On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:01:05 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Then why the huge efflux of Cuban refuges under Castro?

Like Elian's father? Not all Cubans are unhappy with life under Castro,
all Cuban refugees are. Not to defend Castro, the Cuban people have an
unacceptable limit to their freedoms, but why are Cubans automatically
political refugees, when Haitians, Mexicans, and other Latinos aren't?

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:01:05 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Then why the huge efflux of Cuban refuges under Castro?

Like Elian's father? Not all Cubans are unhappy with life under Castro,
all Cuban refugees are.

Maybe Elian's dad figured life under Castro was better than life with
Elian's mom.


Not to defend Castro, the Cuban people have an
unacceptable limit to their freedoms, but why are Cubans automatically
political refugees, when Haitians, Mexicans, and other Latinos aren't?

I dunno. Ask President Carter.

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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:01:05 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Then why the huge efflux of Cuban refuges under Castro?

Like Elian's father? Not all Cubans are unhappy with life under Castro,
all Cuban refugees are.

Maybe Elian's dad figured life under Castro was better than life with
Elian's mom.


Not to defend Castro, the Cuban people have an
unacceptable limit to their freedoms, but why are Cubans automatically
political refugees, when Haitians, Mexicans, and other Latinos aren't?

I dunno. Ask President Carter.

What percentage of mexicans, haitiand, dominicans etc are thrown in prison
when returned for entering this country illegally? And cubans?

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
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What percentage of mexicans, haitiand, dominicans etc are thrown in prison
when returned for entering this country illegally? And cubans?

It is not illegal for a Cuban to leave their country unless they are in the
military or medical field. They must do their service time first. It is,
however, very expensive for an airplane ticket out of Cuba for a lot of the
people. There are some Cubans that do travel, for vacations, to Costa
Rica, Peru, Spain and even to Canada. A lot of these travelers have had
some money sent to them by their friends or family. My brother met a Cuban
university professor who has travelled to Canada for a vacation. His flight
was paid for by a university here in Canada. Also there are many of the
sales managers, for the Cuban resorts, come to Canada to give sales pitches
to Travel Agents in this country. Their flights are paid for by the Cuban
Government and the resorts

Jim

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"P. Fritz" wrote in message
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What percentage of mexicans, haitiand, dominicans etc are thrown in
prison
when returned for entering this country illegally? And cubans?

It is not illegal for a Cuban to leave their country unless they are in
the
military or medical field. They must do their service time first. It
is,
however, very expensive for an airplane ticket out of Cuba for a lot of
the
people. There are some Cubans that do travel, for vacations, to Costa
Rica, Peru, Spain and even to Canada. A lot of these travelers have had
some money sent to them by their friends or family. My brother met a
Cuban
university professor who has travelled to Canada for a vacation. His
flight
was paid for by a university here in Canada. Also there are many of the
sales managers, for the Cuban resorts, come to Canada to give sales
pitches
to Travel Agents in this country. Their flights are paid for by the
Cuban
Government and the resorts

You have highlighted the problem very well. You can control people on an
island by making it very costly to leave that island.

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"P. Fritz" wrote in message
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What percentage of mexicans, haitiand, dominicans etc are thrown in
prison
when returned for entering this country illegally? And cubans?

It is not illegal for a Cuban to leave their country unless they are in
the
military or medical field. They must do their service time first. It
is,
however, very expensive for an airplane ticket out of Cuba for a lot of
the
people. There are some Cubans that do travel, for vacations, to Costa
Rica, Peru, Spain and even to Canada. A lot of these travelers have had
some money sent to them by their friends or family. My brother met a
Cuban
university professor who has travelled to Canada for a vacation. His
flight
was paid for by a university here in Canada. Also there are many of the
sales managers, for the Cuban resorts, come to Canada to give sales
pitches
to Travel Agents in this country. Their flights are paid for by the
Cuban
Government and the resorts

Jim



In the same vein, here's some twisted policy for you: Puerto Ricans can go
to Cuba legally. And, you or I can (with a wink and a nod) get to Cuba
through Puerto Rico. The PR authorities don't care, and Cuba is more than
happy to receive our dollars. According to one Puerto Rican lady I know,
bringing an extra suitcase filled with toilet paper will make you lots of
new friends in Cuba.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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In the same vein, here's some twisted policy for you: Puerto Ricans can go
to Cuba legally. And, you or I can (with a wink and a nod) get to Cuba
through Puerto Rico. The PR authorities don't care, and Cuba is more than
happy to receive our dollars. According to one Puerto Rican lady I know,
bringing an extra suitcase filled with toilet paper will make you lots of
new friends in Cuba.

Doug, I go to Cuba for my winter vacations and I have been doing this for
years. The boating there is spectacular! The fishing is out of this
world! My government has no problem with my travels to Cuba. The Cubans
welcome me every trip there. It is the government of the USA that does not
permit me to take my boat there if I leave from a US port. My boat is a
Canadian Registered Vessel. I am a Canadian Citizen. This year I will
leave from Grand Cayman on my annual vacation.
It's too bad that your government is so backwards in it's foreign policy.
You would love a trip to Cuba.
( Boating Content )

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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In the same vein, here's some twisted policy for you: Puerto Ricans can
go
to Cuba legally. And, you or I can (with a wink and a nod) get to Cuba
through Puerto Rico. The PR authorities don't care, and Cuba is more than
happy to receive our dollars. According to one Puerto Rican lady I know,
bringing an extra suitcase filled with toilet paper will make you lots of
new friends in Cuba.

Doug, I go to Cuba for my winter vacations and I have been doing this for
years. The boating there is spectacular! The fishing is out of this
world! My government has no problem with my travels to Cuba. The Cubans
welcome me every trip there. It is the government of the USA that does
not
permit me to take my boat there if I leave from a US port. My boat is a
Canadian Registered Vessel. I am a Canadian Citizen. This year I will
leave from Grand Cayman on my annual vacation.
It's too bad that your government is so backwards in it's foreign policy.
You would love a trip to Cuba.
( Boating Content )



I'd go just for the la musica Cubana!

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:49:51 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:01:05 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Then why the huge efflux of Cuban refuges under Castro?

Like Elian's father? Not all Cubans are unhappy with life under Castro,
all Cuban refugees are. Not to defend Castro, the Cuban people have an
unacceptable limit to their freedoms, but why are Cubans automatically
political refugees, when Haitians, Mexicans, and other Latinos aren't?

Ahem. What I am about to say is not related to any trips I personally
have made into Cuba in a kinda-sort-of clandestine fashion on
sportfishing trips.

I repeat I have never, ever, bribed, paid a fee or exchanged products
to any Cuban coast patrol for clandestine entry into Cuba for any
reason - including sportfishing.

Got it?

However, according to somebody who I know VERY well, it's a pretty sad
situation in Cuba. The only reason the government still exists is
because it's basically a police state being propped up by sympathetic
governments who want access to cheap sugar and cigars.

The fishing though is spectacular. :)


Later,

Tom

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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The fishing though is spectacular. :)

.....and you know this from reading Hemingway's accounts of marlin
adventures, right?