserve stealing somebody else's money. Here is a point we both agree on. Stealing is illegal. Tax laws that are voted on by our elected representatives and signed into law. The ethics of tax laws are debatable. The legality is not. Me paying over 50% of my income out in taxes is legal. When the extremely wealthy and most large corporations pay far less, on a percentage basis in taxes, it is unethical. Legal, but unethical. We the people deserve better. All those taxes are bad ideas. Every one of them. Why don't you try FIGHTING AGAINST a tax rather than FIGHTING FOR one? Believe it or not, I am considered by most people who know me to be mostly republican in my views on fiscal policy. Not "republican" as in the dirtbags that are in control now. Republican in terms of government accountability for performance, fiscal responsibilty in taxation and spending, and keeping the government out of people's lives as much as possible by keeping it small. I am also considered to be quite liberal in my social views as I believe in personal freedom AND personal responsibilty. You can't have one without the other. The "nanny" government that many liberals espouse goes totally against my beliefs. Sorry to disappoint you. I figured your argument would devolve into a racist sexist harangue. Surprised it happened this quickly. You snipped the key part of the paragraph. You also missed the point I made. You make the content of your character quite clear by describing my factual statements as "a racist sexist harangue" The original unedited statement was - begin quoted text The USA is supposed to be of the people, by the people, and for the people. Not just wealthy white male property owners. We started that way, but we got better. ;-) end quoted text This statement is factually correct and not at all racist. If you knew anything about the events from ~1760 (the start of the revolution) to 1789 (Constitution), to 1920 (women got the right to vote) and on to the fifties and sixties (civil rights, voting rights enforced for minorities) , you would understand what I meant. You didn't get it... not that I am surprised. DAGS on "emoticons" and you will find out what ;-) means. Try opening your mind a bit. Stretch it a little. It is good for the intellect to try to comprehend arguments that don't agree with yours. |
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