On 30 Sep 2005 18:12:35 -0700, wrote:




Where did I claim to be a fan of binary thinking? How would you define 'binary
thinking'? How do stereotypes and binary thinking go together? Are you
stereotyping binary thinkers? (If such things exist?)
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

ROTFLMAO.

John, check your sig. You have used that sig to claim for months and
months that one must employ binary thinking to reach any sort of
decision.

Stereotypes facilitate binary thinking because, with a stereotype,
entire groups of people can be reduced to a single factor subject to a
preexisting conclusion. When you reduce your question to two single
factors, you have a binary proposition.

The fact that the making of a decision is the result of binary thinking does not
mean that the decision maker is only a binary thinker.

Before one has reduced the question to two single factors, one may well have
considered a multitude of factors. Does the reduction process make one a binary
thinker?

Have you ever made a choice from half a dozen (more or less) alternatives? How
did you make your choice?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

JIMinFL wrote:
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Chuck,
You crave attention. So does Harry

Arguable.


You are a word crafter. So is Harry.

So are tens of millions of others.


You claim great knowledge of boats. So does Harry.

I never claimed a thing. If somebody concludes I know something about
boats, that would be their conclusion to draw.


You are into cameras and photography So is Harry.

So are tens of millions of others.


You are a political extremist. So is Harry.

Really? Harry's a moderate, I'm a liberal, and many voices in the NG
are far more extreme than Harry's or mine.


You have rental property. So does Harry.

So do tens of millions of others.


Your personality is much like Harry's


Naw, if my personality were like Harry's I'd be flaming your arse in a
major way.


You are an expert on everything. So is Harry

Really? Well thanks. I never really thought I was an expert on
anything. Nice to see that you think so highly of me, and I'm sure
Harry probably appreciates the compliment as well.



You torment Skipper. So does Harry

Yeah, I really torment Skipper. Just think of the torment the poor sock
puppet is having to endure as he launches attack threads ("open letter
to.....") and posts false, hateful, stories about his meetings with me
that are not only untrue, but contradict comments the real Skipper made
about those same meetings shortly after they occured. Yeah, I'm just
beatin' hell out of the poor guy.


You avoided military service. So did Harry
You claimed "I served my country a different way". I believe those were
Harry's exact words.


I was drafted and fulfilled my obligation under the law. I don't know
that the same can be said for Harry.


You think your **** doesn't stink. So does Harry


You have some basis for this claim? Depending on recent consumption, my
**** can stink pretty badly. I've never discussed the smell of ****
with Harry, so I can't comment there.


Should we assume that you and Harry are one and the same?

You can assume anything you like. But remember, if this were Harry he
would have called you about 50 names by this point in the post. :-)
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Starbuck wrote:
I would have to agree, I don't believe I have seen any one use the
expression or the punctuation in rec.boats before, but it might be common in
certain parts of the country or forums.


JimH claims he uses it here all the time.
I should begin paying more attention to his posts.
Had I been doing so, and if he does routinely use that style here, then
I would have *immediately* recognized the pseudo-Skipper as JimH
without watching to see which of my most enthusiastic detractors was
amusing him/herself with this little game and would reveal themselves
with a careless follow-up. Remember the "lower than squid sh**" phrase
that unmasked "Dennis Compton"? That's exactly how sock puppeteers
screw up. One should never run a sock puppet and post in the first
person to the same forum- it doesn't take long before styling clues and
phrasings shred the veil.

On 30 Sep 2005 18:29:29 -0700, wrote:


JIMinFL wrote:
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Chuck,
You crave attention. So does Harry

Arguable.


You are a word crafter. So is Harry.

So are tens of millions of others.


You claim great knowledge of boats. So does Harry.

I never claimed a thing. If somebody concludes I know something about
boats, that would be their conclusion to draw.


You are into cameras and photography So is Harry.

So are tens of millions of others.


You are a political extremist. So is Harry.

Really? Harry's a moderate, I'm a liberal, and many voices in the NG
are far more extreme than Harry's or mine.


You have rental property. So does Harry.

So do tens of millions of others.


Your personality is much like Harry's


Naw, if my personality were like Harry's I'd be flaming your arse in a
major way.


You are an expert on everything. So is Harry

Really? Well thanks. I never really thought I was an expert on
anything. Nice to see that you think so highly of me, and I'm sure
Harry probably appreciates the compliment as well.



