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Fishing and wine tasting.
Went up to a grape picking and wine charity sale for Cal Poly SLO scholarships on Saturday. Rant on. Why is it people come to one of these events, drink the free wine, etc, and then do not even buy one bottle? Tacky. Rant off. Fished their pond, for bass. Landed about 3, lost about 4. Mostly Senkos, and all about 1.5#. All in about 45 minutes of fishing. Was fun. Stayed at Spanish Flat resort Sat night with the camper, and boated today, fished for bass, drop shot. Landed 3, all a pound or less smallmouth. Very windy until about 4:30. so fished where it was protected not where we wanted to, main lake rock piles. |
Bill McKee wrote: Went up to a grape picking and wine charity sale for Cal Poly SLO scholarships on Saturday. Rant on. Why is it people come to one of these events, drink the free wine, etc, and then do not even buy one bottle? Tacky. Rant off. Fished their pond, for bass. Landed about 3, lost about 4. Mostly Senkos, and all about 1.5#. All in about 45 minutes of fishing. Was fun. Stayed at Spanish Flat resort Sat night with the camper, and boated today, fished for bass, drop shot. Landed 3, all a pound or less smallmouth. Very windy until about 4:30. so fished where it was protected not where we wanted to, main lake rock piles. Why do people go to these affairs, and run out and fish the pond? Tacky. |
My guess is they fish the pond because they like fishing, but I might be
wrong. What is your guess Kevin? wrote in message oups.com... Bill McKee wrote: Went up to a grape picking and wine charity sale for Cal Poly SLO scholarships on Saturday. Rant on. Why is it people come to one of these events, drink the free wine, etc, and then do not even buy one bottle? Tacky. Rant off. Fished their pond, for bass. Landed about 3, lost about 4. Mostly Senkos, and all about 1.5#. All in about 45 minutes of fishing. Was fun. Stayed at Spanish Flat resort Sat night with the camper, and boated today, fished for bass, drop shot. Landed 3, all a pound or less smallmouth. Very windy until about 4:30. so fished where it was protected not where we wanted to, main lake rock piles. Why do people go to these affairs, and run out and fish the pond? Tacky. |
PS - Do you really not understand why it is tacky to go to a Charity Wine
Tasting Event and not but a bottle of wine? wrote in message oups.com... Bill McKee wrote: Went up to a grape picking and wine charity sale for Cal Poly SLO scholarships on Saturday. Rant on. Why is it people come to one of these events, drink the free wine, etc, and then do not even buy one bottle? Tacky. Rant off. Fished their pond, for bass. Landed about 3, lost about 4. Mostly Senkos, and all about 1.5#. All in about 45 minutes of fishing. Was fun. Stayed at Spanish Flat resort Sat night with the camper, and boated today, fished for bass, drop shot. Landed 3, all a pound or less smallmouth. Very windy until about 4:30. so fished where it was protected not where we wanted to, main lake rock piles. Why do people go to these affairs, and run out and fish the pond? Tacky. |
wrote in message oups.com... Bill McKee wrote: Went up to a grape picking and wine charity sale for Cal Poly SLO scholarships on Saturday. Rant on. Why is it people come to one of these events, drink the free wine, etc, and then do not even buy one bottle? Tacky. Rant off. Fished their pond, for bass. Landed about 3, lost about 4. Mostly Senkos, and all about 1.5#. All in about 45 minutes of fishing. Was fun. Stayed at Spanish Flat resort Sat night with the camper, and boated today, fished for bass, drop shot. Landed 3, all a pound or less smallmouth. Very windy until about 4:30. so fished where it was protected not where we wanted to, main lake rock piles. Why do people go to these affairs, and run out and fish the pond? Tacky. Because I and the owner of the vineyard like to fish. And was after the affair. We are also friends of the owners and go because we are invited. My brother went to Cal Poly, but I went to SFSU. And what university did you graduate from? You belong to the alummi association. |
Also I bought some wine. Is good wine, only $18 a bottle. His wine under
his label is $85 a bottle. Same grapes, a different bottler and fermentor. Do you go to charity events and suck up the freebies, without buying? wrote in message oups.com... Bill McKee wrote: Went up to a grape picking and wine charity sale for Cal Poly SLO scholarships on Saturday. Rant on. Why is it people come to one of these events, drink the free wine, etc, and then do not even buy one bottle? Tacky. Rant off. Fished their pond, for bass. Landed about 3, lost about 4. Mostly Senkos, and all about 1.5#. All in about 45 minutes of fishing. Was fun. Stayed at Spanish Flat resort Sat night with the camper, and boated today, fished for bass, drop shot. Landed 3, all a pound or less smallmouth. Very windy until about 4:30. so fished where it was protected not where we wanted to, main lake rock piles. Why do people go to these affairs, and run out and fish the pond? Tacky. |
"Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... Also I bought some wine. Is good wine, only $18 a bottle. His wine under his label is $85 a bottle. Same grapes, a different bottler and fermentor. Do you go to charity events and suck up the freebies, without buying? Kevin is just jealous. wrote in message oups.com... Bill McKee wrote: Went up to a grape picking and wine charity sale for Cal Poly SLO scholarships on Saturday. Rant on. Why is it people come to one of these events, drink the free wine, etc, and then do not even buy one bottle? Tacky. Rant off. Fished their pond, for bass. Landed about 3, lost about 4. Mostly Senkos, and all about 1.5#. All in about 45 minutes of fishing. Was fun. Stayed at Spanish Flat resort Sat night with the camper, and boated today, fished for bass, drop shot. Landed 3, all a pound or less smallmouth. Very windy until about 4:30. so fished where it was protected not where we wanted to, main lake rock piles. Why do people go to these affairs, and run out and fish the pond? Tacky. |
Starbuck wrote: PS - Do you really not understand why it is tacky to go to a Charity Wine Tasting Event and not but a bottle of wine? Yes, I never said it wasn't tacky. Can't read well, can you? Do you understand why it's tacky to go to a wine tasting, which is usually a fairly classy gathering, and go fishing in the pond?? Do you also know that it's tacky to top post? |
The answer to both questions is no.
It is not tacky to fish if the owner allows it. It is not tacky to top posts, it is the manner in which my newsgroup reader operates. wrote in message ups.com... Starbuck wrote: PS - Do you really not understand why it is tacky to go to a Charity Wine Tasting Event and not but a bottle of wine? Yes, I never said it wasn't tacky. Can't read well, can you? Do you understand why it's tacky to go to a wine tasting, which is usually a fairly classy gathering, and go fishing in the pond?? Do you also know that it's tacky to top post? |
Tom,
I use rec.boats, there is not way to change the method of posting. "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:36:04 -0400, "Starbuck" wrote: The answer to both questions is no. And by no you mean? It is not tacky to fish if the owner allows it. There is a pizza place down in Killingly that has a nice little pond where I have spent many a pleasant afternoon fishing for bass. BIG BASS!!!! :) Damn place never gets fished except for me. It is not tacky to top posts, it is the manner in which my newsgroup reader operates. Well, actually it is. Top posting is the default, but you can change it to bottom post which is the true and proper newsgroup etiquette. Has been since the email lists days. |
Starbuck wrote: Tom, I use rec.boats, there is not way to change the method of posting. rec.boats is a newsreader???!!!!! |
Bill McKee wrote: Also I bought some wine. Is good wine, only $18 a bottle. His wine under his label is $85 a bottle. Same grapes, a different bottler and fermentor. Do you go to charity events and suck up the freebies, without buying? Hmm, let's recap. You think it's tacky for someone to not buy wine at this charity event, but find that it's quite acceptable to only pay $18 for an $85 bottle of wine? Gee, aren't YOU the generous one! If I did that I certainly wouldn't chastise other people for not being as generous to the charity as you were. |
Kevin,
Sorry I was on the phone as I was typing. I use Outlook Express. wrote in message oups.com... Starbuck wrote: Tom, I use rec.boats, there is not way to change the method of posting. rec.boats is a newsreader???!!!!! |
Kevin,
You seem to have a lot of pent up anger, it might be helpful if you talk to someone concerning this. wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: Also I bought some wine. Is good wine, only $18 a bottle. His wine under his label is $85 a bottle. Same grapes, a different bottler and fermentor. Do you go to charity events and suck up the freebies, without buying? Hmm, let's recap. You think it's tacky for someone to not buy wine at this charity event, but find that it's quite acceptable to only pay $18 for an $85 bottle of wine? Gee, aren't YOU the generous one! If I did that I certainly wouldn't chastise other people for not being as generous to the charity as you were. |
"Starbuck" wrote in message ... Kevin, You seem to have a lot of pent up anger, it might be helpful if you talk to someone concerning this. He talks to the other voices in his head. |
NOYB,
Yes, he might be talking to the other voices in his head, but they don't seem to be helping. I thought he might want to talk to someone who can stop the voices and help him control his violent rage. I hope this helps in his search. http://www.aetna.com/docfind/DocFind... ontinue.y=12 "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Starbuck" wrote in message ... Kevin, You seem to have a lot of pent up anger, it might be helpful if you talk to someone concerning this. He talks to the other voices in his head. |
"Starbuck" wrote in message ... NOYB, Yes, he might be talking to the other voices in his head, but they don't seem to be helping. That's because it's Charles Manson talking to Boo Radley. Obviously, Boo is the one posting to rec.boats. |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:00:51 -0400, "Starbuck" wrote: Kevin, Sorry I was on the phone as I was typing. I use Outlook Express. I thought there was a way to change the option in OE. Hmmmmm - have to check that out. I use Outlook Express and have never had a problem with bottom posting. |
Do you know you are a trolling douche bag? So YOU decide what it
"tacky", Kevin? wrote: Starbuck wrote: PS - Do you really not understand why it is tacky to go to a Charity Wine Tasting Event and not but a bottle of wine? Yes, I never said it wasn't tacky. Can't read well, can you? Do you understand why it's tacky to go to a wine tasting, which is usually a fairly classy gathering, and go fishing in the pond?? Do you also know that it's tacky to top post? |
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wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: Also I bought some wine. Is good wine, only $18 a bottle. His wine under his label is $85 a bottle. Same grapes, a different bottler and fermentor. Do you go to charity events and suck up the freebies, without buying? Hmm, let's recap. You think it's tacky for someone to not buy wine at this charity event, but find that it's quite acceptable to only pay $18 for an $85 bottle of wine? Gee, aren't YOU the generous one! If I did that I certainly wouldn't chastise other people for not being as generous to the charity as you were. Where did I say we were buying $85 a bottle wine. His wine, from the same grapes goes for the $85, but different fementer and bottler. The bottles are priced at $18 and they used to be $15. They have managed to supply a scholarship every year for the last 8. One guy, with no money, got extra and in a year in France, studied and to learn French took a full load at both the American school and the French university. And still graduated a year early. And how much have you sent your alumni association? The association at which ever school you decide you graduated from. |
Top posting to p.o. po kevin. We picked the grapes, played volleyball, and
later went fishing after all the non-related guests went away. You have never been to a wine grape harvest I understand. It is not a black tie affair. It is a casual dress, and you can even get in the bin and stomp grapes with your feet. You need to get help for your anger. wrote in message ups.com... Starbuck wrote: PS - Do you really not understand why it is tacky to go to a Charity Wine Tasting Event and not but a bottle of wine? Yes, I never said it wasn't tacky. Can't read well, can you? Do you understand why it's tacky to go to a wine tasting, which is usually a fairly classy gathering, and go fishing in the pond?? Do you also know that it's tacky to top post? |
NOYB,
I don't think so, this guy comes out during the day, didn't Boo only come out at night? "NOYB" wrote in message k.net... "Starbuck" wrote in message ... NOYB, Yes, he might be talking to the other voices in his head, but they don't seem to be helping. That's because it's Charles Manson talking to Boo Radley. Obviously, Boo is the one posting to rec.boats. |
JimH,
Do you have a way to get the cursor to auto drop to the bottom of the message? "*JimH*" wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:00:51 -0400, "Starbuck" wrote: Kevin, Sorry I was on the phone as I was typing. I use Outlook Express. I thought there was a way to change the option in OE. Hmmmmm - have to check that out. I use Outlook Express and have never had a problem with bottom posting. |
Bill,
I have to agree, Kevin reminds me of someone who has been abusing Steroids. He either needs to get off the steroids or seek some serious anger management problems. "Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... Top posting to p.o. po kevin. We picked the grapes, played volleyball, and later went fishing after all the non-related guests went away. You have never been to a wine grape harvest I understand. It is not a black tie affair. It is a casual dress, and you can even get in the bin and stomp grapes with your feet. You need to get help for your anger. wrote in message ups.com... Starbuck wrote: PS - Do you really not understand why it is tacky to go to a Charity Wine Tasting Event and not but a bottle of wine? Yes, I never said it wasn't tacky. Can't read well, can you? Do you understand why it's tacky to go to a wine tasting, which is usually a fairly classy gathering, and go fishing in the pond?? Do you also know that it's tacky to top post? |
