I went to look at a boat that was listed on Ebay last weekend.
Knowing little about boats, didn't really know what to look for except
overall general condition. Looked good to me compared to others I've
seen in price range. Hull seemed in good shape, upholstery was good,
engine seemed good, so I took the plunge and bought it tonight. There
was a bit of a bidding war between two folks in the last 2 minutes
that ran the price up some unfortunately. I don't know why folks
don't wait til the last few seconds to start a biddign war. It would
keep the price lower by my thinking. Anyway, I sniped it in the end
with 9 seconds to go. Tell me what you think.

Ebay Item # 4564837481

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:15:32 GMT, Captain Chaos
wrote:

I went to look at a boat that was listed on Ebay last weekend.
Knowing little about boats, didn't really know what to look for except
overall general condition. Looked good to me compared to others I've
seen in price range. Hull seemed in good shape, upholstery was good,
engine seemed good, so I took the plunge and bought it tonight. There
was a bit of a bidding war between two folks in the last 2 minutes
that ran the price up some unfortunately. I don't know why folks
don't wait til the last few seconds to start a biddign war. It would
keep the price lower by my thinking. Anyway, I sniped it in the end
with 9 seconds to go. Tell me what you think.

Ebay Item # 4564837481

You overpaid by about $1,000.

As to the mechanicals, I'd have the engine and outdrive gone through
by a dealer - you might also want to check out that "soft" floor - the
soft floor could mean soft stringers.

"Captain Chaos" wrote in message
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I went to look at a boat that was listed on Ebay last weekend.
Knowing little about boats, didn't really know what to look for except
overall general condition. Looked good to me compared to others I've
seen in price range. Hull seemed in good shape, upholstery was good,
engine seemed good, so I took the plunge and bought it tonight. There
was a bit of a bidding war between two folks in the last 2 minutes
that ran the price up some unfortunately. I don't know why folks
don't wait til the last few seconds to start a biddign war. It would
keep the price lower by my thinking. Anyway, I sniped it in the end
with 9 seconds to go. Tell me what you think.

Ebay Item # 4564837481



I would never buy a boat sight unseen and without the purchase being subject
to a structural survey and compression test of the engine...I hope you did
that. If not, bad news.

The ad listed a soft spot under the engine. Not good.

The engine has been rebuilt and will need to be replaced in the next 1,000
hours.

" The new owner should take the time to change fluids and detail the boat"
Yikes! Does this mean that the oil has not been changed???

OMC outdrive....good luck in finding replacement parts for a 1989.

Sorry to say but for a 19 foot no name bowrider you could have done better.

But I hope it works out for you.

I'd have offered half that, to be honest, and the "soft spot" thing is
worrisome...

A boat with lots of hours which has been cared for properly and run
regularly is worth more than a low hour boat which has sat neglected. A
stored boat should always have new fluids before storage, as gasoline does
nasty things to carbs and fuel system components when it turns to varnish,
and used oil and coolant have acids in them that will harm the engine.

"Soft spots" are usually due to standing water, which can only accumulate if
left uncovered or improperly covered for a length of time, meaning there are
other likely moisture related concerns like rusted fittings, cables, and
controls which may be unseen until they fail. Replacing flooring in that
location will be a nightmare- replacing a transom will be nearly impossible
for a novice, and very expensive with a professional.

You want a great boat for skiing, tubing, etc? I'll sell you ours after next
weekend for $5k. Immaculately maintained, stored indoors during winter,
fully covered in summer, and doesn't have any "weathering" or need any
maintenance, since I treat it with the care it deserves as a valued asset.


"Captain Chaos" wrote in message
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I went to look at a boat that was listed on Ebay last weekend.
Knowing little about boats, didn't really know what to look for except
overall general condition. Looked good to me compared to others I've
seen in price range. Hull seemed in good shape, upholstery was good,
engine seemed good, so I took the plunge and bought it tonight. There
was a bit of a bidding war between two folks in the last 2 minutes
that ran the price up some unfortunately. I don't know why folks
don't wait til the last few seconds to start a biddign war. It would
keep the price lower by my thinking. Anyway, I sniped it in the end
with 9 seconds to go. Tell me what you think.

Ebay Item # 4564837481

What type of boat? Where?

"Stanley Barthfarkle" wrote in message
. ..
I'd have offered half that, to be honest, and the "soft spot" thing is
worrisome...

A boat with lots of hours which has been cared for properly and run
regularly is worth more than a low hour boat which has sat neglected. A
stored boat should always have new fluids before storage, as gasoline does
nasty things to carbs and fuel system components when it turns to varnish,
and used oil and coolant have acids in them that will harm the engine.

"Soft spots" are usually due to standing water, which can only accumulate
if left uncovered or improperly covered for a length of time, meaning
there are other likely moisture related concerns like rusted fittings,
cables, and controls which may be unseen until they fail. Replacing
flooring in that location will be a nightmare- replacing a transom will be
nearly impossible for a novice, and very expensive with a professional.

You want a great boat for skiing, tubing, etc? I'll sell you ours after
next weekend for $5k. Immaculately maintained, stored indoors during
winter, fully covered in summer, and doesn't have any "weathering" or need
any maintenance, since I treat it with the care it deserves as a valued
asset.


"Captain Chaos" wrote in message
...
I went to look at a boat that was listed on Ebay last weekend.
Knowing little about boats, didn't really know what to look for except
overall general condition. Looked good to me compared to others I've
seen in price range. Hull seemed in good shape, upholstery was good,
engine seemed good, so I took the plunge and bought it tonight. There
was a bit of a bidding war between two folks in the last 2 minutes
that ran the price up some unfortunately. I don't know why folks
don't wait til the last few seconds to start a biddign war. It would
keep the price lower by my thinking. Anyway, I sniped it in the end
with 9 seconds to go. Tell me what you think.

Ebay Item # 4564837481

All original 1985 Bayliner 1952 cuddy. 19 1/2 ft LOA. 2300 lbs empty.
2.1L 4 cyl Volvo Penta 270 I/O w/ approx 500 hrs. Closed cooling system. 3
props- newer 14.5x21 (repitched/cupped 14.5x19) 3 blade stainless for
lightweight speed 2-4 persons, original 14.5x 17 alum. for full loads, and
used once 15x15 alum. as spare (revs too high for general use, but hole
shots like a rocket- should re-pitch up). White hull w/ wide Navy blue
gunnel stripe and dark red pinstripes. Taupe (primary)/Blue/Red (accents)
interior. Oversize (up to 22') Shore Land'r roller trailer w/ electric
brakes (axle assembly new in summer '04 to add brakes) & bearing buddies,
new wiring and 7 pin round connector. Runs great, absolutely sips gas, not a
speed demon. 38 mph top speed loaded light. 32 mph w/ full load. Planes at
17 mph. Marvelous condition for a used boat- better cond than most 10 yr old
boats and many 5 yr old ones. Full instrumentation. The only thing that
doesn't work is the cigarette lighter. (socket works, lighter is old)

Full custom cover, convertible top, newer 200 watt Dual digital am/fm/cd (w/
input for disc changer or XM) with 4 Klipsch 100 watt weatherized (poly
cones, painted magnets myself) 2-way bookshelf speakers permanently mounted
fore and aft of the lounge seats facing inward. Will pull 1 skier or boarder
at 30 mph, 3 on a tube. Have 2 tow ropes, (1 sectional, 1 single) 1 pair
skis, 2 one yr old tubes, (1 single Slash2 steerable, 1 TopGun multi rider
flat tube) and 1 Hydroslide kneeboard. 2 ski vests (1 XPS neoprene XL, 1
nylon L) 6 life jackets, 1 floatation cushion. 1 oar, fire extinguisher, etc
etc. (Near St. Louis MO. No one ever believes us when we tell 'em it's an
'85- lots of positive comments.

New impeller yearly, new batt fall '04, new u-joint bellows fall '04. New
exhaust bellows '02. Engine Oil changes every 50 hrs using syn-tech 10w30,
Outdrive every 50 hrs w/ 30wt, properly winterized and stored indoors during
winter, properly covered and maintained during the season. Have lots of pics
to send if requested, both in and out of water. Boat named "Cruise Money",
(Navy blue custom vinyl lettering across transom, port lettering lower right
transom above swim platform, 'Cancun' font) since we spent our Caribbean
cruise savings to buy it. 1 hr from Carlyle lake, 1.5 hrs from Rend lake for
test drives. Will be on Rend Sunday the 7th all day, splashing at Sailboat
Harbor.


"HotRod" wrote in message
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What type of boat? Where?

"Stanley Barthfarkle" wrote in message
. ..
I'd have offered half that, to be honest, and the "soft spot" thing is
worrisome...

A boat with lots of hours which has been cared for properly and run
regularly is worth more than a low hour boat which has sat neglected. A
stored boat should always have new fluids before storage, as gasoline
does nasty things to carbs and fuel system components when it turns to
varnish, and used oil and coolant have acids in them that will harm the
engine.

"Soft spots" are usually due to standing water, which can only accumulate
if left uncovered or improperly covered for a length of time, meaning
there are other likely moisture related concerns like rusted fittings,
cables, and controls which may be unseen until they fail. Replacing
flooring in that location will be a nightmare- replacing a transom will
be nearly impossible for a novice, and very expensive with a
professional.