You torment Skipper. So does Harry

Yeah, I really torment Skipper. Just think of the torment the poor sock
puppet is having to endure as he launches attack threads ("open letter
to.....") and posts false, hateful, stories about his meetings with me
that are not only untrue, but contradict comments the real Skipper made
about those same meetings shortly after they occured. Yeah, I'm just
beatin' hell out of the poor guy.


You avoided military service. So did Harry
You claimed "I served my country a different way". I believe those were
Harry's exact words.


I was drafted and fulfilled my obligation under the law. I don't know
that the same can be said for Harry.


You think your **** doesn't stink. So does Harry


You have some basis for this claim? Depending on recent consumption, my
**** can stink pretty badly. I've never discussed the smell of ****
with Harry, so I can't comment there.


Should we assume that you and Harry are one and the same?

You can assume anything you like. But remember, if this were Harry he
would have called you about 50 names by this point in the post. :-)
++++++++++

LOL. Good one!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 30 Sep 2005 18:12:35 -0700, wrote:

Stereotypes facilitate binary thinking because, with a stereotype,
entire groups of people can be reduced to a single factor subject to a
preexisting conclusion. When you reduce your question to two single
factors, you have a binary proposition.

Not really.

Mathematically, in particular when building a truth table, any number
of inputs always resolve to two states - 1 and 0 (yes/no, true/false).
This is true for any number system actually no matter how it is
expressed. But I digress.

There are varying decision states in truth tables, but they still
resolve to 1 or 0.

In fact, if you combine varying states of NOT, OR, AND, NOR, NAND and
EOR and resolve their states, you always end up with either 1 or 0.

This is true for any given number of inputs.

So, in effect, almost all decisions, if proper rules of logic are
applied, are binary - yes/no, true/false.

Can't be any other way.


Only when probable results are considered. Many decisions require moral
judgment and evaluation and in some cases will transcend the bounds of
objectivity or logic.

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Starbuck wrote:
I would have to agree, I don't believe I have seen any one use the
expression or the punctuation in rec.boats before, but it might be common
in
certain parts of the country or forums.


JimH claims he uses it here all the time.

Really? When did I say I use it "all the time" Chuck.

This is very interesting. When you are cornered you result to spinning what
folks say. It happened here. It happens most often.

So when are you going to apologize to me Chuck?

Are you man enough to do that or are you going to continues with your lies?

*JimH* wrote:
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Starbuck wrote:
I would have to agree, I don't believe I have seen any one use the
expression or the punctuation in rec.boats before, but it might be common
in
certain parts of the country or forums.


JimH claims he uses it here all the time.

Really? When did I say I use it "all the time" Chuck.

This is very interesting. When you are cornered you result to spinning what
folks say. It happened here. It happens most often.


I was characterizing your statement, (in which you actually said that
posting in that fasion "has been a trait of mine for a while"). Notice
the lack of quotes around the three words you object to so strongly?
You're getting all Bill Clinton here. Next we'll be defining "is". But
no, you didn't say that you posted like that using the exact words "all
the time", but you did say it had been a "trait (of yours) for a
while." (Jeez Loueeze....talk about a spin........)

No substantive difference between my characterication of your statement
and your exact quote. Why would you claim there is? Hoping to deflect a
bit of scrutiny, perhaps? In either case, you eagerly associated
yourself with the very unusual style described. Good thing you're not a
defense attorney. :-)

I've only seen you post that way very very recently; if it has been a
"trait, for a while" I should be paying more attention. I haven't
noticed.

Anyway, no apology for you until Sunday PM at the earliest. Off on the
boat for an early fall overnight cruise in the morning. If I become
convinced I am wrong in my assumption, I will apologize. So far, not
convinced. Nothing to apologize for. That yellow hat, red vest, green
shoes and cigar will screw you up every time.




So when are you going to apologize to me Chuck?

Are you man enough to do that or are you going to continues with your lies?

Funny comment from a guy who is one of the few proven liars in the
group.
("That old ad did have my address and phone number, I edited them out
early this morning"). Just because you finally confessed and apologized
for that whopper that doesn't give you license to call "liar" when
somebody makes a general statement (saying that you claim to post that
way all the time and the microscopically correct and exact quote turns
out to be a statement that it had "been a trait for a while.") Yeah,
your "edited the ad" story was a small lie, but having told it sort of
knocks the legs out from under your high liar-hunting horse, doesn't
it?