"Starbuck" wrote in message ... JimH, Do you have a way to get the cursor to auto drop to the bottom of the message? "*JimH*" wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:00:51 -0400, "Starbuck" wrote: Kevin, Sorry I was on the phone as I was typing. I use Outlook Express. I thought there was a way to change the option in OE. Hmmmmm - have to check that out. I use Outlook Express and have never had a problem with bottom posting. No, I just scroll down to the bottom of the page and put it there. |
Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: Also I bought some wine. Is good wine, only $18 a bottle. His wine under his label is $85 a bottle. Same grapes, a different bottler and fermentor. Do you go to charity events and suck up the freebies, without buying? Hmm, let's recap. You think it's tacky for someone to not buy wine at this charity event, but find that it's quite acceptable to only pay $18 for an $85 bottle of wine? Gee, aren't YOU the generous one! If I did that I certainly wouldn't chastise other people for not being as generous to the charity as you were. Where did I say we were buying $85 a bottle wine. His wine, from the same grapes goes for the $85, but different fementer and bottler. Nice, change the story. Please, show where you said that above. The bottles are priced at $18 and they used to be $15. They have managed to supply a scholarship every year for the last 8. One guy, with no money, got extra and in a year in France, studied and to learn French took a full load at both the American school and the French university. I thought you were against freeloaders. And still graduated a year early. And how much have you sent your alumni association? A lot. How much do you give to the Handyman College alumni? |
Dan Krueger wrote: Do you know you are a trolling douche bag? So YOU decide what it "tacky", Kevin? I'm not Kevin, but you DO know that petty, childish name calling does nothing for your credibility, don't you? Especially when hiding behind a usenet handle! Now, grow up. |
Starbuck wrote: JimH, Do you have a way to get the cursor to auto drop to the bottom of the message? Use the down arrow key. |
Bill McKee wrote: Top posting to p.o. po kevin. We picked the grapes, played volleyball, and later went fishing after all the non-related guests went away. You have never been to a wine grape harvest I understand. It is not a black tie affair. It is a casual dress, and you can even get in the bin and stomp grapes with your feet. You need to get help for your anger. I'm not Kevin. Ever notice how when you are caught in a lie, Bill, the story just keeps getting grander, and grander.....NOW, you were at a harvest, and the owner of the vineyard is a relative of yours? What winery, vineyard? What makes you think that I'm angry, Bill? Trying to put the blame on me, because you lie all the time? |
wrote in message oups.com... Dan Krueger wrote: Do you know you are a trolling douche bag? So YOU decide what it "tacky", Kevin? I'm not Kevin, but you DO know that petty, childish name calling does nothing for your credibility, don't you? Especially when hiding behind a usenet handle! Now, grow up. That, my friends, is a keeper! |
"*JimH*" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... Dan Krueger wrote: Do you know you are a trolling douche bag? So YOU decide what it "tacky", Kevin? I'm not Kevin, but you DO know that petty, childish name calling does nothing for your credibility, don't you? Especially when hiding behind a usenet handle! Now, grow up. That, my friends, is a keeper! He's the "King" |
wrote in message ps.com... Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: Also I bought some wine. Is good wine, only $18 a bottle. His wine under his label is $85 a bottle. Same grapes, a different bottler and fermentor. Do you go to charity events and suck up the freebies, without buying? Hmm, let's recap. You think it's tacky for someone to not buy wine at this charity event, but find that it's quite acceptable to only pay $18 for an $85 bottle of wine? Gee, aren't YOU the generous one! If I did that I certainly wouldn't chastise other people for not being as generous to the charity as you were. Where did I say we were buying $85 a bottle wine. His wine, from the same grapes goes for the $85, but different fementer and bottler. Nice, change the story. Please, show where you said that above. The bottles are priced at $18 and they used to be $15. They have managed to supply a scholarship every year for the last 8. One guy, with no money, got extra and in a year in France, studied and to learn French took a full load at both the American school and the French university. I thought you were against freeloaders. And still graduated a year early. And how much have you sent your alumni association? A lot. How much do you give to the Handyman College alumni? My handyman college fund is very comfortable. My SFSU alumni association gets money also. And what college did you decide you graduated from now get alumni money. And Scholarships are not freeloaders. They are earned. Where did you earn your degree? |
