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On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 13:05:36 GMT, bb wrote:
On 7 Sep 2005 05:54:08 -0700, wrote: My dig was not at his politics but at the entire hollywood mentality of getting publicity at any price. Yeah, it's unimaginable that some folks could actually care, and give a little back. Certainly it must all be self serving. bb Did you know that Oprah visited the Astrodome? She apparently didn't take her own photographer nor make political comments. In other words, she was acting selfless, not self-serving. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... bb wrote: On 7 Sep 2005 08:00:36 -0700, wrote: "Wow, people suffering, i bet I can get publicity from this", otherwise, why the personal photographer? Was that Sean's personal photographer, or one of the usual photographers who's always tailing any celebrity? Didn't Bush have photographers all over him? Was that a publicity stunt? Wouldnt it have made more sense for him to pay someone who actually knows Search and Rescue to work? Do you know that he hasn't? There are people who will respond to folks like Sean who wouldn't cooperate with the authorities. Here's a good article about a guy who's been able to help people who wouldn't otherwise accept assistance, it's a good read: http://www.sptimes.com/2005/09/07/Wo...in_a_sil.shtml This guy also had a photographer follow him around and I don't think he's doing it for any personal gain. But, he wouldnt have gotten the publicuty then, so it looks like a publicity stunt at the expense of other peoples suffering. No matter what Sean, or Oprah, or anyone else in the same league do, it get's lots of attention. That shouldn't preclude them from helping if that's what they want to do, and have the ability to do. Give the guy a break, he's trying to help. bb If Oprah were President, hot meals would have been served up in NO the day after the hurricane. Ms. Winfrey has every attribute necessary to be POTUS, and is certainly more qualified than Idiot Boy Bush. -- - - - George W. Bush, our hero! The Double Disaster: Katrina and Bush's pitiful response. And she would also be a much better president, than anybody the DNC is thinking of running or has run in the last 40 years. |
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:50:00 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... bb wrote: On 7 Sep 2005 08:00:36 -0700, wrote: "Wow, people suffering, i bet I can get publicity from this", otherwise, why the personal photographer? Was that Sean's personal photographer, or one of the usual photographers who's always tailing any celebrity? Didn't Bush have photographers all over him? Was that a publicity stunt? Wouldnt it have made more sense for him to pay someone who actually knows Search and Rescue to work? Do you know that he hasn't? There are people who will respond to folks like Sean who wouldn't cooperate with the authorities. Here's a good article about a guy who's been able to help people who wouldn't otherwise accept assistance, it's a good read: http://www.sptimes.com/2005/09/07/Wo...in_a_sil.shtml This guy also had a photographer follow him around and I don't think he's doing it for any personal gain. But, he wouldnt have gotten the publicuty then, so it looks like a publicity stunt at the expense of other peoples suffering. No matter what Sean, or Oprah, or anyone else in the same league do, it get's lots of attention. That shouldn't preclude them from helping if that's what they want to do, and have the ability to do. Give the guy a break, he's trying to help. bb If Oprah were President, hot meals would have been served up in NO the day after the hurricane. Ms. Winfrey has every attribute necessary to be POTUS, and is certainly more qualified than Idiot Boy Bush. -- - - - George W. Bush, our hero! The Double Disaster: Katrina and Bush's pitiful response. And she would also be a much better president, than anybody the DNC is thinking of running or has run in the last 40 years. I'd buy that! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 12:12:26 -0400, PocoLoco
wrote: Did you know that Oprah visited the Astrodome? Yes I did. I saw her on TV also. She apparently didn't take her own photographer nor make political comments. Was that's Sean's personal photographer? And if Sean made political comments, and they were pro Bush, you and your buds would be singing his high praises. In other words, she was acting selfless, not self-serving. Is this the same Oprah who made such a splash bitching about a store not opening after hours for her? Seems you righties were all over her for that one, but now she's a hero. bb |
I admit, I am seriously out of touch culturally and cannot tell one
actor or celeb from another, The only movies I ever see are little kid movies so my fav actors are the penguins in "Madagascar" and Puss n Boots in Shrek 2. They make sense to me, paying attention to some person just cuz they have beautuful face puzzles me no end. I know Oprah does book reviews and appears on magazine covers but can she do anything? Does she know how to turn polluted water into clean drinking water? Did she give a lot of money or something, even then, did she need to be there or was it just a case of disaster touristing. I considere driving over to Ocean Springs with my engineer but realized that I would be more of a liability than assett. I may really know some useful stuff but I think they needed somebody who deals with people better so my machinist (a former NYC cop and all round personable guy) went instead. I'd say that even if you do give money, if somebody else would be better than you to help, send them. There's enough gawkers and publicity hounds in this universe. |
Red Cloud,
Sean Penn very rarely travels with a professional photographer, and actually is offended when his picture is taken when he is not working. If his first objective was to save lives, he would not hired a professional photographer to take up valuable space in a small boat. I am glad that Sean Penn volunteered to help, and it really doesn't matter why he did, he did help some people who needed it. I was just agreeing with Dbohara that it appears to be a publicity stunt". Since you asked about my own contribution to helping the refugees, besides a donation to Salvation Army, I volunteered (and worked 60 hrs ) with a church organization finding homes for those displaced by the hurricane. I had to get back to work on Tuesday, but I hope to take more time off next week to volunteer again. While we were able to find many homes, it is a drop in the bucket to what needs to be done. "Red Cloud©" wrote in message ... On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:20:12 -0400, "Starbucks" wrote: Harry, You need to learn how to read for content. Dbohara did not say he could read Sean Penn's mind, he said since the photographer was taking up space that could have been used for search or rescue specialist, or the space on his boat could be used for someone rescued "it appears to be a publicity stunt". Since the photographer was making the pictures available to be published, it does appear to be a publicity stunt. Senn Penn ALWAYS travels with a personal photographer. He's in show business. That's what he does for a living. Did you bring a photographer when you traveled to NO at your own expense to try and help? I wouldn't count it against you either, as long as you were doing SOMETHING other than criticizing those who were doing a hell of a lot more than you are. rusty redcloud "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... wrote: It appears to many of us to simply be a case of: "Wow, people suffering, i bet I can get publicity from this", otherwise, why the personal photographer? Wouldnt it have made more sense for him to pay someone who actually knows Search and Rescue to work? But, he wouldnt have gotten the publicuty then, so it looks like a publicity stunt at the expense of other peoples suffering. In addition to your other talents, you're a mind reader? -- - - - George W. Bush, our hero! "It's totally wiped out. ... It's devastating, it's got to be doubly devastating on the ground." |
bb,
When the POTUS shows up at a disaster sight, it absolutely is a PR stunt. There is nothing a president can do by visiting the disaster that can not be done by using the specialists and reviewing the reports from area. The PR stunt is done to show the public that the government is concerned and is working to help solve the problem. If you read this NG in the past week, you can see how desperately those who are critical of the current administration, wanted Bush to make the obligatory "tour of the disaster area". I am glad Sean Penn volunteered to help, but he would have saved a few more lives if the boat was reserved for the refugees or people who can help with the rescue effort. "bb" wrote in message ... On 7 Sep 2005 08:00:36 -0700, wrote: "Wow, people suffering, i bet I can get publicity from this", otherwise, why the personal photographer? Was that Sean's personal photographer, or one of the usual photographers who's always tailing any celebrity? Didn't Bush have photographers all over him? Was that a publicity stunt? Wouldnt it have made more sense for him to pay someone who actually knows Search and Rescue to work? Do you know that he hasn't? There are people who will respond to folks like Sean who wouldn't cooperate with the authorities. Here's a good article about a guy who's been able to help people who wouldn't otherwise accept assistance, it's a good read: http://www.sptimes.com/2005/09/07/Wo...in_a_sil.shtml This guy also had a photographer follow him around and I don't think he's doing it for any personal gain. But, he wouldnt have gotten the publicuty then, so it looks like a publicity stunt at the expense of other peoples suffering. No matter what Sean, or Oprah, or anyone else in the same league do, it get's lots of attention. That shouldn't preclude them from helping if that's what they want to do, and have the ability to do. Give the guy a break, he's trying to help. bb |
Opra runs a very large, successful business empire. In other words, a good
manager, with some common sense and in touch with the majority of the people values in this country. A more middle of the road person, slightly to the left. Not the extremes we are getting from the major parties. wrote in message oups.com... I admit, I am seriously out of touch culturally and cannot tell one actor or celeb from another, The only movies I ever see are little kid movies so my fav actors are the penguins in "Madagascar" and Puss n Boots in Shrek 2. They make sense to me, paying attention to some person just cuz they have beautuful face puzzles me no end. I know Oprah does book reviews and appears on magazine covers but can she do anything? Does she know how to turn polluted water into clean drinking water? Did she give a lot of money or something, even then, did she need to be there or was it just a case of disaster touristing. I considere driving over to Ocean Springs with my engineer but realized that I would be more of a liability than assett. I may really know some useful stuff but I think they needed somebody who deals with people better so my machinist (a former NYC cop and all round personable guy) went instead. I'd say that even if you do give money, if somebody else would be better than you to help, send them. There's enough gawkers and publicity hounds in this universe. |
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:11:46 GMT, bb wrote:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 12:12:26 -0400, PocoLoco wrote: Did you know that Oprah visited the Astrodome? Yes I did. I saw her on TV also. She apparently didn't take her own photographer nor make political comments. Was that's Sean's personal photographer? And if Sean made political comments, and they were pro Bush, you and your buds would be singing his high praises. In other words, she was acting selfless, not self-serving. Is this the same Oprah who made such a splash bitching about a store not opening after hours for her? Seems you righties were all over her for that one, but now she's a hero. bb How did she become a hero? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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