On 30 Sep 2005 19:47:48 -0700, wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 30 Sep 2005 18:12:35 -0700, wrote:

Stereotypes facilitate binary thinking because, with a stereotype,
entire groups of people can be reduced to a single factor subject to a
preexisting conclusion. When you reduce your question to two single
factors, you have a binary proposition.

Not really.

Mathematically, in particular when building a truth table, any number
of inputs always resolve to two states - 1 and 0 (yes/no, true/false).
This is true for any number system actually no matter how it is
expressed. But I digress.

There are varying decision states in truth tables, but they still
resolve to 1 or 0.

In fact, if you combine varying states of NOT, OR, AND, NOR, NAND and
EOR and resolve their states, you always end up with either 1 or 0.

This is true for any given number of inputs.

So, in effect, almost all decisions, if proper rules of logic are
applied, are binary - yes/no, true/false.

Can't be any other way.


Only when probable results are considered. Many decisions require moral
judgment and evaluation and in some cases will transcend the bounds of
objectivity or logic.

Example?

Judgement and evaluation are part of the decision making process, but they are
not the decision.


--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:08:51 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 07:48:48 -0400, PocoLoco
wrote:

On 30 Sep 2005 19:47:48 -0700, wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 30 Sep 2005 18:12:35 -0700, wrote:

Stereotypes facilitate binary thinking because, with a stereotype,
entire groups of people can be reduced to a single factor subject to a
preexisting conclusion. When you reduce your question to two single
factors, you have a binary proposition.

Not really.

Mathematically, in particular when building a truth table, any number
of inputs always resolve to two states - 1 and 0 (yes/no, true/false).
This is true for any number system actually no matter how it is
expressed. But I digress.

There are varying decision states in truth tables, but they still
resolve to 1 or 0.

In fact, if you combine varying states of NOT, OR, AND, NOR, NAND and
EOR and resolve their states, you always end up with either 1 or 0.

This is true for any given number of inputs.

So, in effect, almost all decisions, if proper rules of logic are
applied, are binary - yes/no, true/false.

Can't be any other way.


Only when probable results are considered. Many decisions require moral
judgment and evaluation and in some cases will transcend the bounds of
objectivity or logic.

Example?

Judgement and evaluation are part of the decision making process, but they are
not the decision.

Not really.

Judgment and evaluation are emotive states and not relevant.

Only facts can resolve true/false statements.

We disagree. Evaluating alternatives is part of the process. We use facts to
evaluate alternatives.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:06:45 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On 30 Sep 2005 19:47:48 -0700, wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 30 Sep 2005 18:12:35 -0700, wrote:

Stereotypes facilitate binary thinking because, with a stereotype,
entire groups of people can be reduced to a single factor subject to a
preexisting conclusion. When you reduce your question to two single
factors, you have a binary proposition.

Not really.

Mathematically, in particular when building a truth table, any number
of inputs always resolve to two states - 1 and 0 (yes/no, true/false).
This is true for any number system actually no matter how it is
expressed. But I digress.

There are varying decision states in truth tables, but they still
resolve to 1 or 0.

In fact, if you combine varying states of NOT, OR, AND, NOR, NAND and
EOR and resolve their states, you always end up with either 1 or 0.

This is true for any given number of inputs.

So, in effect, almost all decisions, if proper rules of logic are
applied, are binary - yes/no, true/false.

Can't be any other way.

Only when probable results are considered. Many decisions require moral
judgment and evaluation and in some cases will transcend the bounds of
objectivity or logic.

Nothing transcends the bounds of objectivity or logic chains -
everything is either true or false - even in quantum states which is
as close as you can get to a real metaphysical concept that actually
works in the real world.

Moral judgments are entirely subjective, but they can still be
resolved into true/false statements - 1s and 0s if you examine the
logic chain properly. I'll be the first to admit it is difficult, but
still possible.

There can be only one true and one false - no inbetween no matter how
many different states of logic are used to process the answer.

Be careful, you're stepping on the toes of a lot of liberals who claim
conservatives are 'binary thinkers' and therefore bad.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."