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basskisser June 9th 04 12:59 PM

Another Gorgeous Bay Day!
 
John H wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 01:05:46 GMT, (Steven Shelikoff) wrote:

On 7 Jun 2004 07:01:58 -0700,
(basskisser) wrote:

"John Smith" wrote in message news:VLJvc.6569$uY.186@attbi_s53...
"basskisser" wrote in message
Easy, go here, simpleton
http://www.gore-tex.com You'll see there is
NO Gore-Tex thread. Now, if you believe there is, show me some.


I don't know why you can't find the info yourself, but let me help you.

Here is a link showing the benefits of Gore-Tex sewing thread on a boat
cover or awning.

from: http://www.americana.com/fabricawnings/goretex.htm

"We know that GORE-TEX® sewing thread never fails due to
exposure to the environment. We back up that claim with a full lifetime
warranty. If the seams on your boat cover or awning fail before the end of
the usual life of the fabric, we'll pay for the repair work."

Bass, do you ever get tired of being wrong?

You are wrong. I want to see from GORE-TEX'S OWN WEBSITE a reference
to "Gore-Tex thread". Now, I understand that a lot of people use the
words Gore-Tex
generically. I care not about that. NOYB SPECIFICALLY stated "Gore-Tex
thread". The website for Gore-Tex Inc. states no such thing.


I gave that to you. Only they call it Gore-Tex Suture. Now, if you
want to argue the suture means something different than thread, go right
ahead. But you'll lose that also since in this case, the suture *is*
thread used to surgically close wounds or join tissues.

Steve


You probably won't hear much from him on this topic anymore. He sounded pretty
embarrassed and disheveled with his last post.

John H

Please show me anywhere on Gore-tex's website where they say ANYTHING about
"Gore-Tex thread", okay, child pornographer?

basskisser June 9th 04 01:01 PM

Another Gorgeous Bay Day!
 
(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...
On 7 Jun 2004 07:01:58 -0700,
(basskisser) wrote:

"John Smith" wrote in message news:VLJvc.6569$uY.186@attbi_s53...
"basskisser" wrote in message
Easy, go here, simpleton
http://www.gore-tex.com You'll see there is
NO Gore-Tex thread. Now, if you believe there is, show me some.


I don't know why you can't find the info yourself, but let me help you.

Here is a link showing the benefits of Gore-Tex sewing thread on a boat
cover or awning.

from: http://www.americana.com/fabricawnings/goretex.htm

"We know that GORE-TEX® sewing thread never fails due to
exposure to the environment. We back up that claim with a full lifetime
warranty. If the seams on your boat cover or awning fail before the end of
the usual life of the fabric, we'll pay for the repair work."

Bass, do you ever get tired of being wrong?


You are wrong. I want to see from GORE-TEX'S OWN WEBSITE a reference
to "Gore-Tex thread". Now, I understand that a lot of people use the
words Gore-Tex
generically. I care not about that. NOYB SPECIFICALLY stated "Gore-Tex
thread". The website for Gore-Tex Inc. states no such thing.


I gave that to you. Only they call it Gore-Tex Suture. Now, if you
want to argue the suture means something different than thread, go right
ahead. But you'll lose that also since in this case, the suture *is*
thread used to surgically close wounds or join tissues.

Steve


Please show where, on Gore-Tex's website, they say anything about
"Gore-Tex thread". You are losing track of the post. NOYB stated that
some boat manuf. use "Gore-Tex thread" for stitching seat cushions,
etc. Now, do you REALLY think that he meant Gore-Tex sutures????

Steven Shelikoff June 9th 04 01:58 PM

Another Gorgeous Bay Day!
 
On 9 Jun 2004 05:01:39 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message ...
On 7 Jun 2004 07:01:58 -0700,
(basskisser) wrote:

"John Smith" wrote in message news:VLJvc.6569$uY.186@attbi_s53...
"basskisser" wrote in message
Easy, go here, simpleton
http://www.gore-tex.com You'll see there is
NO Gore-Tex thread. Now, if you believe there is, show me some.


I don't know why you can't find the info yourself, but let me help you.