wrote in message oups.com... Dan Krueger wrote: Do you know you are a trolling douche bag? So YOU decide what it "tacky", Kevin? I'm not Kevin, but you DO know that petty, childish name calling does nothing for your credibility, don't you? Especially when hiding behind a usenet handle! Now, grow up. Did you read your post? It very much applies to yourself. |
Did not say he was a relative. We are related by friendship. Not by being
in the same alumni association. As to his name, and wine brand. You can not afford it anyway. wrote in message oups.com... Bill McKee wrote: Top posting to p.o. po kevin. We picked the grapes, played volleyball, and later went fishing after all the non-related guests went away. You have never been to a wine grape harvest I understand. It is not a black tie affair. It is a casual dress, and you can even get in the bin and stomp grapes with your feet. You need to get help for your anger. I'm not Kevin. Ever notice how when you are caught in a lie, Bill, the story just keeps getting grander, and grander.....NOW, you were at a harvest, and the owner of the vineyard is a relative of yours? What winery, vineyard? What makes you think that I'm angry, Bill? Trying to put the blame on me, because you lie all the time? |
Bill,
According to Kevin he received his degree from U of Penn and Georgia Tech. His ala mater changes yearly, so next year he might have graduated from a different school. It is hard to imagine anyone thinking they graduated from U of Penn when they went to Georgia Tech, but you know what they say "This is your brain ...... This is your brain on drugs". Kevin would be an excellent poster child for an antidrug campaign. "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message ps.com... Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: Also I bought some wine. Is good wine, only $18 a bottle. His wine under his label is $85 a bottle. Same grapes, a different bottler and fermentor. Do you go to charity events and suck up the freebies, without buying? Hmm, let's recap. You think it's tacky for someone to not buy wine at this charity event, but find that it's quite acceptable to only pay $18 for an $85 bottle of wine? Gee, aren't YOU the generous one! If I did that I certainly wouldn't chastise other people for not being as generous to the charity as you were. Where did I say we were buying $85 a bottle wine. His wine, from the same grapes goes for the $85, but different fementer and bottler. Nice, change the story. Please, show where you said that above. The bottles are priced at $18 and they used to be $15. They have managed to supply a scholarship every year for the last 8. One guy, with no money, got extra and in a year in France, studied and to learn French took a full load at both the American school and the French university. I thought you were against freeloaders. And still graduated a year early. And how much have you sent your alumni association? A lot. How much do you give to the Handyman College alumni? My handyman college fund is very comfortable. My SFSU alumni association gets money also. And what college did you decide you graduated from now get alumni money. And Scholarships are not freeloaders. They are earned. Where did you earn your degree? |
"Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... Did not say he was a relative. We are related by friendship. Not by being in the same alumni association. As to his name, and wine brand. You can not afford it anyway. Reading comprehension has never been one of kevin' strong points....... neither is the mastering of the difference between your and you're wrote in message oups.com... Bill McKee wrote: Top posting to p.o. po kevin. We picked the grapes, played volleyball, and later went fishing after all the non-related guests went away. You have never been to a wine grape harvest I understand. It is not a black tie affair. It is a casual dress, and you can even get in the bin and stomp grapes with your feet. You need to get help for your anger. I'm not Kevin. Ever notice how when you are caught in a lie, Bill, the story just keeps getting grander, and grander.....NOW, you were at a harvest, and the owner of the vineyard is a relative of yours? What winery, vineyard? What makes you think that I'm angry, Bill? Trying to put the blame on me, because you lie all the time? |
