On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:24:28 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

*JimH* wrote:


For those who missed it (or so you don't have to go back to find it), here
it is:
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Peter Aitken
Supporting literacy lessons for conservatives.
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How nice of you Peter.

BTW Peter: Once the name calling begins your credibility drops to zero and
shows your inability to carry on a discussion of the issues at hand.

I just love it when right-wing scum like Hertvik, Fritz, McKee, Robbins,
et al, start speaking out on "name calling."

Harry, we all know you love name-calling. You don't have to remind us.

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

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snipped

It is not just the tests themselves, but the way doctors practice, keep
records, staffing, etc etc. And then throw in the cost of malpractice
insurance.

Peter needs to support reading comprehension for liebrals like himself


You really are a moron, aren't you? You have made a claim that may or
not be true - I do not know one way or the other. I ask for evidence and
all you can do is call names. This is what passes for "dialog" among
right-wing nitwits.


--
Peter Aitken


Seems to be what passes for "dialog" among Left-wing nitwits also.


Are you serious? Is this the most intelligent response you could come up
with? Are you interested in the issues or in high-school "gotcha?"

Jesus H. Christ, and these people are allowed to vote.


--
Peter Aitken



You would not admit malpractice costs big bucks and inhibits medical
changes, if the results bit you in the ass! And you are allowed to vote?
Great your great come back. . . NOT!

And for study on defensive medicine costs related to malpractice.
http://www.wws.princeton.edu/cgi-bin.../9405/9405.PDF
Probably larger now. I wrote software for medical equipment. Probably 1/4
the time was spent documenting the code. Admitted FDA does not like
software, as a number of years ago, a software error in some xray equipment
killed a few people by giving them 10x the dosage that was specified, but it
could as easily have been a hardware design error instead. This as well as
all the testing and the Validation and Verifying of the software and the
equipment. They all add to the cost of the product and medical costs. So
figure at least a 6% increase in software development costs for extreme
documentation of the software.

On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:57:55 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:16:14 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On 1 Aug 2005 10:48:39 -0700, wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Every major legislative initiative
signed by the president this year has been a boon to special interests,
but ignored the real needs of the American people.
Name one 20th President who has not catered to "special" interests?

Betcha can't.

make that 20th Century President - sorry. :)


It seems as if virtually every Bill Bush signs is a payoff to interests
that do not have the health, welfare, or employment of average Americans
in mind, more so than any other POTUS in my memory.

And that's different from, oh say, Carter who was so incompetent that
he drove the American economy into the ground so hard so fast it took
almost ten years to recover from that mess.

Or Clinton's administration allowing for funky accounting practices
like EBITDA and a SEC that was too lax creating the tech investment
bubble which gave rise to ERON (most of ENRON's fraud occurred during
the Clinton administration - check out any time line you wish).

My point is that every President is prey to charges of favoritism to
his buddies or contributors. They all help their friends.

And today, I heard a report that Bush wants public schools to start
teaching creationism hocus-pocus, and that he's still against expanding
stem cell research.

It's called Intelligent Design and I agree with you on that one. As
to stem cell research, I'm still a little leery of adding more lines
to the research system. I understand from a pragmatic standpoint that
you might as well use the materials that are going to waste anyway,
but it still isn't something that I've reconciled with myself yet.

So I guess, in a sense, I'm sort of with the Prez on this one. :)

When his time in office finally ends, it'll take us years and years to
make up for Bush's Dark Ages.

I don't think it's that bad Harry - I mean really... :)

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 06:44:44 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:57:55 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:16:14 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On 1 Aug 2005 10:48:39 -0700, wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Every major legislative initiative
signed by the president this year has been a boon to special interests,
but ignored the real needs of the American people.
Name one 20th President who has not catered to "special" interests?

Betcha can't.
make that 20th Century President - sorry. :)

It seems as if virtually every Bill Bush signs is a payoff to interests
that do not have the health, welfare, or employment of average Americans
in mind, more so than any other POTUS in my memory.

And that's different from, oh say, Carter who was so incompetent that
he drove the American economy into the ground so hard so fast it took
almost ten years to recover from that mess.

It's a matter of degree. The ramifications of Bushism already are far
worse.

Or Clinton's administration allowing for funky accounting practices
like EBITDA and a SEC that was too lax creating the tech investment
bubble which gave rise to ERON (most of ENRON's fraud occurred during
the Clinton administration - check out any time line you wish).

Let me know when Bush forces corporations to deal with their unfunded
pension liabilities honestly.

Unfunded pensions are a spaciality of the Democrats also. Take
Connecticut for example. State pensions that are supposed to be fully
funded aren't - in particular teacher's pensions which are only funded
at the 39% level, others are at 45%. This is not a Republican
controlled legislature. Nor is New York's, Vermont's or Massachusetts
which are worse than Connecticut in terms of non-funding pensions.