You want a great boat for skiing, tubing, etc? I'll sell you ours after
next weekend for $5k. Immaculately maintained, stored indoors during
winter, fully covered in summer, and doesn't have any "weathering" or
need any maintenance, since I treat it with the care it deserves as a
valued asset.


"Captain Chaos" wrote in message
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I went to look at a boat that was listed on Ebay last weekend.
Knowing little about boats, didn't really know what to look for except
overall general condition. Looked good to me compared to others I've
seen in price range. Hull seemed in good shape, upholstery was good,
engine seemed good, so I took the plunge and bought it tonight. There
was a bit of a bidding war between two folks in the last 2 minutes
that ran the price up some unfortunately. I don't know why folks
don't wait til the last few seconds to start a biddign war. It would
keep the price lower by my thinking. Anyway, I sniped it in the end
with 9 seconds to go. Tell me what you think.

Ebay Item # 4564837481

The picture of the engine compartment looks a *little* scary. The starboard
stringer, beneath the visible engine mount, appears to be flaking away. I
would guess (and only guess) that a good portion of the interior plywood
flooring it shot and the stringers are on their way out.

I agree with Jim - I would be a little skeptical of engine maintenance when
the seller chooses to advise potential buyers to change the fluids. I would
tend to steer towards sellers that like to brag by showing off their
detailed maintenance logs. But even then, I would still bring in a
professional surveyor to uncover potential problems.

So - was it right for you? I guess it depends on how soon you can get $3800
worth of enjoyment out of it. For an out-of-business unmemorable brand, I
don't see any real purpose in pouring a lot of money into a proper
restoration. I would think it would likely be best to get what you can out
of it. If it runs and is safe - hell, take it out on the water and have
some fun. That's all you were after anyways, right? If you were hoping to
pick up the ladies, I probably would have suggested a good haircut and a
$3800 suit. Just kidding - have fun and welcome to boating.





"Captain Chaos" wrote in message
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I went to look at a boat that was listed on Ebay last weekend.
Knowing little about boats, didn't really know what to look for except
overall general condition. Looked good to me compared to others I've
seen in price range. Hull seemed in good shape, upholstery was good,
engine seemed good, so I took the plunge and bought it tonight. There
was a bit of a bidding war between two folks in the last 2 minutes
that ran the price up some unfortunately. I don't know why folks
don't wait til the last few seconds to start a biddign war. It would
keep the price lower by my thinking. Anyway, I sniped it in the end
with 9 seconds to go. Tell me what you think.

Ebay Item # 4564837481

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 02:25:07 GMT, "Douglas St. Clair"
wrote:

So - was it right for you? I guess it depends on how soon you can get $3800
worth of enjoyment out of it.

At the boat shop where I hang out on occasion, last summer they had a
spate of eBay boats come through - older, no longer made models and
every one of them had a major problem - whether it was transom,
floors, engine, stringers, etc.

Oddly, every one sold for around $3,000 and every one was bid up a the
last minute.

I don't buy from eBay anymore because of that - people get their
friends to bid and start a bidding frenzy - happens more often than
not.

eBay is a joke.

PS- See those 6 bidders with 0 (zero) feedback rating? I'll bet at least 2
of them are actually the seller logging on from a diff. computer to pump up
the bid... just a thought.


"Captain Chaos" wrote in message
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I went to look at a boat that was listed on Ebay last weekend.
Knowing little about boats, didn't really know what to look for except
overall general condition. Looked good to me compared to others I've
seen in price range. Hull seemed in good shape, upholstery was good,
engine seemed good, so I took the plunge and bought it tonight. There
was a bit of a bidding war between two folks in the last 2 minutes
that ran the price up some unfortunately. I don't know why folks
don't wait til the last few seconds to start a biddign war. It would
keep the price lower by my thinking. Anyway, I sniped it in the end
with 9 seconds to go. Tell me what you think.

Ebay Item # 4564837481

Man, you guys are a rough crowd. One half-way positive response to a
new boat buyer. Is that how you guys typically welcome new folks? I
bought the boat to have fun as someone stated. I expect with a boat
this age that some repairs may be needed at some point. I don't plan
on sinking a bunch of money into it and believe it will suit my
purposes well.

With your price advisories, I'd have to say you guys haven't been boat
shopping in a while. Maybe prices are higher here in the Southeast, I
don't know. $3000 will not get you a nice boat at all. I have
looked at this boat personally over this past weekend, and in my
novice view, it is a nice boat. It actually looks better in person
than in the pictures. I would have liked to have paid less, but for
the sake of $500 or $1000, I am not going to sweat it.