"Gorf" wrote in message
om...

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

This "Able Danger" story is growing legs, and even the news media is
starting to ask questions again as to why so many important items were
left
out the 9/11 report.

From the Washington Times:

Review finds no pre-9/11 Atta file
By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
August 23, 2005

A Pentagon investigation has found no evidence

Wow! What did they spend, a whole couple of days looking?

I'd imagine that Shaffer and Phillpott have some pretty damning evidence
tucked away, or they wouldn't have come forward. In fact, Shaffer told
Donny Deutsch on The Big Idea last night that more and more documents will
be coming forth over the next several weeks.

The Pentagon jumped the gun on their statement...which is precisely why Sen.
Weldon sent them this email soon after DiRita spoke:


"Three people associated with Able Danger have gone on the record to certify
that it was a program tasked with mapping Al-Qaeda worldwide - its work
included the linkages which identified Mohammad Atta. That finding should
not be taken lightly, and neither should the credibility of the three people
who have bravely gone on the record.

It is important that the American people get the full story of Able Danger.
A search for the relevant data and products from this program needs to be
conducted, and if nothing can be found, we need to find out what happened to
this information.

The Pentagon should continue interviewing people with knowledge of the Able
Danger program, and encourage those with information to come forward without
fear of reprisal.

I strongly caution the Pentagon against issuing any further statements
without a full accounting of the facts. Failure to do so would reflect
poorly upon the investigation and might give the unfortunate impression that
its results are predetermined."

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:49:51 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:01:05 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Then why the huge efflux of Cuban refuges under Castro?

Like Elian's father? Not all Cubans are unhappy with life under Castro,
all Cuban refugees are. Not to defend Castro, the Cuban people have an
unacceptable limit to their freedoms, but why are Cubans automatically
political refugees, when Haitians, Mexicans, and other Latinos aren't?

Ahem. What I am about to say is not related to any trips I personally
have made into Cuba in a kinda-sort-of clandestine fashion on
sportfishing trips.

I repeat I have never, ever, bribed, paid a fee or exchanged products
to any Cuban coast patrol for clandestine entry into Cuba for any
reason - including sportfishing.

Got it?

However, according to somebody who I know VERY well, it's a pretty sad
situation in Cuba. The only reason the government still exists is
because it's basically a police state being propped up by sympathetic
governments who want access to cheap sugar and cigars.

The fishing though is spectacular. :)


Later,

Tom

Email decoder:

Remove onetwothree, replace with info,
Remove four, replace with swsports,
Remove com, replace with org.

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...
What percentage of mexicans, haitiand, dominicans etc are thrown in prison
when returned for entering this country illegally? And cubans?

It is not illegal for a Cuban to leave their country unless they are in the
military or medical field. They must do their service time first. It is,
however, very expensive for an airplane ticket out of Cuba for a lot of the
people. There are some Cubans that do travel, for vacations, to Costa
Rica, Peru, Spain and even to Canada. A lot of these travelers have had
some money sent to them by their friends or family. My brother met a Cuban
university professor who has travelled to Canada for a vacation. His flight
was paid for by a university here in Canada. Also there are many of the
sales managers, for the Cuban resorts, come to Canada to give sales pitches
to Travel Agents in this country. Their flights are paid for by the Cuban
Government and the resorts

Jim

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Gorf" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
This "Able Danger" story is growing legs, and even the news media is
starting to ask questions again as to why so many important items were
left
out the 9/11 report.
From the Washington Times:

Review finds no pre-9/11 Atta file
By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
August 23, 2005

A Pentagon investigation has found no evidence

Wow! What did they spend, a whole couple of days looking?
\\\


poor nobby...another of his pet theories bites the bullet.

It hasn't bit anything yet. This investigation is just beginning.

From: Harry Krause
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Chavez Offers Cheap Gas to Poor Americans
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:45:25 -0400
Message-ID:

Harry Krause wrote:

Bush is an utter, complete failure, a man entirely out of touch with
reality. He's flushing this country down the toilet.

And you're probably sharing the same methamphetamine as your
butt-buddy, john weasely gilmer III, because you're always
talking out your ass... although with you two, it's quite
difficult to tell which end is up.

Here's only a partial list of aliases used by herr e. kkkrause's
identical twin brother:

--------------------------

With the evidence of your dozens of aliases included below, Juan
Valdez is probably you failing to play both sides of a story...
AGAIN.

ROLF!!

Who's ROLF?

Grow up Karen. Grow the hell up.

That older woman really put a whammy on you, huh? I bet you have
a tattoo of her surrounded by the words: "The One That Got Away"!!

Immediately below are sets of message headers each with a
different alias used by john weasely gilmer III via the two
posting hosts:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189
NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245

Below that is the inclusion of a partial list of the dozens of
aliases he has been known to use.

So, who's the TROLL, gilwad?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: PirateJohn
Newsgroups:
alt.obituaries,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett
Subject: Hey! Dumb Cmelak!
Date: 23 Aug 2005 19:32:21 -0700
Message-ID: . com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189


From: Billy's Daddy
Newsgroups:
alt.fan.jimmy-buffett,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.fan.OJ-simpson
Subject: Junk Motorcycle Still For Sale
Date: 22 Aug 2005 20:54:36 -0700
Message-ID: .com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189

From: "Jose"
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Hoodoo wants you to know ...
Date: 13 Aug 2005 07:50:56 -0700
Message-ID: .com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189

From: "Smelly Billy"
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: You pal Cmelak/Hoodoo is trolling other newsgroup again ...
Date: 7 Aug 2005 19:48:50 -0700
Message-ID: . com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189


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From: "PirateJohn"
Newsgroups: alt.obituaries
Subject: Another (dead soldier from Iraq War) family blasts Bush
Date: 17 Aug 2005 14:50:50 -0700
Message-ID: .com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245

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From: "Juan"
Newsgroups:
alt.politics.immigration,alt.obituaries,fl.general ,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett
Subject: The Gaspar/Anderson obsession
Date: 1 Aug 2005 08:25:30 -0700
Message-ID: .com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245

God, you trolls and your multiple personalities are so ****ing naive.

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From: "Billy's Daddy"
Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett
Subject: Report Abuse
Date: 17 Aug 2005 10:14:19 -0700
Message-ID: .com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245

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From: "Guy Good"
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Hoodoo wants you to know ...
Date: 12 Aug 2005 14:28:19 -0700
Message-ID: .com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245

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Known and verified aliases:











OSPAM


Bill Cmelak loves his Hoodoo

"Bill Cmelak"
"Smelly Billy"














--

I'm smarter, bigger, stronger, and a lot meaner than you are.
You also won't be the first person that I didn't like who I
had to kill. Legally.

-- john wesley gilmer III

Harry,

Wrong the first time. I'm not upset at all. I'm simply not disposed to do
anything to further the aims of countries led by crackpots unfriendly to my
country. I love my country far to much to provide income to those blatently
unfriendly to it.

I mean give me a break.. Chavez says DEA agents in Venezuela are spies.
Dumb as CIA operators often seem to be DEA Agents can't hit their ass with
both hands... much less spy.

Butch
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Butch Davis wrote:
Harry,

Thanks for the info. Wish I'd known about CITGO before so I could have
avoided spending any $$ there. But now I know and I will never buy there
again. Not that I can remember the last time I bought anything there.

Butch
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
This piece really tickles my fancy:

Chavez offers cheap gas to poor in U.S.

HAVANA, Cuba (Reuters) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, popular with
the poor at home, offered on Tuesday to help needy Americans with cheap
supplies of gasoline.

"We want to sell gasoline and heating fuel directly to poor communities
in the United States," the populist leader told reporters at the end of
a visit to Communist-run Cuba.

Chavez did not say how Venezuela would go about providing gasoline to
poor communities. Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA owns Citgo, which
has 14,000 gas stations in the United States.

The offer may sound attractive to Americans feeling pinched by soaring
prices at the pump but not to the U.S. government, which sees Chavez as
a left-wing troublemaker in Latin America.

Gasoline is cheaper than mineral water in oil-producing Venezuela, where
consumers can fill their tanks for less than $2. Average gas prices have
risen to $2.61 a gallon in the United States, according to the U.S.
Energy Information Administration.

***Chavez said Venezuela could supply gasoline to Americans at half the
price they now pay if intermediaries who "speculated ... and exploited
consumers" were cut out.***

Venezuela supplies Cuba with generously financed oil and plans to help
Caribbean nations foot their oil bills.

Chavez, in Cuba to attend the graduation of Cuban-trained doctors from
28 countries, was seen off at the airport by Cuban President Fidel
Castro. Washington has accused the two leaders of being a destabilizing
influence in South America.

Chavez and Castro offered to give poor Americans free health care and
train doctors free of charge.



- - - -


Cheap gas from Venezuela. cheap prescriptions from Canada, free health
care from Cuba...

Yeah, we're sure doing well under the Bush misAdministraiton.





Let me guess. You are upset because Venezeula says it can sell gasoline in
the USA for half the price it is currently being sold for...

Doug,

Please see my previous reply to Harry, same subject.

Butch
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Why would you choose not to buy from Citgo?

"Butch Davis" wrote in message
nk.net...
Harry,

Thanks for the info. Wish I'd known about CITGO before so I could have
avoided spending any $$ there. But now I know and I will never buy there
again. Not that I can remember the last time I bought anything there.

Butch
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
This piece really tickles my fancy:

Chavez offers cheap gas to poor in U.S.

HAVANA, Cuba (Reuters) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, popular with
the poor at home, offered on Tuesday to help needy Americans with cheap
supplies of gasoline.

"We want to sell gasoline and heating fuel directly to poor communities
in the United States," the populist leader told reporters at the end of
a visit to Communist-run Cuba.

Chavez did not say how Venezuela would go about providing gasoline to
poor communities. Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA owns Citgo, which
has 14,000 gas stations in the United States.

The offer may sound attractive to Americans feeling pinched by soaring
prices at the pump but not to the U.S. government, which sees Chavez as
a left-wing troublemaker in Latin America.

Gasoline is cheaper than mineral water in oil-producing Venezuela, where
consumers can fill their tanks for less than $2. Average gas prices have
risen to $2.61 a gallon in the United States, according to the U.S.
Energy Information Administration.

***Chavez said Venezuela could supply gasoline to Americans at half the
price they now pay if intermediaries who "speculated ... and exploited
consumers" were cut out.***

Venezuela supplies Cuba with generously financed oil and plans to help
Caribbean nations foot their oil bills.

Chavez, in Cuba to attend the graduation of Cuban-trained doctors from
28 countries, was seen off at the airport by Cuban President Fidel
Castro. Washington has accused the two leaders of being a destabilizing
influence in South America.

Chavez and Castro offered to give poor Americans free health care and
train doctors free of charge.



- - - -


Cheap gas from Venezuela. cheap prescriptions from Canada, free health
care from Cuba...

Yeah, we're sure doing well under the Bush misAdministraiton.

Harry,

Wrong the second time.

Butch
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
Why would you choose not to buy from Citgo?

"Butch Davis" wrote in message
nk.net...
Harry,

Thanks for the info. Wish I'd known about CITGO before so I could have
avoided spending any $$ there. But now I know and I will never buy
there again. Not that I can remember the last time I bought anything
there.

Butch
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
This piece really tickles my fancy:

Chavez offers cheap gas to poor in U.S.

HAVANA, Cuba (Reuters) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, popular
with the poor at home, offered on Tuesday to help needy Americans with
cheap supplies of gasoline.

"We want to sell gasoline and heating fuel directly to poor communities
in the United States," the populist leader told reporters at the end of
a visit to Communist-run Cuba.

Chavez did not say how Venezuela would go about providing gasoline to
poor communities. Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA owns Citgo, which
has 14,000 gas stations in the United States.

The offer may sound attractive to Americans feeling pinched by soaring
prices at the pump but not to the U.S. government, which sees Chavez as
a left-wing troublemaker in Latin America.

Gasoline is cheaper than mineral water in oil-producing Venezuela,
where consumers can fill their tanks for less than $2. Average gas
prices have risen to $2.61 a gallon in the United States, according to
the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

***Chavez said Venezuela could supply gasoline to Americans at half the
price they now pay if intermediaries who "speculated ... and exploited
consumers" were cut out.***

Venezuela supplies Cuba with generously financed oil and plans to help
Caribbean nations foot their oil bills.

Chavez, in Cuba to attend the graduation of Cuban-trained doctors from
28 countries, was seen off at the airport by Cuban President Fidel
Castro. Washington has accused the two leaders of being a destabilizing
influence in South America.

Chavez and Castro offered to give poor Americans free health care and
train doctors free of charge.



- - - -


Cheap gas from Venezuela. cheap prescriptions from Canada, free health
care from Cuba...

Yeah, we're sure doing well under the Bush misAdministraiton.






Because Chavez thinks Bush is a criminal, of course.

From: Harry Krause
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Chavez Offers Cheap Gas to Poor Americans
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:59:39 -0400
Message-ID:


Harry Krause wrote:

Yeah, we'll be in terrific shape when Bush's term ends. We should wait
until then for the Bush cancer to remove itself from our body politic.

When are you going to remove yourself from the human race? As
soon as you do, the rest of us may finally say one good thing
about you.


--

I'm smarter, bigger, stronger, and a lot meaner than you are.
You also won't be the first person that I didn't like who I
had to kill. Legally.

-- john wesley gilmer III

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...
What percentage of mexicans, haitiand, dominicans etc are thrown in
prison
when returned for entering this country illegally? And cubans?

It is not illegal for a Cuban to leave their country unless they are in
the
military or medical field. They must do their service time first. It
is,
however, very expensive for an airplane ticket out of Cuba for a lot of
the
people. There are some Cubans that do travel, for vacations, to Costa
Rica, Peru, Spain and even to Canada. A lot of these travelers have had
some money sent to them by their friends or family. My brother met a
Cuban
university professor who has travelled to Canada for a vacation. His
flight
was paid for by a university here in Canada. Also there are many of the
sales managers, for the Cuban resorts, come to Canada to give sales
pitches
to Travel Agents in this country. Their flights are paid for by the
Cuban
Government and the resorts

You have highlighted the problem very well. You can control people on an
island by making it very costly to leave that island.