And today, I heard a report that Bush wants public schools to start
teaching creationism hocus-pocus, and that he's still against expanding
stem cell research.

It's called Intelligent Design and I agree with you on that one. As
to stem cell research, I'm still a little leery of adding more lines
to the research system. I understand from a pragmatic standpoint that
you might as well use the materials that are going to waste anyway,
but it still isn't something that I've reconciled with myself yet.

So I guess, in a sense, I'm sort of with the Prez on this one. :)

When his time in office finally ends, it'll take us years and years to
make up for Bush's Dark Ages.

I don't think it's that bad Harry - I mean really... :)

I think it is worse.

You would. :)

And today, I heard a report that Bush wants public schools to start
teaching creationism hocus-pocus, and that he's still against expanding
stem cell research.


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
It's called Intelligent Design and I agree with you on that one.

Really? I though you were proclaiming a while back that evolution had
never been "proven" and it shouldn't be taught as science?

... As
to stem cell research, I'm still a little leery of adding more lines
to the research system. I understand from a pragmatic standpoint that
you might as well use the materials that are going to waste anyway,
but it still isn't something that I've reconciled with myself yet.

So I guess, in a sense, I'm sort of with the Prez on this one. :)

Sorry, but you're putting yourself into the garbage can on this one. You
can't drive science backwards, attempts to try are disastrous on all
fronts. Go burn some witches if it makes you feel better.

DSK


When his time in office finally ends, it'll take us years and years to
make up for Bush's Dark Ages.


I don't think it's that bad Harry - I mean really... :)

"*JimH*" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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*JimH* wrote:


For those who missed it (or so you don't have to go back to find it),
here it is:
-------------------
Peter Aitken
Supporting literacy lessons for conservatives.
----------------------

How nice of you Peter.

BTW Peter: Once the name calling begins your credibility drops to
zero
and shows your inability to carry on a discussion of the issues at
hand.

I just love it when right-wing scum like Hertvik, Fritz, McKee,
Robbins,
et al, start speaking out on "name calling."



When was the last time you actually contributed an *On* topic post to this
NG?

Your petty insults and name calling..............getting old. But that is
all you seem to do here.

It is pretty funny watching krause, kevin and crew flounce around when they
are nailed for whining about others doing things they are guilty
of.......typical liebral.

"*JimH*" wrote in message
...

Hmmm - you quote my post with sig line while claiming I did not include
it.
Perhaps you can go to the morgue and get a used brain.

Who ties your shoes for you?

--
Peter Aitken



Why the need for personal insults in your replies Peter? By doing so you
are showing you cannot keep up with the debate/discussion at hand.


Peter is tap dancing around the issue at hand......just like a true liebral

"Jack Goff" wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 00:03:47 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote:

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Peter Aitken" wrote in message
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snipped

It is not just the tests themselves, but the way doctors practice,
keep
records, staffing, etc etc. And then throw in the cost of malpractice
insurance.

Peter needs to support reading comprehension for liebrals like
himself


You really are a moron, aren't you? You have made a claim that may or
not
be true - I do not know one way or the other. I ask for evidence and
all
you can do is call names. This is what passes for "dialog" among
right-wing nitwits.


--
Peter Aitken


Seems to be what passes for "dialog" among Left-wing nitwits also.


Are you serious? Is this the most intelligent response you could come up
with? Are you interested in the issues or in high-school "gotcha?"

Jesus H. Christ, and these people are allowed to vote.


But meanwhile Peter wrote:

Who ties your shoes for you?

--
Peter Aitken

Are you serious, Peter? Is that what passes for "intelligent" for
you?

It is comical to watch liebrals react when you throw their tactics back at
them.......what hypocrites

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Peter Aitken" wrote in message
. com...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
k.net...

"Peter Aitken" wrote in message
. com...


snipped

It is not just the tests themselves, but the way doctors practice,
keep
records, staffing, etc etc. And then throw in the cost of malpractice
insurance.

Peter needs to support reading comprehension for liebrals like
himself


You really are a moron, aren't you? You have made a claim that may or
not be true - I do not know one way or the other. I ask for evidence
and
all you can do is call names. This is what passes for "dialog" among
right-wing nitwits.


--
Peter Aitken


Seems to be what passes for "dialog" among Left-wing nitwits also.


Are you serious? Is this the most intelligent response you could come up
with? Are you interested in the issues or in high-school "gotcha?"

Jesus H. Christ, and these people are allowed to vote.


--
Peter Aitken



You would not admit malpractice costs big bucks and inhibits medical
changes, if the results bit you in the ass! And you are allowed to vote?
Great your great come back. . . NOT!


Peter appears to be one of your garden variety liebrals following the
liebral playbook.