what brand boat
 

I plan on buying a used boat this winter. I see that Scout boats
don't use wood for construction but rather some composite material
that does not rot. Are there other manufacturers that do the same
thing? In doing my research, it seems that rotten wood is the main
problem with used boats in which repair costs can soar. For this
reason, I'm thinking a small center console scout will suit my needs
best. Has Scout always used this composite material or do some of the
older boats have wood also?

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 21:04:59 GMT, Charlie Brown
wrote:

I plan on buying a used boat this winter. I see that Scout boats
don't use wood for construction but rather some composite material
that does not rot. Are there other manufacturers that do the same
thing? In doing my research, it seems that rotten wood is the main
problem with used boats in which repair costs can soar. For this
reason, I'm thinking a small center console scout will suit my needs
best. Has Scout always used this composite material or do some of the
older boats have wood also?

add cape horn and sea strike boats to the list, imo.

bb

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
bb wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 21:04:59 GMT, Charlie Brown
wrote:

I plan on buying a used boat this winter. I see that Scout boats
don't use wood for construction but rather some composite material
that does not rot. Are there other manufacturers that do the same
thing? In doing my research, it seems that rotten wood is the main
problem with used boats in which repair costs can soar. For this
reason, I'm thinking a small center console scout will suit my needs
best. Has Scout always used this composite material or do some of the
older boats have wood also?

add cape horn and sea strike boats to the list, imo.

bb


Two of the best sal****er lines made, Grady and Parker, use XL ply for
stringers and in the transom. Wood is a wonderful material for boats if
the right kind is used properly.

Grady only started using XL ply in 1998. That's why you hear so much about
rotting transoms, floors, and bulkheads in older Grady's.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:31:56 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:



Grady only started using XL ply in 1998. That's why you hear so much
about
rotting transoms, floors, and bulkheads in older Grady's.


I haven't heard so much about "rotting transoms, floors, and bulkheads
in older Grady's!"

When should I expect mine to fall apart?

I dunno about yours, Gene. My 1991 Grady Gulfstream had a bulkhead that was
completely rotted out.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:31:56 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


Grady only started using XL ply in 1998. That's why you hear so much
about rotting transoms, floors, and bulkheads in older Grady's.


I haven't heard so much about "rotting transoms, floors, and bulkheads
in older Grady's!"

When should I expect mine to fall apart?



I haven't hear much about it, either. Maybe Hertvik can build you a
computer to test for the date of dissolution. On the cheap, of course.

http://tinyurl.com/7kfd3

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:31:56 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


Grady only started using XL ply in 1998. That's why you hear so much
about rotting transoms, floors, and bulkheads in older Grady's.


I haven't heard so much about "rotting transoms, floors, and bulkheads
in older Grady's!"

When should I expect mine to fall apart?



I haven't hear much about it, either. Maybe Hertvik can build you a
computer to test for the date of dissolution. On the cheap, of course.


Wow, I got dragged into another discussion for no known reason other than
your on going infatuation with me.

So how about it Krause. Care to bet that I can build a faster, better PC
for a cheaper price than you just did? Or are you all talk? Me thinks
so. ;-)

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:01:09 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:31:56 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:



Grady only started using XL ply in 1998. That's why you hear so much
about
rotting transoms, floors, and bulkheads in older Grady's.


I haven't heard so much about "rotting transoms, floors, and bulkheads
in older Grady's!"

When should I expect mine to fall apart?

I dunno about yours, Gene. My 1991 Grady Gulfstream had a bulkhead that
was
completely rotted out.



I think we have discussed that before and I am still at a loss. My
bulkheads are made of a resin based material... not unlike micarta....
heavy as lead, but not susceptible to rot.

My bulkhead was a laminate, almost like laminate counter tops. Everything
under the laminated surface was rotted out plywood.

Fortunately, it wasn't structural. It was simply the wall between the
cockpit and the cabin.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:01:09 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:31:56 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


Grady only started using XL ply in 1998. That's why you hear so much
about
rotting transoms, floors, and bulkheads in older Grady's.

I haven't heard so much about "rotting transoms, floors, and bulkheads
in older Grady's!"

When should I expect mine to fall apart?
I dunno about yours, Gene. My 1991 Grady Gulfstream had a bulkhead
that was
completely rotted out.


I think we have discussed that before and I am still at a loss. My
bulkheads are made of a resin based material... not unlike micarta....
heavy as lead, but not susceptible to rot.

My bulkhead was a laminate, almost like laminate counter tops.
Everything under the laminated surface was rotted out plywood.

Fortunately, it wasn't structural. It was simply the wall between the
cockpit and the cabin.



That old boat wasn't spec'd out by John Hertvik, the guy who claims he can
build better, faster, cheaper computers, without knowing what is wanted?

No. I'm pretty sure they outsourced fabrication of the bulkheads to the
union shop down the street.

Harry Krause wrote:
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in
message ...

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:01:09 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in
message
...

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:31:56 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


Grady only started using XL ply in 1998. That's why you hear so
much
about
rotting transoms, floors, and bulkheads in older Grady's.

I haven't heard so much about "rotting transoms, floors, and
bulkheads
in older Grady's!"

When should I expect mine to fall apart?

I dunno about yours, Gene. My 1991 Grady Gulfstream had a
bulkhead that was
completely rotted out.


