"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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July 30, 2005 12:27 PM PDT
EFF probes printer watermarks

Color laser printers print hidden data that lets law enforcement agencies
tell which printer was used and when, according to the Electronic Frontier
Foundation. The EFF on Thursday sent a freedom of information act request
to the U.S. Secret Service in an attempt to get details on the tracing
feature, which the group says impacts the privacy of users.

Do you think the printer manufacturers designed these things at the behest
of the government? Or are they just the trails left by a particular design,
in the same way a not-so-old Chrysler mini-van smells like a 30 year old
pickup that's never had its oil changed?

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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July 30, 2005 12:27 PM PDT
EFF probes printer watermarks

Color laser printers print hidden data that lets law enforcement
agencies tell which printer was used and when, according to the
Electronic Frontier Foundation. The EFF on Thursday sent a freedom of
information act request to the U.S. Secret Service in an attempt to get
details on the tracing feature, which the group says impacts the privacy
of users.

Do you think the printer manufacturers designed these things at the
behest of the government? Or are they just the trails left by a
particular design, in the same way a not-so-old Chrysler mini-van smells
like a 30 year old pickup that's never had its oil changed?

Well, I have always heard that "the police" could match up a photocopy
from a Xerox machine or a copy from a Laserprinter to a copy they were
holding as evidence because of manufacturing marks burned into images
through the printing process. I have no idea, however, if that is the
truth.

Frankly, I wouldn't put anything past the Bush Administration when it
comes to the eroding of individual civil liberties. There hasn't been
another POTUS in my lifetime who has done more to erode individual civil
liberties than Bush.

I'm having a hard time believing this printer thing was done at the urging
of the government. However, it makes perfect sense for a company like HP,
which may benefit from being able to identify its brand, and perhaps model.


On a slightly related note, if you buy a new handgun in Maryland through
legal channels, a spent round casing must be sent to the state police.
Manufacturers who sell through dealers in Maryland include the spent
casing in the presentation box.

I suppose if a crime is committed with a semi-auto handgun that ejects
casings, a match could be made in a state police lab.

This is a source of tremendous amusement in rec.guns.

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
July 30, 2005 12:27 PM PDT
EFF probes printer watermarks

Color laser printers print hidden data that lets law enforcement
agencies tell which printer was used and when, according to the
Electronic Frontier Foundation. The EFF on Thursday sent a freedom of
information act request to the U.S. Secret Service in an attempt to get
details on the tracing feature, which the group says impacts the privacy
of users.

Do you think the printer manufacturers designed these things at the
behest of the government? Or are they just the trails left by a
particular design, in the same way a not-so-old Chrysler mini-van smells
like a 30 year old pickup that's never had its oil changed?

Well, I have always heard that "the police" could match up a photocopy
from a Xerox machine or a copy from a Laserprinter to a copy they were
holding as evidence because of manufacturing marks burned into images
through the printing process. I have no idea, however, if that is the
truth.

Frankly, I wouldn't put anything past the Bush Administration when it
comes to the eroding of individual civil liberties. There hasn't been
another POTUS in my lifetime who has done more to erode individual civil
liberties than Bush.

On a slightly related note, if you buy a new handgun in Maryland through
legal channels, a spent round casing must be sent to the state police.
Manufacturers who sell through dealers in Maryland include the spent
casing in the presentation box.

I suppose if a crime is committed with a semi-auto handgun that ejects
casings, a match could be made in a state police lab.

Harry

You cut on the Bush administration and then on the democrats for the handgun
tracking. I hope you are a libertarian!

Dan

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Dan J.S. wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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July 30, 2005 12:27 PM PDT
EFF probes printer watermarks

Color laser printers print hidden data that lets law enforcement
agencies tell which printer was used and when, according to the
Electronic Frontier Foundation. The EFF on Thursday sent a freedom of
information act request to the U.S. Secret Service in an attempt to
get details on the tracing feature, which the group says impacts the
privacy of users.
Do you think the printer manufacturers designed these things at the
behest of the government? Or are they just the trails left by a
particular design, in the same way a not-so-old Chrysler mini-van
smells like a 30 year old pickup that's never had its oil changed?
Well, I have always heard that "the police" could match up a photocopy
from a Xerox machine or a copy from a Laserprinter to a copy they were
holding as evidence because of manufacturing marks burned into images
through the printing process. I have no idea, however, if that is the
truth.

Frankly, I wouldn't put anything past the Bush Administration when it
comes to the eroding of individual civil liberties. There hasn't been
another POTUS in my lifetime who has done more to erode individual civil
liberties than Bush.

On a slightly related note, if you buy a new handgun in Maryland through
legal channels, a spent round casing must be sent to the state police.
Manufacturers who sell through dealers in Maryland include the spent
casing in the presentation box.

I suppose if a crime is committed with a semi-auto handgun that ejects
casings, a match could be made in a state police lab.

Harry

You cut on the Bush administration and then on the democrats for the
handgun tracking. I hope you are a libertarian!

Dan


There's appeal in some bits and pieces of libertarianism, but its advocacy
of societal irresponsibility leaves me cold. And the LP candidates
transcend the bizarre.

As for handguns, I believe handgun owners should be licensed and handguns
should be registered. I do feel the Maryland "shell casing law" is silly.


How are you supposed to take over a tyrannical government if the government
knows exactly who has what weapons? That was the point of the second
amendment.

