"OlBlueEyes" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote in
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Why do you think the oil market is a rational market?

The "oil market" is not a "market" at all. Insane extremists have
prevented the construction of a single refinery over the past 20 years;
they have prevented the exploration of alternative sources of oil offshore
and in the remote arctic tundra; they have demanded a patchwork of FORTY
DIFFERENT blends of vehicle fuel, straining those limited refining
capabilities to the breaking point.

The present energy crisis is 100% the work of insane extremists. And YOU
are one of them.

Why have these extremists prevented the building of new refineries? I need
details.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"OlBlueEyes" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote in
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Why do you think the oil market is a rational market?

The "oil market" is not a "market" at all. Insane extremists have
prevented the construction of a single refinery over the past 20 years;
they have prevented the exploration of alternative sources of oil
offshore
and in the remote arctic tundra; they have demanded a patchwork of FORTY
DIFFERENT blends of vehicle fuel, straining those limited refining
capabilities to the breaking point.

The present energy crisis is 100% the work of insane extremists. And YOU
are one of them.

Why have these extremists prevented the building of new refineries? I need
details.


I wonder if I'm one of the insane extremists. You see, I live in
California. I've surfed and sailed and played on the coast, the beaches,
the waters of California for more than 30 years now. When the republican
presidents propose drilling off the California coast, I always say no thank
you. I like my California coastal areas just the way they are and I
believe, right or wrong, that drilling off the coast will ruin the beauty of
the coast for me (actually, all of us, but I don't want to speak for
others). So, maybe I'm one of the extremists. Sorry, insane extremists.
Or maybe the reference is to someone else. I'm never quite sure where I fit
because on some environmental issues I'm pro, others con, and I've voted for
both republican and democratic presidential candidates. I even voted for an
independent once! Shhh.

"Bryan" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"OlBlueEyes" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote in
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Why do you think the oil market is a rational market?

The "oil market" is not a "market" at all. Insane extremists have
prevented the construction of a single refinery over the past 20 years;
they have prevented the exploration of alternative sources of oil
offshore
and in the remote arctic tundra; they have demanded a patchwork of FORTY
DIFFERENT blends of vehicle fuel, straining those limited refining
capabilities to the breaking point.

The present energy crisis is 100% the work of insane extremists. And
YOU
are one of them.

Why have these extremists prevented the building of new refineries? I
need details.


I wonder if I'm one of the insane extremists. You see, I live in
California. I've surfed and sailed and played on the coast, the beaches,
the waters of California for more than 30 years now. When the republican
presidents propose drilling off the California coast, I always say no
thank you. I like my California coastal areas just the way they are and I
believe, right or wrong, that drilling off the coast will ruin the beauty
of the coast for me (actually, all of us, but I don't want to speak for
others). So, maybe I'm one of the extremists. Sorry, insane extremists.
Or maybe the reference is to someone else. I'm never quite sure where I
fit because on some environmental issues I'm pro, others con, and I've
voted for both republican and democratic presidential candidates. I even
voted for an independent once! Shhh.


OK, but we're talking about refineries. I'm wondering if blueeyes can
explain to me why some people don't want any more refineries built. I
honestly don't know.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Bryan" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"OlBlueEyes" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote in
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Why do you think the oil market is a rational market?

The "oil market" is not a "market" at all. Insane extremists have
prevented the construction of a single refinery over the past 20 years;
they have prevented the exploration of alternative sources of oil
offshore
and in the remote arctic tundra; they have demanded a patchwork of
FORTY
DIFFERENT blends of vehicle fuel, straining those limited refining
capabilities to the breaking point.

The present energy crisis is 100% the work of insane extremists. And
YOU
are one of them.

Why have these extremists prevented the building of new refineries? I
need details.


I wonder if I'm one of the insane extremists. You see, I live in
California. I've surfed and sailed and played on the coast, the beaches,
the waters of California for more than 30 years now. When the republican
presidents propose drilling off the California coast, I always say no
thank you. I like my California coastal areas just the way they are and
I believe, right or wrong, that drilling off the coast will ruin the
beauty of the coast for me (actually, all of us, but I don't want to
speak for others). So, maybe I'm one of the extremists. Sorry, insane
extremists. Or maybe the reference is to someone else. I'm never quite
sure where I fit because on some environmental issues I'm pro, others
con, and I've voted for both republican and democratic presidential
candidates. I even voted for an independent once! Shhh.


OK, but we're talking about refineries. I'm wondering if blueeyes can
explain to me why some people don't want any more refineries built. I
honestly don't know.


That's a great question. I don't know anyone, personally, that is against
building a refinery. We're against drilling off the California coast, but
there's no real reason anyone could object to a refinery. I'm guilty of not
wanting one in my backyard, and that's probably a pretty general sentiment,
but another refinery where they already exist or won't impact existing
homes/home prices isn't on the general hit list around these parts. I
didnt' realize anyone was stopping refineries from being built; I just
thought they weren't built due to lack of foresight.

"Bryan" wrote in message
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but there's no real reason anyone could object to a refinery.

blueeyes is going to tell us why. I guess he's busy at the moment.

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:07:11 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


Why have these extremists prevented the building of new refineries? I need
details.

LOL, Rush must be talking up those evil environmentalists, again. It
isn't environmentalists that are the problem, it's profitability. Oil
companies haven't been building refineries, they have been closing them,
24 between 1995 and 2001.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...ining_text.htm

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:...2+oil+& hl=en

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:07:11 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


Why have these extremists prevented the building of new refineries? I
need
details.

LOL, Rush must be talking up those evil environmentalists, again. It
isn't environmentalists that are the problem, it's profitability. Oil
companies haven't been building refineries, they have been closing them,
24 between 1995 and 2001.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...ining_text.htm

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:...2+oil+& hl=en



OK...time out. That second source says the oil companies are looking for
government incentives to build more refineries which, according to their
internal documents, they do not need.

Wow. I'm really confused now. They'll get paid to open new facilities, and
then probably close them again.