"Starbuck" wrote in message ... Bill, According to Kevin he received his degree from U of Penn and Georgia Tech. His ala mater changes yearly, so next year he might have graduated from a different school. It is hard to imagine anyone thinking they graduated from U of Penn when they went to Georgia Tech, but you know what they say "This is your brain ...... This is your brain on drugs". Kevin would be an excellent poster child for an antidrug campaign. According to kevin, he earned a degree from Ga. Tech that they do not offer. "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message ps.com... Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: Also I bought some wine. Is good wine, only $18 a bottle. His wine under his label is $85 a bottle. Same grapes, a different bottler and fermentor. Do you go to charity events and suck up the freebies, without buying? Hmm, let's recap. You think it's tacky for someone to not buy wine at this charity event, but find that it's quite acceptable to only pay $18 for an $85 bottle of wine? Gee, aren't YOU the generous one! If I did that I certainly wouldn't chastise other people for not being as generous to the charity as you were. Where did I say we were buying $85 a bottle wine. His wine, from the same grapes goes for the $85, but different fementer and bottler. Nice, change the story. Please, show where you said that above. The bottles are priced at $18 and they used to be $15. They have managed to supply a scholarship every year for the last 8. One guy, with no money, got extra and in a year in France, studied and to learn French took a full load at both the American school and the French university. I thought you were against freeloaders. And still graduated a year early. And how much have you sent your alumni association? A lot. How much do you give to the Handyman College alumni? My handyman college fund is very comfortable. My SFSU alumni association gets money also. And what college did you decide you graduated from now get alumni money. And Scholarships are not freeloaders. They are earned. Where did you earn your degree? |
"Starbuck" wrote in message ... Bill, According to Kevin he received his degree from U of Penn and Georgia Tech. I thought it was Penn State. You know...the Nittany Yellowjackets. |
Paul,
I think you are nit picking here, they might not have offered the degree, but I bet they wanted to offer it and I bet Kevin wanted it. That is almost as good as actually receiving the degree. "P Fritz" wrote in message ... "Starbuck" wrote in message ... Bill, According to Kevin he received his degree from U of Penn and Georgia Tech. His ala mater changes yearly, so next year he might have graduated from a different school. It is hard to imagine anyone thinking they graduated from U of Penn when they went to Georgia Tech, but you know what they say "This is your brain ...... This is your brain on drugs". Kevin would be an excellent poster child for an antidrug campaign. According to kevin, he earned a degree from Ga. Tech that they do not offer. "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message ps.com... Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Bill McKee wrote: Also I bought some wine. Is good wine, only $18 a bottle. His wine under his label is $85 a bottle. Same grapes, a different bottler and fermentor. Do you go to charity events and suck up the freebies, without buying? Hmm, let's recap. You think it's tacky for someone to not buy wine at this charity event, but find that it's quite acceptable to only pay $18 for an $85 bottle of wine? Gee, aren't YOU the generous one! If I did that I certainly wouldn't chastise other people for not being as generous to the charity as you were. Where did I say we were buying $85 a bottle wine. His wine, from the same grapes goes for the $85, but different fementer and bottler. Nice, change the story. Please, show where you said that above. The bottles are priced at $18 and they used to be $15. They have managed to supply a scholarship every year for the last 8. One guy, with no money, got extra and in a year in France, studied and to learn French took a full load at both the American school and the French university. I thought you were against freeloaders. And still graduated a year early. And how much have you sent your alumni association? A lot. How much do you give to the Handyman College alumni? My handyman college fund is very comfortable. My SFSU alumni association gets money also. And what college did you decide you graduated from now get alumni money. And Scholarships are not freeloaders. They are earned. Where did you earn your degree? |
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