Here is a link showing the benefits of Gore-Tex sewing thread on a boat
cover or awning.

from: http://www.americana.com/fabricawnings/goretex.htm

"We know that GORE-TEX® sewing thread never fails due to
exposure to the environment. We back up that claim with a full lifetime
warranty. If the seams on your boat cover or awning fail before the end of
the usual life of the fabric, we'll pay for the repair work."

Bass, do you ever get tired of being wrong?

You are wrong. I want to see from GORE-TEX'S OWN WEBSITE a reference
to "Gore-Tex thread". Now, I understand that a lot of people use the
words Gore-Tex
generically. I care not about that. NOYB SPECIFICALLY stated "Gore-Tex
thread". The website for Gore-Tex Inc. states no such thing.


I gave that to you. Only they call it Gore-Tex Suture. Now, if you
want to argue the suture means something different than thread, go right
ahead. But you'll lose that also since in this case, the suture *is*
thread used to surgically close wounds or join tissues.


Please show where, on Gore-Tex's website, they say anything about
"Gore-Tex thread". You are losing track of the post. NOYB stated that
some boat manuf. use "Gore-Tex thread" for stitching seat cushions,
etc. Now, do you REALLY think that he meant Gore-Tex sutures????


http://www.goremedical.com/English/P...ture/Index.htm

And yes, Gore-Tex Suture is thread. Many people use the term
interchangably and there's nothing wrong with that. Even Gore-Tex uses
the term interchangably on their own website when they mention the
"needle-to-thread diameter ratio" when talking about their suture. If
they wished to differentiate their produce from thread in any way, they
would have said "needle-to-suture diameter ratio." But they didn't,
they specifically called their Gore-Tex product both "thread" and
"suture" in the same paragraph.

Steve

P.S., it doesn't really matter what NYOB meant. The fact is that you
are wrong ... Gore-Tex does make thread and, as you requested, it's
shown on their website.

NOYB June 9th 04 01:58 PM

Another Gorgeous Bay Day!
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message

...
On 7 Jun 2004 07:01:58 -0700,
(basskisser) wrote:

"John Smith" wrote in message

news:VLJvc.6569$uY.186@attbi_s53...
"basskisser" wrote in message
Easy, go here, simpleton
http://www.gore-tex.com You'll see there
is
NO Gore-Tex thread. Now, if you believe there is, show me some.


I don't know why you can't find the info yourself, but let me help

you.

Here is a link showing the benefits of Gore-Tex sewing thread on a

boat
cover or awning.

from: http://www.americana.com/fabricawnings/goretex.htm

"We know that GORE-TEX® sewing thread never fails due to
exposure to the environment. We back up that claim with a full

lifetime
warranty. If the seams on your boat cover or awning fail before the

end of
the usual life of the fabric, we'll pay for the repair work."

Bass, do you ever get tired of being wrong?

You are wrong. I want to see from GORE-TEX'S OWN WEBSITE a reference
to "Gore-Tex thread". Now, I understand that a lot of people use the
words Gore-Tex
generically. I care not about that. NOYB SPECIFICALLY stated "Gore-Tex
thread". The website for Gore-Tex Inc. states no such thing.


I gave that to you. Only they call it Gore-Tex Suture. Now, if you
want to argue the suture means something different than thread, go right
ahead. But you'll lose that also since in this case, the suture *is*
thread used to surgically close wounds or join tissues.

Steve


Please show where, on Gore-Tex's website, they say anything about
"Gore-Tex thread". You are losing track of the post. NOYB stated that
some boat manuf. use "Gore-Tex thread" for stitching seat cushions,
etc. Now, do you REALLY think that he meant Gore-Tex sutures????


Are you that stupid!?!? W.L. Gore and Associates introduced Gore-Tex thread
in the mid 80's.
At that time, they apparently called it Gore-Tex thread.