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Dan J.S. wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Dan J.S. wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
July 30, 2005 12:27 PM PDT
EFF probes printer watermarks

Color laser printers print hidden data that lets law enforcement
agencies tell which printer was used and when, according to the
Electronic Frontier Foundation. The EFF on Thursday sent a freedom
of information act request to the U.S. Secret Service in an attempt
to get details on the tracing feature, which the group says impacts
the privacy of users.
Do you think the printer manufacturers designed these things at the
behest of the government? Or are they just the trails left by a
particular design, in the same way a not-so-old Chrysler mini-van
smells like a 30 year old pickup that's never had its oil changed?
Well, I have always heard that "the police" could match up a photocopy
from a Xerox machine or a copy from a Laserprinter to a copy they were
holding as evidence because of manufacturing marks burned into images
through the printing process. I have no idea, however, if that is the
truth.

Frankly, I wouldn't put anything past the Bush Administration when it
comes to the eroding of individual civil liberties. There hasn't been
another POTUS in my lifetime who has done more to erode individual
civil liberties than Bush.

On a slightly related note, if you buy a new handgun in Maryland
through legal channels, a spent round casing must be sent to the state
police. Manufacturers who sell through dealers in Maryland include the
spent casing in the presentation box.

I suppose if a crime is committed with a semi-auto handgun that ejects
casings, a match could be made in a state police lab.
Harry

You cut on the Bush administration and then on the democrats for the
handgun tracking. I hope you are a libertarian!

Dan

There's appeal in some bits and pieces of libertarianism, but its
advocacy of societal irresponsibility leaves me cold. And the LP
candidates transcend the bizarre.

As for handguns, I believe handgun owners should be licensed and
handguns should be registered. I do feel the Maryland "shell casing law"
is silly.


How are you supposed to take over a tyrannical government if the
government knows exactly who has what weapons? That was the point of the
second amendment.
Yeah, and maybe it worked in the 18th and 19th Century. These days, to
successfully take on the US military, you have to be an "insurgent" from
some dippy little country we're bombing to smithereens.

They're using weapons that we're not supposed to have.

On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 09:08:34 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
July 30, 2005 12:27 PM PDT
EFF probes printer watermarks

Color laser printers print hidden data that lets law enforcement agencies
tell which printer was used and when, according to the Electronic Frontier
Foundation. The EFF on Thursday sent a freedom of information act request
to the U.S. Secret Service in an attempt to get details on the tracing
feature, which the group says impacts the privacy of users.

Do you think the printer manufacturers designed these things at the behest
of the government? Or are they just the trails left by a particular design,
in the same way a not-so-old Chrysler mini-van smells like a 30 year old
pickup that's never had its oil changed?



Well, I have always heard that "the police" could match up a photocopy
from a Xerox machine or a copy from a Laserprinter to a copy they were
holding as evidence because of manufacturing marks burned into images
through the printing process. I have no idea, however, if that is the truth.

Frankly, I wouldn't put anything past the Bush Administration when it
comes to the eroding of individual civil liberties. There hasn't been
another POTUS in my lifetime who has done more to erode individual civil
liberties than Bush.

On a slightly related note, if you buy a new handgun in Maryland through
legal channels, a spent round casing must be sent to the state police.
Manufacturers who sell through dealers in Maryland include the spent
casing in the presentation box.

I suppose if a crime is committed with a semi-auto handgun that ejects
casings, a match could be made in a state police lab.

Bush administration?

From your source,

"Katzenbeisser, Stefan, and Fabien A.P. Petitcolas, eds. Information Hiding
Techniques for Steganography and Digital Watermarking. Boston: Artech House,
2000."

Do you really think this all started during the Bush Administration?

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"John H." wrote in message
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On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 09:08:34 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
July 30, 2005 12:27 PM PDT
EFF probes printer watermarks

Color laser printers print hidden data that lets law enforcement
agencies
tell which printer was used and when, according to the Electronic
Frontier
Foundation. The EFF on Thursday sent a freedom of information act
request
to the U.S. Secret Service in an attempt to get details on the tracing
feature, which the group says impacts the privacy of users.

Do you think the printer manufacturers designed these things at the
behest
of the government? Or are they just the trails left by a particular
design,
in the same way a not-so-old Chrysler mini-van smells like a 30 year
old
pickup that's never had its oil changed?



Well, I have always heard that "the police" could match up a photocopy
from a Xerox machine or a copy from a Laserprinter to a copy they were
holding as evidence because of manufacturing marks burned into images
through the printing process. I have no idea, however, if that is the
truth.

Frankly, I wouldn't put anything past the Bush Administration when it
comes to the eroding of individual civil liberties. There hasn't been
another POTUS in my lifetime who has done more to erode individual civil
liberties than Bush.

On a slightly related note, if you buy a new handgun in Maryland through
legal channels, a spent round casing must be sent to the state police.
Manufacturers who sell through dealers in Maryland include the spent
casing in the presentation box.

I suppose if a crime is committed with a semi-auto handgun that ejects
casings, a match could be made in a state police lab.

Bush administration?

From your source,

"Katzenbeisser, Stefan, and Fabien A.P. Petitcolas, eds. Information
Hiding
Techniques for Steganography and Digital Watermarking. Boston: Artech
House,
2000."

Do you really think this all started during the Bush Administration?

Looks like somebody has come down with a case of foot in mouth disease.


--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD