"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

Been fishing this past week, Herring?
I have. Unfortunately, red tide is in full force down here. Dead
grunts, catfish, and bait are everywhere. I fished the backwaters on
an outgoing tide (no red tide in the bays), and put a pompano, a large
spotted trout, and a mangrove in the cooler for last night's dinner.

We lucked out yesterday with some spanish mackerals and some bluefish. I
had heard that they were in a specific area, and apparently everyone
else did, too, because there had to be 35-45 boats fast-trolling the
same area. Clarks Spoons and rubber tube baits worked.

I love catching blues on really light tackle.

I like catching blues too. But the macks annoy the hell out of me. They
don't fight very well (except for the larger ones 24 inches), and they
cut off my sabiki rigs right above the weight. They also taste like
crap...the meat is much too soft. About the only thing they're good for
is chunking up and sending to the bottom as jewfish candy. Some guys use
them for tarpon bait too. If I lived in the Keys, or the Eastern
seaboard, I'd keep all that I could get my hands on for marlin bait.


Spanish mack fillet out nicely. I put a mixture of lime juice and onions
on them, and they grill up delicious. They're usually too small to cut
into steaks, though.


It's not the taste, it's the texture. They're much too mushy for my taste.
I like a firmer meat like pompano/permit, grouper, cobia, wahoo, etc.
Flounder/fluke is about as soft a fish as I can enjoy...but macks are much
softer IMO.

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NOYB wrote:
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NOYB wrote:

Been fishing this past week, Herring?
I have. Unfortunately, red tide is in full force down here. Dead
grunts, catfish, and bait are everywhere. I fished the backwaters on
an outgoing tide (no red tide in the bays), and put a pompano, a
large spotted trout, and a mangrove in the cooler for last night's
dinner.
We lucked out yesterday with some spanish mackerals and some bluefish.
I had heard that they were in a specific area, and apparently everyone
else did, too, because there had to be 35-45 boats fast-trolling the
same area. Clarks Spoons and rubber tube baits worked.

I love catching blues on really light tackle.
I like catching blues too. But the macks annoy the hell out of me.
They don't fight very well (except for the larger ones 24 inches), and
they cut off my sabiki rigs right above the weight. They also taste
like crap...the meat is much too soft. About the only thing they're
good for is chunking up and sending to the bottom as jewfish candy.
Some guys use them for tarpon bait too. If I lived in the Keys, or the
Eastern seaboard, I'd keep all that I could get my hands on for marlin
bait.

Spanish mack fillet out nicely. I put a mixture of lime juice and onions
on them, and they grill up delicious. They're usually too small to cut
into steaks, though.


It's not the taste, it's the texture. They're much too mushy for my
taste. I like a firmer meat like pompano/permit, grouper, cobia, wahoo,
etc. Flounder/fluke is about as soft a fish as I can enjoy...but macks
are much softer IMO.




If you grill them, the flesh firms up.

If I grill them, they fall apart and slip through the grates.

Do you use one of those basket-type devices that close over the fillet from
both sides before grilling?

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

Been fishing this past week, Herring?
I have. Unfortunately, red tide is in full force down here. Dead
grunts, catfish, and bait are everywhere. I fished the backwaters
on an outgoing tide (no red tide in the bays), and put a pompano, a
large spotted trout, and a mangrove in the cooler for last night's
dinner.
We lucked out yesterday with some spanish mackerals and some
bluefish. I had heard that they were in a specific area, and
apparently everyone else did, too, because there had to be 35-45
boats fast-trolling the same area. Clarks Spoons and rubber tube
baits worked.

I love catching blues on really light tackle.
I like catching blues too. But the macks annoy the hell out of me.
They don't fight very well (except for the larger ones 24 inches),
and they cut off my sabiki rigs right above the weight. They also
taste like crap...the meat is much too soft. About the only thing
they're good for is chunking up and sending to the bottom as jewfish
candy. Some guys use them for tarpon bait too. If I lived in the
Keys, or the Eastern seaboard, I'd keep all that I could get my hands
on for marlin bait.

Spanish mack fillet out nicely. I put a mixture of lime juice and
onions on them, and they grill up delicious. They're usually too small
to cut into steaks, though.


It's not the taste, it's the texture. They're much too mushy for my
taste. I like a firmer meat like pompano/permit, grouper, cobia, wahoo,
etc. Flounder/fluke is about as soft a fish as I can enjoy...but macks
are much softer IMO.




If you grill them, the flesh firms up.

If I grill them, they fall apart and slip through the grates.

Do you use one of those basket-type devices that close over the fillet
from both sides before grilling?


Like this?
http://www.kitchenkapers.com/265-tf.html

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:21:55 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Been fishing this past week, Herring?

I have. Unfortunately, red tide is in full force down here. Dead grunts,
catfish, and bait are everywhere. I fished the backwaters on an outgoing
tide (no red tide in the bays), and put a pompano, a large spotted trout,
and a mangrove in the cooler for last night's dinner.



Gosh, Harry trying to get through.

Sorry to hear about the red tide. It happened when I was living in Tampa back in
1970 or '71. There would be pictures on the news of large fish (tarpon?) jumping
out of the water trying to get oxygen, I suppose. Lot's of dead fish. Not nice.

Sounds like you had a good day, though!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:54:32 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

Been fishing this past week, Herring?

I have. Unfortunately, red tide is in full force down here. Dead
grunts, catfish, and bait are everywhere. I fished the backwaters on an
outgoing tide (no red tide in the bays), and put a pompano, a large
spotted trout, and a mangrove in the cooler for last night's dinner.


We lucked out yesterday with some spanish mackerals and some bluefish. I
had heard that they were in a specific area, and apparently everyone else
did, too, because there had to be 35-45 boats fast-trolling the same area.
Clarks Spoons and rubber tube baits worked.

I love catching blues on really light tackle.

I like catching blues too. But the macks annoy the hell out of me. They
don't fight very well (except for the larger ones 24 inches), and they cut
off my sabiki rigs right above the weight. They also taste like crap...the
meat is much too soft. About the only thing they're good for is chunking up
and sending to the bottom as jewfish candy. Some guys use them for tarpon
bait too. If I lived in the Keys, or the Eastern seaboard, I'd keep all
that I could get my hands on for marlin bait.


I agree with your mack comments. The meat is mush. It's ugly gray color and has
all the consistency of oatmeal.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:53:46 -0400, "Starbuck's"
wrote:

JohnH,
It seems that Harry went out on his annual fishing trip this weekend.


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PocoLoco wrote:
On 12 Sep 2005 12:23:54 -0700, wrote:

NOYB wrote:
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On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:14:12 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

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http://myerskatt.blogspot.com/2005_0...2158281994 41

Walking around New Orleans when there were armed bandits and
troops
on
combat patrol with a shotgun and flack jacket - real smart.
Just what that city needed. A shotgun-wielding idiot like Penn
walking around. Imagine what would have occurred if he happened
upon
a nervous 19 year old National Guard member while holding that
gun.
One could only hope.

Then again, I'm sure the media would have turned it into another
Kent
State.
Are you referring to the Kent State slaughter, in which
dumber-than-dirt
National Guardsmen opened fire on students?
I think he means the incident that was preceded by these events just
1 to
2 days befo

Nothing happened in the days before that justified shooting at
students.
Period.
Day 1:

bonfires lit in the middle of downtown streets

police cars hit with bottles

Store windows were smashed

property was vandalized

shops were looted

Day 2:
several Kent firemen and police officers were pelted with rocks and
other
projectiles

protesters were slashing firehoses with pocket knives



If you're dumb enough to physically attack a man holding a rifle (or
protest
in the midst of folks dumb enough to do so), then you deserve to be
shot.
So you think that any and all of the above offenses should be
punishable by death? I think narrow mindedness stupidity should be
right up there, too!

"I think narrow mindedness stupidity should be right up there, too!"

That's got to be a classic.

You'd better stick to fanciful motorcycle stories, Mr. "Desmo".


Been fishing this past week, Herring?

--
- - -
George W. Bush, our hero!

"You see, not only did the attacks help accelerate a recession, the
attacks reminded us that we are at war."—Bush, Washington, D.C., June 8,
2005


Kool. I suppose he caught a cooler full, and then visited every port in the bay.
He has the fastest boat in the bay, you know.

Filtering Harry has made me miss some good stories, I'll bet. Oh well, freedom
isn't free!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"PocoLoco" wrote in message
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On 12 Sep 2005 12:23:54 -0700, wrote:


NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:14:12 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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http://myerskatt.blogspot.com/2005_0...2158281994 41

Walking around New Orleans when there were armed bandits and
troops
on
combat patrol with a shotgun and flack jacket - real smart.
Just what that city needed. A shotgun-wielding idiot like Penn
walking around. Imagine what would have occurred if he happened
upon
a nervous 19 year old National Guard member while holding that
gun.
One could only hope.

Then again, I'm sure the media would have turned it into another
Kent
State.

Are you referring to the Kent State slaughter, in which
dumber-than-dirt
National Guardsmen opened fire on students?

I think he means the incident that was preceded by these events
just 1 to
2 days befo


Nothing happened in the days before that justified shooting at
students.
Period.

Day 1:

bonfires lit in the middle of downtown streets

police cars hit with bottles

Store windows were smashed

property was vandalized

shops were looted

Day 2:
several Kent firemen and police officers were pelted with rocks and
other
projectiles

protesters were slashing firehoses with pocket knives



If you're dumb enough to physically attack a man holding a rifle (or
protest
in the midst of folks dumb enough to do so), then you deserve to be
shot.

So you think that any and all of the above offenses should be
punishable by death? I think narrow mindedness stupidity should be
right up there, too!

"I think narrow mindedness stupidity should be right up there, too!"

That's got to be a classic.

ANd Kevin wonders why he is still the "King"


You'd better stick to fanciful motorcycle stories, Mr. "Desmo".
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:21:55 +0000, NOYB wrote:


I have. Unfortunately, red tide is in full force down here. Dead grunts,
catfish, and bait are everywhere. I fished the backwaters on an outgoing
tide (no red tide in the bays), and put a pompano, a large spotted trout,
and a mangrove in the cooler for last night's dinner.

I vaguely remember reading of a spot somewhere between Naples and Key
West, where red tide is quite common, as in a yearly occurrence. Do you
run into it much where you fish?

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:21:55 +0000, NOYB wrote:


I have. Unfortunately, red tide is in full force down here. Dead
grunts,
catfish, and bait are everywhere. I fished the backwaters on an outgoing
tide (no red tide in the bays), and put a pompano, a large spotted trout,
and a mangrove in the cooler for last night's dinner.

I vaguely remember reading of a spot somewhere between Naples and Key
West, where red tide is quite common, as in a yearly occurrence. Do you
run into it much where you fish?

Every year and a half we seem to get a really bad outbreak. It was really
bad early last summer, but we were spared for most of this year...until now.

Sarasota/Venice area had it bad all spring and summer, and it has finally
moved south.

It is a natural occurence, but there is a lot of research now showing that
the nutrient-rich runoff being pumped down the Caloosahatchee River from
Lake Okechobee is partially to blame for worsening/prolonging the problem.

The Army Corp of Engineers may have contributed to the problem by building a
levee on the south shore of Lake Okeechobee at the request of "Big
Sugar"...so that they could use a bunch of the land to the south of the lake
for agricultural purposes. The problem is that the natural sheet flow of
the water no longer occurs. It is now pumped unnaturally down the rivers
(both East and West), and picks up a bunch of nitrogen-rich runoff from the
sugar cane fields.

South of Naples isn't affected as much by red tide (they get "black water"
from the Shark river runoff). Instead, it's mostly the cities to the south
of the mouth of the Caloosahatchee: Ft. Myers, South Sanibel, Cape Coral,
Estero, Bonita Springs, and Naples.

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:59:55 +0000, NOYB wrote:


The Army Corp of Engineers may have contributed to the problem by building
a levee on the south shore of Lake Okeechobee at the request of "Big
Sugar"...so that they could use a bunch of the land to the south of the
lake for agricultural purposes. The problem is that the natural sheet
flow of the water no longer occurs. It is now pumped unnaturally down the
rivers (both East and West), and picks up a bunch of nitrogen-rich runoff
from the sugar cane fields.

I thought they were plans to curb the river runoffs and increase the
Everglades (sheeting) flow. What happened?