I think we have discussed that before and I am still at a loss. My
bulkheads are made of a resin based material... not unlike micarta....
heavy as lead, but not susceptible to rot.

My bulkhead was a laminate, almost like laminate counter tops.
Everything under the laminated surface was rotted out plywood.

Fortunately, it wasn't structural. It was simply the wall between
the cockpit and the cabin.


That old boat wasn't spec'd out by John Hertvik, the guy who claims
he can build better, faster, cheaper computers, without knowing what
is wanted?


No. I'm pretty sure they outsourced fabrication of the bulkheads to
the union shop down the street.




In the Carolinas? Doubtful. More likely, former dental patients from
south Florida.


Or dentists from Indiana/New Jersey who have gone bad and had their
licenses lifted. Since you can get away with almost anything in Florida,
some also setup shop there.

"Don White" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote:
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in
message ...

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:01:09 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in
message
...

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:31:56 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


Grady only started using XL ply in 1998. That's why you hear so
much
about
rotting transoms, floors, and bulkheads in older Grady's.

I haven't heard so much about "rotting transoms, floors, and
bulkheads
in older Grady's!"

When should I expect mine to fall apart?

I dunno about yours, Gene. My 1991 Grady Gulfstream had a bulkhead
that was
completely rotted out.


I think we have discussed that before and I am still at a loss. My
bulkheads are made of a resin based material... not unlike
micarta....
heavy as lead, but not susceptible to rot.

My bulkhead was a laminate, almost like laminate counter tops.
Everything under the laminated surface was rotted out plywood.

Fortunately, it wasn't structural. It was simply the wall between the
cockpit and the cabin.


That old boat wasn't spec'd out by John Hertvik, the guy who claims he
can build better, faster, cheaper computers, without knowing what is
wanted?


No. I'm pretty sure they outsourced fabrication of the bulkheads to the
union shop down the street.




In the Carolinas? Doubtful. More likely, former dental patients from
south Florida.


Or dentists from Indiana/New Jersey who have gone bad and had their
licenses lifted. Since you can get away with almost anything in Florida,
some also setup shop there.

Florida does not have dental license reciprocity with any other states. The
pass rate for out-of-state dentists trying to get licensed in Florida runs
between 10 and 30%. So much for your theory, Don.

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Don White" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote:
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in
message ...

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:01:09 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in
message
...

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:31:56 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


Grady only started using XL ply in 1998. That's why you hear so
much
about
rotting transoms, floors, and bulkheads in older Grady's.

I haven't heard so much about "rotting transoms, floors, and
bulkheads
in older Grady's!"

When should I expect mine to fall apart?

I dunno about yours, Gene. My 1991 Grady Gulfstream had a
bulkhead
that was
completely rotted out.


I think we have discussed that before and I am still at a loss. My
bulkheads are made of a resin based material... not unlike
micarta....
heavy as lead, but not susceptible to rot.

My bulkhead was a laminate, almost like laminate counter tops.
Everything under the laminated surface was rotted out plywood.

Fortunately, it wasn't structural. It was simply the wall between
the
cockpit and the cabin.


That old boat wasn't spec'd out by John Hertvik, the guy who claims
he
can build better, faster, cheaper computers, without knowing what is
wanted?


No. I'm pretty sure they outsourced fabrication of the bulkheads to
the
union shop down the street.




In the Carolinas? Doubtful. More likely, former dental patients from
south Florida.


Or dentists from Indiana/New Jersey who have gone bad and had their
licenses lifted. Since you can get away with almost anything in Florida,
some also setup shop there.

Florida does not have dental license reciprocity with any other states.
The
pass rate for out-of-state dentists trying to get licensed in Florida runs
between 10 and 30%. So much for your theory, Don.

Florida is tougher on most Professional licenses because of the constant
influx of people. They have there own continuing education standards.
Florida's building codes are tougher than amost anywhere else in the country
as well.

donnie is lost in the brown fog rising from harry's ass........he has really
stepped in to make up for kevin's lack of inane posting.

P. Fritz wrote:
snip...

donnie is lost in the brown fog rising from harry's ass........he has really
stepped in to make up for kevin's lack of inane posting.



Versus you, who is matchless at posting crap! You are at the top of the
dung heap.

Harry,
Why don't you tell JimH what you want and need and see if he is able to come
up with a better system? It sounds like you are concerned that he will put
together a better system.

I am curious, why is a successful writer who earns hundreds of dollars an
hour with his writing skills, wasting his time building his own computer.
It would seem you would be much more productive, using your writing skills,
and paying someone $20/hr to assemble your computer.





"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:01:09 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:31:56 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


Grady only started using XL ply in 1998. That's why you hear so much
about
rotting transoms, floors, and bulkheads in older Grady's.

I haven't heard so much about "rotting transoms, floors, and bulkheads
in older Grady's!"

When should I expect mine to fall apart?
I dunno about yours, Gene. My 1991 Grady Gulfstream had a bulkhead
that was
completely rotted out.


I think we have discussed that before and I am still at a loss. My
bulkheads are made of a resin based material... not unlike micarta....
heavy as lead, but not susceptible to rot.

My bulkhead was a laminate, almost like laminate counter tops.
Everything under the laminated surface was rotted out plywood.

Fortunately, it wasn't structural. It was simply the wall between the
cockpit and the cabin.



That old boat wasn't spec'd out by John Hertvik, the guy who claims he can
build better, faster, cheaper computers, without knowing what is wanted?