They've since changed the name to "Tenara"...so you will not find it listed
as "Gore-Tex thread"
on their website. However, here are a number of links discussing "Gore-Tex
thread", several of
which mention a change in the name to Tenara:

"At about the same time, GORE-TEX thread (now known as TENARA) was
introduced in a strength compatible for the rigors of a marine enclosure "
http://www.ez2cy.com/other_enclosures/e_printable.html

"Offering the best in materials, 316 stainless steel tubing & hardware, UV
impervious Tenara (formerly Gore Tex) thread"
http://coastlinememories.com/gemini.canvas.ad.html

" The seat cushions are made from heavy, comfortable 40-ounce vinyl,
stitched with weatherproof Gore-Tex thread"
http://www.boatingmag.com/article.as...article_id=152


"Doyle Caribbean was the first and is still the only manufacturer to
exclusively use Gore-TexT thread for all new canvas and repairs - a thread
that is guaranteed for life."
http://www.doylesails.com/lofts-na-tortola.htm

FINISHING SUPPLIES.
a.. Acrylic Binding Tape, 3/4"& 1"
b.. Vinyl Binding Tape, 3/4"
c.. Cord & Ropes
d.. Bobbins
e.. Double Sided Seaming Tape
f.. VELCRO/ Hook and Loop
g.. 3M Spray Adhesives
h.. Thread: Anti-Wick and UVR
i.. GORE-TEX Thread
http://www.mobilecanvas.com/bainbridge.html


"Has anyone been using Gore-tex thread in textile conservation? If so, for
what purposes?"
http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byfor.../msg00000.html


"5 year warranty on structural seams sewn with Gore-Tex thread"
and
"Seams are tough enough to last a lifetime sewn with Tenara thread by
Gore-Tex"
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache...hread%22&hl=en


"Structural seams are sewn with Gore-Tex thread, which has a lifetime
warranty."
http://www.davebang.com/shelter.htm


There are at least 72 instances on google where you can find "Gore-Tex
thread"...and most
of them deal with its use in marine applications.




John Smith June 9th 04 03:30 PM

Another Gorgeous Bay Day!
 
I think this thread would qualify as proof that Basskisser has FAS.


"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message

...
On 7 Jun 2004 07:01:58 -0700,
(basskisser) wrote:

"John Smith" wrote in message

news:VLJvc.6569$uY.186@attbi_s53...
"basskisser" wrote in message
Easy, go here, simpleton
http://www.gore-tex.com You'll see there
is
NO Gore-Tex thread. Now, if you believe there is, show me some.


I don't know why you can't find the info yourself, but let me help

you.

Here is a link showing the benefits of Gore-Tex sewing thread on a

boat
cover or awning.

from: http://www.americana.com/fabricawnings/goretex.htm

"We know that GORE-TEX® sewing thread never fails due to
exposure to the environment. We back up that claim with a full

lifetime
warranty. If the seams on your boat cover or awning fail before the

end of
the usual life of the fabric, we'll pay for the repair work."

Bass, do you ever get tired of being wrong?

You are wrong. I want to see from GORE-TEX'S OWN WEBSITE a reference
to "Gore-Tex thread". Now, I understand that a lot of people use the
words Gore-Tex
generically. I care not about that. NOYB SPECIFICALLY stated "Gore-Tex
thread". The website for Gore-Tex Inc. states no such thing.


I gave that to you. Only they call it Gore-Tex Suture. Now, if you
want to argue the suture means something different than thread, go right
ahead. But you'll lose that also since in this case, the suture *is*
thread used to surgically close wounds or join tissues.

Steve


Please show where, on Gore-Tex's website, they say anything about
"Gore-Tex thread". You are losing track of the post. NOYB stated that
some boat manuf. use "Gore-Tex thread" for stitching seat cushions,
etc. Now, do you REALLY think that he meant Gore-Tex sutures????




NOYB June 9th 04 05:40 PM

Another Gorgeous Bay Day!
 

"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...
On 9 Jun 2004 05:01:39 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message

...
On 7 Jun 2004 07:01:58 -0700,
(basskisser) wrote:

"John Smith" wrote in message

news:VLJvc.6569$uY.186@attbi_s53...
"basskisser" wrote in message
Easy, go here, simpleton
http://www.gore-tex.com You'll see there
is
NO Gore-Tex thread. Now, if you believe there is, show me some.


I don't know why you can't find the info yourself, but let me help

you.

Here is a link showing the benefits of Gore-Tex sewing thread on a

boat
cover or awning.

from: http://www.americana.com/fabricawnings/goretex.htm

"We know that GORE-TEX® sewing thread never fails due to
exposure to the environment. We back up that claim with a full

lifetime
warranty. If the seams on your boat cover or awning fail before the

end of
the usual life of the fabric, we'll pay for the repair work."

Bass, do you ever get tired of being wrong?

You are wrong. I want to see from GORE-TEX'S OWN WEBSITE a reference
to "Gore-Tex thread". Now, I understand that a lot of people use the
words Gore-Tex
generically. I care not about that. NOYB SPECIFICALLY stated "Gore-Tex
thread". The website for Gore-Tex Inc. states no such thing.

I gave that to you. Only they call it Gore-Tex Suture. Now, if you
want to argue the suture means something different than thread, go

right
ahead. But you'll lose that also since in this case, the suture *is*
thread used to surgically close wounds or join tissues.


Please show where, on Gore-Tex's website, they say anything about
"Gore-Tex thread". You are losing track of the post. NOYB stated that
some boat manuf. use "Gore-Tex thread" for stitching seat cushions,
etc. Now, do you REALLY think that he meant Gore-Tex sutures????


http://www.goremedical.com/English/P...ture/Index.htm

And yes, Gore-Tex Suture is thread. Many people use the term
interchangably and there's nothing wrong with that. Even Gore-Tex uses
the term interchangably on their own website when they mention the
"needle-to-thread diameter ratio" when talking about their suture. If
they wished to differentiate their produce from thread in any way, they
would have said "needle-to-suture diameter ratio." But they didn't,
they specifically called their Gore-Tex product both "thread" and
"suture" in the same paragraph.

Steve

P.S., it doesn't really matter what NYOB meant. The fact is that you
are wrong ... Gore-Tex does make thread and, as you requested, it's
shown on their website.


Here's what likely happened, Steve:
When Gore-Tex introduced its medical thread/suture, there was confusion with
the "Gore-Tex thread" that was used for marine applications. Gore-Tex
apparently changed name of the marine-grade "Gore-Tex thread" to "Tenara" to
differentiate between the two products.

When I said "Gore-tex" thread, I was speaking in terms of the product that
Chaparral uses to stitch the fabric of its seat cushions. I vaguely
remembered reading an article back in 2001 that explained how some
manufacturers employ better materials (such as Gore-Tex thread) on every
item on the boat...thus making them "better" boats. I was not aware that
Gore-tex changed the name of the thread to "Tenara"...and it seems that the
author of the October, 2001 article, and the editor of Boating magazine were
not aware either.

Here's the link:
http://www.boatingmag.com/article.as...article_id=152



John H June 9th 04 05:52 PM

Another Gorgeous Bay Day!
 
On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:40:35 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...
On 9 Jun 2004 05:01:39 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message

...
On 7 Jun 2004 07:01:58 -0700,
(basskisser) wrote:

"John Smith" wrote in message

news:VLJvc.6569$uY.186@attbi_s53...
"basskisser" wrote in message
Easy, go here, simpleton
http://www.gore-tex.com You'll see there
is
NO Gore-Tex thread. Now, if you believe there is, show me some.


I don't know why you can't find the info yourself, but let me help

you.

Here is a link showing the benefits of Gore-Tex sewing thread on a

boat
cover or awning.

from: http://www.americana.com/fabricawnings/goretex.htm

"We know that GORE-TEX® sewing thread never fails due to
exposure to the environment. We back up that claim with a full

lifetime
warranty. If the seams on your boat cover or awning fail before the

end of
the usual life of the fabric, we'll pay for the repair work."

Bass, do you ever get tired of being wrong?

You are wrong. I want to see from GORE-TEX'S OWN WEBSITE a reference
to "Gore-Tex thread". Now, I understand that a lot of people use the
words Gore-Tex
generically. I care not about that. NOYB SPECIFICALLY stated "Gore-Tex
thread". The website for Gore-Tex Inc. states no such thing.

I gave that to you. Only they call it Gore-Tex Suture. Now, if you
want to argue the suture means something different than thread, go

right
ahead. But you'll lose that also since in this case, the suture *is*
thread used to surgically close wounds or join tissues.

Please show where, on Gore-Tex's website, they say anything about
"Gore-Tex thread". You are losing track of the post. NOYB stated that
some boat manuf. use "Gore-Tex thread" for stitching seat cushions,
etc. Now, do you REALLY think that he meant Gore-Tex sutures????


http://www.goremedical.com/English/P...ture/Index.htm

And yes, Gore-Tex Suture is thread. Many people use the term
interchangably and there's nothing wrong with that. Even Gore-Tex uses
the term interchangably on their own website when they mention the
"needle-to-thread diameter ratio" when talking about their suture. If
they wished to differentiate their produce from thread in any way, they
would have said "needle-to-suture diameter ratio." But they didn't,
they specifically called their Gore-Tex product both "thread" and
"suture" in the same paragraph.

Steve

P.S., it doesn't really matter what NYOB meant. The fact is that you
are wrong ... Gore-Tex does make thread and, as you requested, it's
shown on their website.


Here's what likely happened, Steve:
When Gore-Tex introduced its medical thread/suture, there was confusion with
the "Gore-Tex thread" that was used for marine applications. Gore-Tex
apparently changed name of the marine-grade "Gore-Tex thread" to "Tenara" to
differentiate between the two products.

When I said "Gore-tex" thread, I was speaking in terms of the product that
Chaparral uses to stitch the fabric of its seat cushions. I vaguely
remembered reading an article back in 2001 that explained how some
manufacturers employ better materials (such as Gore-Tex thread) on every
item on the boat...thus making them "better" boats. I was not aware that
Gore-tex changed the name of the thread to "Tenara"...and it seems that the
author of the October, 2001 article, and the editor of Boating magazine were
not aware either.

Here's the link:
http://www.boatingmag.com/article.as...article_id=152


There is absolutely no reason to justify any claim you've made that b'asskisser
is refuting. If he's refuting it, then it's most likely true. His debating
abilities fall just below the 8th grade level. Of course, he'll probably ask for
proof, but unless he can find a reputable source which verifies that he isn't a
dip****, I'll stick with my opinion.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

basskisser June 9th 04 08:10 PM

Another Gorgeous Bay Day!
 
"John Smith" wrote in message news:AaFxc.8181$0y.1673@attbi_s03...
I think this thread would qualify as proof that Basskisser has FAS.


Perhaps something is wrong with you, I'll type it slowly, just for
you....
Please show anywhere on Gore-Tex's website that mentions Gore-Tex
thread. Can you? Yes or no.
Now try to keep up here, this gets intense for your narrow mind. The
original post about Gore-Tex thread was from NOYB, and about using it
in boat cushions. Understand? Okay then, what to hell would make
someone even as stupid as YOU think that there are companies using
Gore-Tex Sutures to do that?????

basskisser June 9th 04 08:12 PM

Another Gorgeous Bay Day!
 
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
(Steven Shelikoff) wrote in message

...
On 7 Jun 2004 07:01:58 -0700,
(basskisser) wrote:

"John Smith" wrote in message

news:VLJvc.6569$uY.186@attbi_s53...
"basskisser" wrote in message
Easy, go here, simpleton
http://www.gore-tex.com You'll see there
is
NO Gore-Tex thread. Now, if you believe there is, show me some.


I don't know why you can't find the info yourself, but let me help

you.

Here is a link showing the benefits of Gore-Tex sewing thread on a

boat
cover or awning.

from: http://www.americana.com/fabricawnings/goretex.htm

"We know that GORE-TEX® sewing thread never fails due to
exposure to the environment. We back up that claim with a full

lifetime
warranty. If the seams on your boat cover or awning fail before the

end of
the usual life of the fabric, we'll pay for the repair work."

Bass, do you ever get tired of being wrong?

You are wrong. I want to see from GORE-TEX'S OWN WEBSITE a reference
to "Gore-Tex thread". Now, I understand that a lot of people use the
words Gore-Tex
generically. I care not about that. NOYB SPECIFICALLY stated "Gore-Tex
thread". The website for Gore-Tex Inc. states no such thing.

I gave that to you. Only they call it Gore-Tex Suture. Now, if you
want to argue the suture means something different than thread, go right
ahead. But you'll lose that also since in this case, the suture *is*
thread used to surgically close wounds or join tissues.

Steve


Please show where, on Gore-Tex's website, they say anything about
"Gore-Tex thread". You are losing track of the post. NOYB stated that
some boat manuf. use "Gore-Tex thread" for stitching seat cushions,
etc. Now, do you REALLY think that he meant Gore-Tex sutures????


Are you that stupid!?!? W.L. Gore and Associates introduced Gore-Tex thread
in the mid 80's.
At that time, they apparently called it Gore-Tex thread.

They've since changed the name to "Tenara"...so you will not find it listed
as "Gore-Tex thread"
on their website. However, here are a number of links discussing "Gore-Tex
thread", several of
which mention a change in the name to Tenara:

"At about the same time, GORE-TEX thread (now known as TENARA) was
introduced in a strength compatible for the rigors of a marine enclosure "
http://www.ez2cy.com/other_enclosures/e_printable.html

"Offering the best in materials, 316 stainless steel tubing & hardware, UV
impervious Tenara (formerly Gore Tex) thread"
http://coastlinememories.com/gemini.canvas.ad.html

" The seat cushions are made from heavy, comfortable 40-ounce vinyl,
stitched with weatherproof Gore-Tex thread"
http://www.boatingmag.com/article.as...article_id=152


"Doyle Caribbean was the first and is still the only manufacturer to
exclusively use Gore-TexT thread for all new canvas and repairs - a thread
that is guaranteed for life."
http://www.doylesails.com/lofts-na-tortola.htm

FINISHING SUPPLIES.
a.. Acrylic Binding Tape, 3/4"& 1"
b.. Vinyl Binding Tape, 3/4"
c.. Cord & Ropes
d.. Bobbins
e.. Double Sided Seaming Tape
f.. VELCRO/ Hook and Loop
g.. 3M Spray Adhesives
h.. Thread: Anti-Wick and UVR
i.. GORE-TEX Thread
http://www.mobilecanvas.com/bainbridge.html


"Has anyone been using Gore-tex thread in textile conservation? If so, for
what purposes?"
http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byfor.../msg00000.html


"5 year warranty on structural seams sewn with Gore-Tex thread"
and
"Seams are tough enough to last a lifetime sewn with Tenara thread by
Gore-Tex"
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache...hread%22&hl=en


"Structural seams are sewn with Gore-Tex thread, which has a lifetime
warranty."
http://www.davebang.com/shelter.htm


There are at least 72 instances on google where you can find "Gore-Tex
thread"...and most
of them deal with its use in marine applications.


One more time for the class dolt. Please show anywhere on the Gore-Tex
website where there is any mention of "Gore-Tex thread". Can you do
that? Do you really suppose they use Gore-Tex Suture for boat
cushions?

John Smith June 9th 04 08:53 PM

Another Gorgeous Bay Day!
 
asskisser,
NOYB showed you numerous web sites referring to Gore-Tex thread. The fact
you don't believe them shows that you are inflicted with a severe case of
OCD probably aggravated by your FAS. Do you now want to meet up with some
more people and beat them up because they know you are one sick puppy.

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"John Smith" wrote in message

news:AaFxc.8181$0y.1673@attbi_s03...
I think this thread would qualify as proof that Basskisser has FAS.


Perhaps something is wrong with you, I'll type it slowly, just for
you....
Please show anywhere on Gore-Tex's website that mentions Gore-Tex
thread. Can you? Yes or no.
Now try to keep up here, this gets intense for your narrow mind. The
original post about Gore-Tex thread was from NOYB, and about using it
in boat cushions. Understand? Okay then, what to hell would make
someone even as stupid as YOU think that there are companies using
Gore-Tex Sutures to do that?????





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