Harry,
Since you really don't have any computer credential yourself, it seems that
JimH has hit a very sensitive nerve. I am curious, why is a successful
writer who is paid hundreds of dollar and hour to write, wasting his time
building a computer, instead of paying someone with credentials to put it
together. You can have someone with credentials build it for less than you
earn in one hour.

Is it possible you have chased away all of your clients and can't afford it?





"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:31:56 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


Grady only started using XL ply in 1998. That's why you hear so much
about rotting transoms, floors, and bulkheads in older Grady's.

I haven't heard so much about "rotting transoms, floors, and bulkheads
in older Grady's!"

When should I expect mine to fall apart?


I haven't hear much about it, either. Maybe Hertvik can build you a
computer to test for the date of dissolution. On the cheap, of course.


Wow, I got dragged into another discussion for no known reason other than
your on going infatuation with me.

So how about it Krause. Care to bet that I can build a faster, better PC
for a cheaper price than you just did? Or are you all talk? Me thinks
so. ;-)


Oh, sorry. I have you blocked on my main newsreader account.

You're really a piece of work, Hertvik. Why would I retain a
credential-less nincompoop like you to do anything?

Assembling a PC from pieces and parts ain't rocket science. I've been
doing it successfully for 15 years.

*I* could build a faster PC than I did. Why would I need a credential-less
nincompoop like you to help me do that?

*I* could build a better PC than I did (whatever better means) by choosing
different components. But I chose the pieces I wanted for this desktop,
and they perform exactly as I thought they would. Why would I need a
credential-less nincompoop like you to help me do that?

*I* could build a cheaper PC than I did by choosing different pieces and
different suppliers. Why would I need a credential-less nincompoop like
you to help me save a few dollars?

I'm using a top-end ASUS motherboard? You have better? Doubtful. There are
competing, equivalent lines, but ASUS is top-drawer.

I'm using a PC Power & Cooling power supply. There are equivalent brands,
but they're not better.

I bought a LianLi aluminum case. It is the standard in aluminum cases.

I bought a nice, middle of the road, ATI video card. my choice of that
card was deliberate. It does a great job handling my business-related
graphics. I don't run any demanding games.

I have two top-drawer SATA hard drives, including one that runs at 10,000
RPM and is very fast. Tom's Hardware recommendations. They know more than
you do.

Got the top of the line Plextor DVD and CD writer, and a top of the line
Plextor CD-R. You can't do better.

Everything went together in a flash, passed POST the first time I fired it
up, and Win XP Pro found and installed all the correct drivers.

So, again, I ask you: why would I need the help of a credential-less
nincompoop like you?

Starbucks wrote:
Harry,
Since you really don't have any computer credential yourself, it seems that
JimH has hit a very sensitive nerve. I am curious, why is a successful
writer who is paid hundreds of dollar and hour to write, wasting his time
building a computer, instead of paying someone with credentials to put it
together. You can have someone with credentials build it for less than you
earn in one hour.

Is it possible you have chased away all of your clients and can't afford it?


Duh! If you ask, you'll find people in here who work on their own
boats...yet could make more money doing what they do best while hiring
someone else who'll work cheaper.
It's the satisfaction of starting and completing a task yourself.
note: girlie men do not understand this concept.

Don,
I don't disagree with you, but Harry is the person who emphasized the need
for computer credentials. Since Harry does not have "credentials", and he
makes hundreds of dollars an hour, shouldn't he allowed someone with
credentials put together his computer?


"Don White" wrote in message
...
Starbucks wrote:
Harry,
Since you really don't have any computer credential yourself, it seems
that JimH has hit a very sensitive nerve. I am curious, why is a
successful writer who is paid hundreds of dollar and hour to write,
wasting his time building a computer, instead of paying someone with
credentials to put it together. You can have someone with credentials
build it for less than you earn in one hour.

Is it possible you have chased away all of your clients and can't afford
it?


Duh! If you ask, you'll find people in here who work on their own
boats...yet could make more money doing what they do best while hiring
someone else who'll work cheaper.
It's the satisfaction of starting and completing a task yourself.
note: girlie men do not understand this concept.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
Starbucks wrote:
Harry,
Since you really don't have any computer credential yourself, it seems
that JimH has hit a very sensitive nerve. I am curious, why is a
successful writer who is paid hundreds of dollar and hour to write,
wasting his time building a computer, instead of paying someone with
credentials to put it together. You can have someone with credentials
build it for less than you earn in one hour.

Is it possible you have chased away all of your clients and can't afford
it?


Duh! If you ask, you'll find people in here who work on their own
boats...yet could make more money doing what they do best while hiring
someone else who'll work cheaper.
It's the satisfaction of starting and completing a task yourself.
note: girlie men do not understand this concept.


Smithers is playing you, Don. He's trying oh so hard as he always does to
try to get a "rise" out of me, and he's not succeeding, because he's once
again in my dumpster. As if I would take gratuitous advice from a dipstick
like Smithers.

You're mostly correct in your assessment of why I usually assemble my own
PC's. Another reason is that it really isn't very difficult. It took me
about three hours to assemble the components, and the one that took the
most time was the case, since it had so many custom parts. I even
remembered to put the grease between the CPU and its fan.

As I stated previously, I wouldn't let Hertvik squeegee my windshield.

Quote "He's trying oh so hard as he always does to try to get a "rise" out
of me, and he's not succeeding, "

Ditto.

JimH,
The reason Harry can not get a rise out of you, is because you have not
fabricated a fictious life for rec.boats. Harry is so insecure, whenever
someone points out his lack of a lobster boat, a degree from Yale (hell he
went to U of Kansas),a young beautiful wife (I have seen a picture of her,
she is nothing to write home about, his description of her is similar to all
his other lies) or a successful company, he cringes. Have you noticed that
Harry has been on his best behavior (remember we are talking "Harry
Standards") since his latest lies were proven to be lies. The key to
controlling Harry is just keep his ego deflated.


"*JimH*" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
Starbucks wrote:
Harry,
Since you really don't have any computer credential yourself, it seems
that JimH has hit a very sensitive nerve. I am curious, why is a
successful writer who is paid hundreds of dollar and hour to write,
wasting his time building a computer, instead of paying someone with
credentials to put it together. You can have someone with credentials
build it for less than you earn in one hour.

Is it possible you have chased away all of your clients and can't
afford it?


Duh! If you ask, you'll find people in here who work on their own
boats...yet could make more money doing what they do best while hiring
someone else who'll work cheaper.
It's the satisfaction of starting and completing a task yourself.
note: girlie men do not understand this concept.


Smithers is playing you, Don. He's trying oh so hard as he always does to
try to get a "rise" out of me, and he's not succeeding, because he's once
again in my dumpster. As if I would take gratuitous advice from a
dipstick like Smithers.

You're mostly correct in your assessment of why I usually assemble my own
PC's. Another reason is that it really isn't very difficult. It took me
about three hours to assemble the components, and the one that took the
most time was the case, since it had so many custom parts. I even
remembered to put the grease between the CPU and its fan.

As I stated previously, I wouldn't let Hertvik squeegee my windshield.

Quote "He's trying oh so hard as he always does to try to get a "rise" out
of me, and he's not succeeding, "

Ditto.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
Starbucks wrote:
Harry,
Since you really don't have any computer credential yourself, it seems
that JimH has hit a very sensitive nerve. I am curious, why is a
successful writer who is paid hundreds of dollar and hour to write,
wasting his time building a computer, instead of paying someone with
credentials to put it together. You can have someone with credentials
build it for less than you earn in one hour.

Is it possible you have chased away all of your clients and can't
afford it?

Duh! If you ask, you'll find people in here who work on their own
boats...yet could make more money doing what they do best while hiring
someone else who'll work cheaper.
It's the satisfaction of starting and completing a task yourself.
note: girlie men do not understand this concept.

Smithers is playing you, Don. He's trying oh so hard as he always does
to try to get a "rise" out of me, and he's not succeeding, because he's
once again in my dumpster. As if I would take gratuitous advice from a
dipstick like Smithers.

You're mostly correct in your assessment of why I usually assemble my
own PC's. Another reason is that it really isn't very difficult. It took
me about three hours to assemble the components, and the one that took
the most time was the case, since it had so many custom parts. I even
remembered to put the grease between the CPU and its fan.

As I stated previously, I wouldn't let Hertvik squeegee my windshield.

Quote "He's trying oh so hard as he always does to try to get a "rise"
out of me, and he's not succeeding, "

Ditto.


I'm not trying to get anything out of you, dimwit. You made a totally
unsubstantiated claim that implied you had some sort of expertise in
things computer, and that you could assemble a "better, faster computer
for less," or somesuch nonsense.

It's a b.s. claim on your part, and you know it.

What are your "best" prices on P4 Socket 775 CPUs above 3.2 Mhz?


Let me first know what you paid, providing a link. Otherwise, kiss my ass.

JimH,
It looks like you got a rise from Harry. A big rise.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
Starbucks wrote:
Harry,
Since you really don't have any computer credential yourself, it
seems that JimH has hit a very sensitive nerve. I am curious, why
is a successful writer who is paid hundreds of dollar and hour to
write, wasting his time building a computer, instead of paying
someone with credentials to put it together. You can have someone
with credentials build it for less than you earn in one hour.

Is it possible you have chased away all of your clients and can't
afford it?

Duh! If you ask, you'll find people in here who work on their own
boats...yet could make more money doing what they do best while
hiring someone else who'll work cheaper.
It's the satisfaction of starting and completing a task yourself.
note: girlie men do not understand this concept.
Smithers is playing you, Don. He's trying oh so hard as he always does
to try to get a "rise" out of me, and he's not succeeding, because
he's once again in my dumpster. As if I would take gratuitous advice
from a dipstick like Smithers.

You're mostly correct in your assessment of why I usually assemble my
own PC's. Another reason is that it really isn't very difficult. It
took me about three hours to assemble the components, and the one that
took the most time was the case, since it had so many custom parts. I
even remembered to put the grease between the CPU and its fan.

As I stated previously, I wouldn't let Hertvik squeegee my windshield.
Quote "He's trying oh so hard as he always does to try to get a "rise"
out of me, and he's not succeeding, "

Ditto.

I'm not trying to get anything out of you, dimwit. You made a totally
unsubstantiated claim that implied you had some sort of expertise in
things computer, and that you could assemble a "better, faster computer
for less," or somesuch nonsense.

It's a b.s. claim on your part, and you know it.

What are your "best" prices on P4 Socket 775 CPUs above 3.2 Mhz?


Let me first know what you paid, providing a link. Otherwise, kiss my
ass.



But that's the whole point. No matter what anyone pays for anything, it is
pretty likely that someone else can, with minimal or moderate effort, beat
that price by a little or maybe by a lot.

I told you before, my criteria included a DECENT price, not necessarily
the lowest price. I had considerations in addition to price, and these
included a good return policy, decent tech support if I needed it, and a
good reputation on the part of the seller.

I also told you that *I* could beat the price I paid, if I wanted to do
so.

Here's a crumb for you. I paid under $80 for a brand-new, sealed box,
retail Plextor PX-716A. Not a repack, not B goods. A goods.

What's YOUR best price for this piece?

"Starbucks" wrote in message
...
JimH,
It looks like you got a rise from Harry. A big rise.


Yep. He knows I can build a better and faster computer for a better price
than he can.....thus the caveats he is now offering.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
Starbucks wrote:
Harry,
Since you really don't have any computer credential yourself, it
seems that JimH has hit a very sensitive nerve. I am curious, why
is a successful writer who is paid hundreds of dollar and hour to
write, wasting his time building a computer, instead of paying
someone with credentials to put it together. You can have someone
with credentials build it for less than you earn in one hour.

Is it possible you have chased away all of your clients and can't
afford it?

Duh! If you ask, you'll find people in here who work on their own
boats...yet could make more money doing what they do best while
hiring someone else who'll work cheaper.
It's the satisfaction of starting and completing a task yourself.
note: girlie men do not understand this concept.
Smithers is playing you, Don. He's trying oh so hard as he always does
to try to get a "rise" out of me, and he's not succeeding, because
he's once again in my dumpster. As if I would take gratuitous advice
from a dipstick like Smithers.

You're mostly correct in your assessment of why I usually assemble my
own PC's. Another reason is that it really isn't very difficult. It
took me about three hours to assemble the components, and the one that
took the most time was the case, since it had so many custom parts. I
even remembered to put the grease between the CPU and its fan.

As I stated previously, I wouldn't let Hertvik squeegee my windshield.
Quote "He's trying oh so hard as he always does to try to get a "rise"
out of me, and he's not succeeding, "

Ditto.

I'm not trying to get anything out of you, dimwit. You made a totally
unsubstantiated claim that implied you had some sort of expertise in
things computer, and that you could assemble a "better, faster computer
for less," or somesuch nonsense.

It's a b.s. claim on your part, and you know it.

What are your "best" prices on P4 Socket 775 CPUs above 3.2 Mhz?


Let me first know what you paid, providing a link. Otherwise, kiss my
ass.



I paid under $80 for a brand-new, sealed box, retail Plextor PX-716A. Not
a repack, not B goods. A goods.


Bull****. No link, as expected. Just more BS from you.

When was the last time you went boating Krause?

LOL,
Harry they may not be any evidence he can tie his shoes, but there is lots
of evidence that you can't tie your shoes. ; )




"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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*JimH* wrote:
"Starbucks" wrote in message
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JimH,
It looks like you got a rise from Harry. A big rise.


Yep. He knows I can build a better and faster computer for a better
price than he can.....thus the caveats he is now offering.





The wind blew, the crap flew, and in the middle of it, covered with doo...

Jim "Dennis" Hertvik, computer builder to the stooges.

There's no evidence in rec.boats that you can tie your shoes unassisted,
Hertvik.

JimH,
It was a special price his buddy Robert Noyce shipped him as a favor. Harry
has always been instrumental in Intel's success so they felt it was the
least they could do.


"*JimH*" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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*JimH* wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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*JimH* wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
Starbucks wrote:
Harry,
Since you really don't have any computer credential yourself, it
seems that JimH has hit a very sensitive nerve. I am curious, why
is a successful writer who is paid hundreds of dollar and hour to
write, wasting his time building a computer, instead of paying
someone with credentials to put it together. You can have someone
with credentials build it for less than you earn in one hour.

Is it possible you have chased away all of your clients and can't
afford it?

Duh! If you ask, you'll find people in here who work on their own
boats...yet could make more money doing what they do best while
hiring someone else who'll work cheaper.
It's the satisfaction of starting and completing a task yourself.
note: girlie men do not understand this concept.
Smithers is playing you, Don. He's trying oh so hard as he always
does to try to get a "rise" out of me, and he's not succeeding,
because he's once again in my dumpster. As if I would take gratuitous
advice from a dipstick like Smithers.

You're mostly correct in your assessment of why I usually assemble my
own PC's. Another reason is that it really isn't very difficult. It
took me about three hours to assemble the components, and the one
that took the most time was the case, since it had so many custom
parts. I even remembered to put the grease between the CPU and its
fan.

As I stated previously, I wouldn't let Hertvik squeegee my
windshield.
Quote "He's trying oh so hard as he always does to try to get a "rise"
out of me, and he's not succeeding, "

Ditto.

I'm not trying to get anything out of you, dimwit. You made a totally
unsubstantiated claim that implied you had some sort of expertise in
things computer, and that you could assemble a "better, faster computer
for less," or somesuch nonsense.

It's a b.s. claim on your part, and you know it.

What are your "best" prices on P4 Socket 775 CPUs above 3.2 Mhz?


Let me first know what you paid, providing a link. Otherwise, kiss my
ass.



I paid under $80 for a brand-new, sealed box, retail Plextor PX-716A. Not
a repack, not B goods. A goods.


Bull****. No link, as expected. Just more BS from you.

When was the last time you went boating Krause?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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*JimH* wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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*JimH* wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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*JimH* wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
Starbucks wrote:
Harry,
Since you really don't have any computer credential yourself, it
seems that JimH has hit a very sensitive nerve. I am curious, why
is a successful writer who is paid hundreds of dollar and hour to
write, wasting his time building a computer, instead of paying
someone with credentials to put it together. You can have someone
with credentials build it for less than you earn in one hour.

Is it possible you have chased away all of your clients and can't
afford it?

Duh! If you ask, you'll find people in here who work on their own
boats...yet could make more money doing what they do best while
hiring someone else who'll work cheaper.
It's the satisfaction of starting and completing a task yourself.
note: girlie men do not understand this concept.
Smithers is playing you, Don. He's trying oh so hard as he always
does to try to get a "rise" out of me, and he's not succeeding,
because he's once again in my dumpster. As if I would take
gratuitous advice from a dipstick like Smithers.

You're mostly correct in your assessment of why I usually assemble
my own PC's. Another reason is that it really isn't very difficult.
It took me about three hours to assemble the components, and the one
that took the most time was the case, since it had so many custom
parts. I even remembered to put the grease between the CPU and its
fan.

As I stated previously, I wouldn't let Hertvik squeegee my
windshield.
Quote "He's trying oh so hard as he always does to try to get a
"rise" out of me, and he's not succeeding, "

Ditto.
I'm not trying to get anything out of you, dimwit. You made a totally
unsubstantiated claim that implied you had some sort of expertise in
things computer, and that you could assemble a "better, faster
computer for less," or somesuch nonsense.

It's a b.s. claim on your part, and you know it.

What are your "best" prices on P4 Socket 775 CPUs above 3.2 Mhz?

Let me first know what you paid, providing a link. Otherwise, kiss my
ass.


I paid under $80 for a brand-new, sealed box, retail Plextor PX-716A.
Not a repack, not B goods. A goods.


Bull****. No link, as expected. Just more BS from you.

When was the last time you went boating Krause?

Dind't buy the Plextor off an internet store, nor did I say or imply I
did.

I didn't say you did. But most retail stores have internet sites.

I guess you will now tell me that the store you bought it from doesn't.




Boating? Last week. Crummy weather all weekend, rainy.

So when was the last time you were out Krause? I was out Thursday, Friday
and Sunday.



I kinda figured you'd never come up with any prices.


Actually I just made a call and found one for $65.



Why don't you spec out and price a nice P4 Socket 775 box for us, Jim,
just middle of the road, so we know you're for real on this. You
know...your best recommendations for a standard PC, item, price, et
cetera. Use brand names.

Bet you won't.




Yep, I won't.....until you step up to the plate and meet my original bet.

BTW Krause............nice job in ruining what was a nice boating thread.

Idiot.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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*JimH* wrote:


I paid under $80 for a brand-new, sealed box, retail Plextor PX-716A.
Not a repack, not B goods. A goods.

Bull****. No link, as expected. Just more BS from you.

When was the last time you went boating Krause?
Dind't buy the Plextor off an internet store, nor did I say or imply I
did.

I didn't say you did. But most retail stores have internet sites.

I guess you will now tell me that the store you bought it from doesn't.


All I stated was that I did not buy the Plextor from an internet site.







Boating? Last week. Crummy weather all weekend, rainy.

So when was the last time you were out Krause? I was out Thursday,
Friday and Sunday.

I was out last week, but, as I stated, the weather was rainy all weekend,
so I didn't bother.



Good for you. You need to relax on the boat more often.




I kinda figured you'd never come up with any prices.


Actually I just made a call and found one for $65.


Yeah, there are some used ones and repacks on eBay. I saw those.



Nope. Brand spanking new.





Why don't you spec out and price a nice P4 Socket 775 box for us, Jim,
just middle of the road, so we know you're for real on this. You
know...your best recommendations for a standard PC, item, price, et
cetera. Use brand names.

Bet you won't.




Yep, I won't.....until you step up to the plate and meet my original bet.


Not a chance.


I figured as much.

As it now stands it is clear that I can build a faster and higher quality
computer at a lower price than you did. You obviously have no clue about
computers. We already know you don't have a clue about boating.

Hee-hee.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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*JimH* wrote:
BTW Krause............nice job in ruining what was a nice boating thread.

Idiot.


Just following in your footsteps and those of your coterie of crumbs here.

BTW, to what do you attribute your wife's recovery? I mean, it must be a
miracle, eh? You sold off a larger, more comfy boat, you said, because
your wife was suffering from some undisclosed illness, and last week you
picked up a bay bouncer, so I presume that whatever ailed her no longer
does.

Good for her.

Actually her condition is worsening. And you obviously know nothing about
her specific medical condition...what she can do or can't do.

Your post was meant as nothing but a tweak....trying to get a rise out me at
my wife's expense.

You are pathetic Krause.

But we already knew that.

"*JimH*" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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*JimH* wrote:
BTW Krause............nice job in ruining what was a nice boating
thread.

Idiot.


Just following in your footsteps and those of your coterie of crumbs
here.

BTW, to what do you attribute your wife's recovery? I mean, it must be a
miracle, eh? You sold off a larger, more comfy boat, you said, because
your wife was suffering from some undisclosed illness, and last week you
picked up a bay bouncer, so I presume that whatever ailed her no longer
does.

Good for her.

Actually her condition is worsening. And you obviously know nothing about
her specific medical condition...what she can do or can't do.

Your post was meant as nothing but a tweak....trying to get a rise out me
at my wife's expense.

You are pathetic Krause.

But we already knew that.


BTW: Back into the bozo bin you go. I gave you a chance to redeem
yourself....something you are obviously not capable of doing.

You remain a bitter old man Krause. Get help. This short thread with you
showed the NG you need it.

In you go..................*Plonk*

Harry Krause wrote:
*JimH* wrote:

BTW Krause............nice job in ruining what was a nice boating thread.

Idiot.



Just following in your footsteps and those of your coterie of crumbs here.

BTW, to what do you attribute your wife's recovery? I mean, it must be
a miracle, eh? You sold off a larger, more comfy boat, you said, because
your wife was suffering from some undisclosed illness, and last week you
picked up a bay bouncer, so I presume that whatever ailed her no longer
does.

Good for her.

I asked the same question a week or so ago.
He got upset and ranted how dare I question his wife's condition etc.
Lets see if he gives you a civil truthful answer.

*JimH* wrote:
BTW Krause............nice job in ruining what was a nice boating thread.

Idiot.



Come on now, don't be so modest; you and a couple other posters should
share in the credit for it. Thanks for your help in making rec.boats
"All Harry, all the time!"

Do you figure you'll ignore Harry for about the same amount of time you
were on the high road? I'll bet you can'r resist replying to his posts,
and I pay my bets almost as well as Harry.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:02:22 GMT, Don White
wrote:


I asked the same question a week or so ago.
He got upset and ranted how dare I question his wife's condition etc.
Lets see if he gives you a civil truthful answer.

C'mon guys... that just isn't an appropriate place to go. If he's
lying, shame on him.... in any case, shame on you....

I am not lying Gene. Why this ever became a personal issue with my wifes
medical condition is beyond me...especially when they know nothing about the
problems she has to endure.

It actually sickens me that some stoop so low as to bring my wife into
things.

But why am I not surprised?

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:31:56 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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bb wrote:

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 21:04:59 GMT, Charlie Brown
wrote:


I plan on buying a used boat this winter. I see that Scout boats
don't use wood for construction but rather some composite material
that does not rot. Are there other manufacturers that do the same
thing? In doing my research, it seems that rotten wood is the main
problem with used boats in which repair costs can soar. For this
reason, I'm thinking a small center console scout will suit my needs
best. Has Scout always used this composite material or do some of the
older boats have wood also?

add cape horn and sea strike boats to the list, imo.

bb


Two of the best sal****er lines made, Grady and Parker, use XL ply for
stringers and in the transom. Wood is a wonderful material for boats if
the right kind is used properly.

Grady only started using XL ply in 1998. That's why you hear so much about
rotting transoms, floors, and bulkheads in older Grady's.


I'm surprised at that. It's got to be a more expensive alternative to
just making composite stringers.



I am no expert - But I have been looking into replacing our 21 ft cuddy
with a bowrider since our usage has changed. ie we now have a little
place on a lake we like and no longer need the cuddy.

That being said the all-glass vs wood construction topic has my
attention. Our current boat (a 1995 Crownline 210ccr) has glass
encapsolated wood stringers. Wood in the transom, and plywood with resin
w/carpet over the floor in the cockpit. There are not any soft spots or
signs of rot and delamination. It has been stored for most of it's life
on the trailer with not in use and covered with either a mooring cover
or sometimes a just cockpit cover.

Thus I agree that is done correctly, I do not think wood is inherently
evil. But if done incorrectly I am sure it can be a nightmare. One also
has to consider how well you take care of the boat - just like anything
else.

From some of the web pages I have visited ebbtide has a interesting
statment in defense of using wood in the construction of boat..

This is from there site: - http://www.ebbtideboats.com/lasting.asp

The myth about wood-free boats
If you’re reading this page, you are seriously searching for the best
built boat. In that search you’ve heard about wood-free boats. There are
man-made materials out there that some manufacturers use in place of
solid wood stringers and they are touted as rot-free. What is not
generally discussed is the effect non-wood stringers have on the ride
and long term durability of the boat. Our Dura-Core system gives you the
perfect combination of a solid, stable, and quiet ride. If there were a
better substance for the stringer system than wood, we’d use it. Unlike
man-made materials, wood stringers have the flexible memory to absorb
shock and vibration, they do not transfer sound, they’re heavier and
provide a more solid ride, and they take rough seas better. Another
strength of the solid Perma-Panel treated wood stringer is that the bond
of the fiberglass material penetrates wood deeper than the surface-only
bond of the man-made material. Our competitors mention rot as a problem.
If you look closely at our manufacturing techniques, you’ll see that our
stringers are completely encapsulated with resin and glass, then each
grid is filled with closed-cell flotation foam, creating a completely
unitized hull structure. We’re so confident in our Dura-Core hulls, we
provide a limited lifetime transom and stringer warranty and a ten-year
hull warranty. Just remember, we’ve been building boats for 40 years the
methodical handcrafted way... not the faster, less costly way.
end from Ebbtids site

I know this is advertising from their site, but they do make some good
points. I reaize we are looking to very different types os boats. I just
thought I would toss this out for some consideration.

Capt Jack R..

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:24:15 GMT, Don White wrote:

P. Fritz wrote:
snip...

donnie is lost in the brown fog rising from harry's ass........he has really
stepped in to make up for kevin's lack of inane posting.



Versus you, who is matchless at posting crap! You are at the top of the
dung heap.

Don, I can see how Harry's posts may increase your respect for southern
Maryland. Do you think your posts increase respect for Canadians?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:


And I would take issue with the sound deal - it's the foam that makes
the boat quiet, not the wood. Also poured foam is not part of the
structure because it doesn't adhere to anything - it's just there for
flotation.



Surely you've seen those foam-filled sections at your favorite boat dealer
showrooms, Tom. The foam is chemically bonded to the fiberglass.
And what about the foam used in transoms, which is there for stiffening,
not for flotation?

Recognizing that I really don't know what I am talking about, I'll jump in
anyway and add my thoughts in response to the OP question.

Although wood stringers have been used successfully for years in many boats,
they have also have a history of rotting out in probably as many. Poor
workmanship, plus the fact that fiberglass, contrary to popular opinion, is
not waterproof. It does absorb and allows moisture to pass through it over
time. I suspect if the older boats with wood stringers always had dry
bilges and no leaks in the fiberglass encapsulation, they probably would be
in good shape. However, if the bilge is wet, particularly from rain water,
or the boat is used in fresh water I'll bet the wood rots in time. I had a
old Century that spent most of it's life in fresh water. Many of the
stringers were mush.

I still have a 20 foot Scout that has no wood, therefore no rot. Of course,
it's been sitting on a boat rack in Florida for two years and has only been
in the water for 5 hours. :)

Eisboch (back on the Navigator)

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:00:35 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

And I would take issue with the sound deal - it's the foam that makes
the boat quiet, not the wood. Also poured foam is not part of the
structure because it doesn't adhere to anything - it's just there for
flotation.
Surely you've seen those foam-filled sections at your favorite boat
dealer showrooms, Tom. The foam is chemically bonded to the fiberglass.
And what about the foam used in transoms, which is there for stiffening,
not for flotation?

It's poured in and heat sets - there is no "chemical bonding". If
anything, it's a pressure fit more than a "chemical bond".

However, I could be wrong - wouldn't be the first time. :)


Well, I have watched a dealer scrape off some of it...had to scrape it
right off the glass, to which it stuck. I am talking about the flotation
foam stuff, not the transom stuff. I've not seen a chunk of that in place.
I bet it is epoxied to the fiberglass, though

Foam in Whalers is added before the glass cures. It becomes a one-piece
laminate once it sets.

From continuouswave.com:

" What is known is that the boat consists of two conventional laminated
skins, the hull and the liner. These are laid up at the same time using the
usual female molds. As the last layer of the laminate and resin is applied
and curing, the two sections are assembled into a single unit and clamped
together while still wet. The interior cavity thus formed is then filled
with a liquid foam. The liquid foam expands and hardens, filling every inch
of the inner cavity and at the same time completely bonding the hull and
liner, forming a single composite structure. "

*JimH* wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:02:22 GMT, Don White
wrote:


I asked the same question a week or so ago.
He got upset and ranted how dare I question his wife's condition etc.
Lets see if he gives you a civil truthful answer.

C'mon guys... that just isn't an appropriate place to go. If he's
lying, shame on him.... in any case, shame on you....


I am not lying Gene. Why this ever became a personal issue with my wifes
medical condition is beyond me...especially when they know nothing about the
problems she has to endure.

It actually sickens me that some stoop so low as to bring my wife into
things.

But why am I not surprised?



Sigh!
In the past..any time we razzed you about being boatless, *you* brought
up your wife's condition as the reason you had sold the big boat.
The real problem is...you've been caught in so many lies that everything
you say is suspect. If you said the sun came up that morning, I'd
advise other posters to stick their heads out to make sure.
No one here has any intention of making light of any illness your wife
may, or may not have. We just don't know how to tell when you are
truthful....so we have to look to your past antics and assume all your
claims are either exaggerated or not true.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Have you considered selling the Scout?

Last I heard, it was under agreement and the broker had scheduled a sea
trial for this week. Whoever buys it is getting a great deal. It's a good
boat, but I just don't have the time for it.

Eisboch

PocoLoco wrote:


Don, I can see how Harry's posts may increase your respect for southern
Maryland. Do you think your posts increase respect for Canadians?

You would judge the population of an entire country by my posts?
I don't know if I should be flattered or scared. Someone in Ottawa might
feel the need to silence me lest George W. decides to invade and teach
us a lesson.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:57:31 GMT, Don White
wrote:


PocoLoco wrote:


Don, I can see how Harry's posts may increase your respect for southern
Maryland. Do you think your posts increase respect for Canadians?

You would judge the population of an entire country by my posts?
I don't know if I should be flattered or scared. Someone in Ottawa might
feel the need to silence me lest George W. decides to invade and teach
us a lesson.


As long as they bring back a case of Cuban cheroots for me, I say
let's invade!!!

I'm running low so the sooner the invasion begins, the better. :)

I don't smoke those 'stinky cigars', but I imagine they're available
here. Sail that Halman 20 up..you'll feel right at home and you can pick
out your own.