"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:16:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to charge
violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for LONG
periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for automobile
DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare.

I lost my sister to a drunk driver who was pleaded out to manslaughter
and served 6 months community service - 8 hours per week.

I agree with you entirely.

30 years ago, I lost a friend who was a Nassau County (Long Island) highway
cop. He'd pulled over woman for some violation. A drunk came along, hit him,
and his gun belt snagged on the bumper. Dragged him for 3 miles until a
bunch of CBers who followed the guy somehow managed to round him up into the
corner of a parking lot. They said the driver fell flat on his face when he
got out of his car. His sentence: A year of mopping up in an emergency room.
Closed casket at the funeral. Not much left of the guy.

It's a credit to his cop buddies that the perp remained alive afterward. I'm
not sure I would be as charitable if he'd killed someone I loved.

Doug,
I saw someone drunk, dressed in business attire, buying a 2 liter bottle of
beer at 11:00 am at a local Quickie mart. Walk outside and get into his
car. I wish I had my cell phone with me so I could have called this in.

I know it is not really a 2 liter, I just don't know what size the BIG
bottle of beer is. ; )



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
What's scary about the alcoholics is that some begin drinking in the
morning, and some drivers (and boaters, I assume) are less likely to be
looking out for totally insane behavior. My son just began driving, and
I've been pounding this message into his head for the past month after he
saw someone run a red light at 60+ mph.


"Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message
...
Doug,
DUI deaths has steadily declined (almost 40% since 1982). Party / casual
drinkers are more likely to use a designated driver.

It appears that a big part of the problem are alcoholics. 1/3 of all
DUI's
are the repeat offenders. If they are locked up, they will not repeat
the
offense.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Cool. I wonder if 20+ years in prison will dissuade anyone. But, at
least
they're off the streets.


"Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message
...
Doug,
It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when
a
death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but
repeat DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being
charged in the 1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the
death penalty for a DUI death.

I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not
being
aggressively prosecuted.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to
charge violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them
away
for LONG periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for
automobile DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare.

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message
...
Doug,
It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when a
death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but
repeat
DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged in
the
1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty for
a
DUI death.

I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not being
aggressively prosecuted.

But, I wish the pursuit would be of the high offenders, the mindset
here(at least in some communities) seems to be to turn it into another
cash
cow for the guvmint.....with overaggressive enforcement at the lower end
( high fines, "community service" counseling,...which drums up more work
for
the 'connected' while the multiple repeat offenders seem to be able to get
away with it time and again. (one of my dock neighbors is a cop on a DUI
unit)



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to
charge
violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for
LONG
periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for
automobile
DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare.


And your cop buddy, if not him, has innumerable cop-buddies who are the
worst offenders, but they get away with their stupidity. It's usually along
the lines of, "Ok, brother, can you make it home from here?" or "Just park
your car over there and we'll give you a ride home." or "Let's let your
buddy (sometimes less drunk) drive the rest of the way." or "Give me your
keys and sleep it off. I'll be back at the end of my duty with your keys."

I would love to see a zero tolerance campaign that is well publicized and
strongly enforced on the water. I know that the lakes I frequent don't even
have a sign, let alone one that people will notice, commenting on drinking
and boating. Then there's the good old resorts on the lakes with their
guest docks and the only reason people stop there is to get liquored up
before they get back on the water.

Yeah, stupidity, drinking, and boating put us all at risk, risk of serious
life-changing or life-ending consequences, even those of us who try to have
a safe boating experience. I have no compassion for the drunken fool who
operates a car or boat. But that's just me.

Fritz,

The cops have no way who is the high offenders, but the one way to stop
someone from becoming a "high offender" (whatever that is), is to stop and
charge everyone guilt of DUI. The key to make sure these people do not
become a "high offender" is to make them attend a silly ass school, make
them do silly ass community hours, and give them a fine stiff enough to make
sure they don't make another silly ass mistake.

DUI, even at .08 is very serious.


"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message
...
Doug,
It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when a
death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but
repeat
DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged in
the
1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty for
a
DUI death.

I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not being
aggressively prosecuted.

But, I wish the pursuit would be of the high offenders, the mindset
here(at least in some communities) seems to be to turn it into another
cash
cow for the guvmint.....with overaggressive enforcement at the lower end
( high fines, "community service" counseling,...which drums up more work
for
the 'connected' while the multiple repeat offenders seem to be able to get
away with it time and again. (one of my dock neighbors is a cop on a DUI
unit)



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to
charge
violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for
LONG
periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for
automobile
DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare.

"Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message
...
Doug,
I saw someone drunk, dressed in business attire, buying a 2 liter bottle
of
beer at 11:00 am at a local Quickie mart. Walk outside and get into his
car. I wish I had my cell phone with me so I could have called this in.

I know it is not really a 2 liter, I just don't know what size the BIG
bottle of beer is. ; )

I was in court one time (had to testify as an 'expert witness') In the
corridor there was a guy waitig to appear before the judge on a DUI
matter......9:30 am, he had a heavy odor of alcohol about him and was
wearing a Budweiser T-shirt..........not the brightest bulb in the
marquee................I wonder if he was related to Kevin???




"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
What's scary about the alcoholics is that some begin drinking in the
morning, and some drivers (and boaters, I assume) are less likely to be
looking out for totally insane behavior. My son just began driving, and
I've been pounding this message into his head for the past month after
he
saw someone run a red light at 60+ mph.


"Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message
...
Doug,
DUI deaths has steadily declined (almost 40% since 1982). Party /
casual
drinkers are more likely to use a designated driver.

It appears that a big part of the problem are alcoholics. 1/3 of all
DUI's
are the repeat offenders. If they are locked up, they will not repeat
the
offense.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Cool. I wonder if 20+ years in prison will dissuade anyone. But, at
least
they're off the streets.


"Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message
...
Doug,
It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder
when
a
death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but
repeat DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being
charged in the 1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the
death penalty for a DUI death.

I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not
being
aggressively prosecuted.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to
charge violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them
away
for LONG periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked
(for
automobile DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare.

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message
...
Doug,
I saw someone drunk, dressed in business attire, buying a 2 liter bottle
of
beer at 11:00 am at a local Quickie mart. Walk outside and get into his
car. I wish I had my cell phone with me so I could have called this in.

I know it is not really a 2 liter, I just don't know what size the BIG
bottle of beer is. ; )

I was in court one time (had to testify as an 'expert witness') In the
corridor there was a guy waitig to appear before the judge on a DUI
matter......9:30 am, he had a heavy odor of alcohol about him and was
wearing a Budweiser T-shirt..........not the brightest bulb in the
marquee................I wonder if he was related to Kevin???

If it was in Snellville, it probably was Kevin, if not it was his AWOL
brother.

"Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message
...
Fritz,

The cops have no way who is the high offenders, but the one way to stop
someone from becoming a "high offender" (whatever that is), is to stop and
charge everyone guilt of DUI. The key to make sure these people do not
become a "high offender" is to make them attend a silly ass school, make
them do silly ass community hours, and give them a fine stiff enough to
make
sure they don't make another silly ass mistake.

DUI, even at .08 is very serious.

My point is that some communities have the mindset of quanitity nor
quality..........I would much rather have them patroling looking for the
driver weaving across lanes that blows a .25 rather than sitting around the
corner from the local pub waiting for the first car to pull out, or as they
do in some cases, road blocking.

DUI is serious, but it is not simply a matter of BAC..........it varies by
the person........
having had my dock neighbor cop m bring down his hand held unit to the dock
and test people during one of our dock parties, (the hard part was getting
people to not drink for 15 minutes so that the test would be valid) there
were some people who should not have been behind a wheel at .05, others
passed all the other sobriety tests at .10 or higher.




"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message
...
Doug,
It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when
a
death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but
repeat
DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged
in
the
1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty
for
a
DUI death.

I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not
being
aggressively prosecuted.

But, I wish the pursuit would be of the high offenders, the mindset
here(at least in some communities) seems to be to turn it into another
cash
cow for the guvmint.....with overaggressive enforcement at the lower
end
( high fines, "community service" counseling,...which drums up more work
for
the 'connected' while the multiple repeat offenders seem to be able to
get
away with it time and again. (one of my dock neighbors is a cop on a
DUI
unit)



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to
charge
violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for
LONG
periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for
automobile
DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare.

"Hank" wrote in message
m...

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message
...
Doug,
It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when a
death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but
repeat
DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged in
the
1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty for
a
DUI death.

I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not
being
aggressively prosecuted.

But, I wish the pursuit would be of the high offenders, the mindset
here(at least in some communities) seems to be to turn it into another
cash
cow for the guvmint.....with overaggressive enforcement at the lower end
( high fines, "community service" counseling,...which drums up more work
for
the 'connected' while the multiple repeat offenders seem to be able to
get
away with it time and again. (one of my dock neighbors is a cop on a DUI
unit)



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to
charge
violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for
LONG
periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for
automobile
DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare.


And your cop buddy, if not him, has innumerable cop-buddies who are the
worst offenders, but they get away with their stupidity. It's usually
along the lines of, "Ok, brother, can you make it home from here?" or
"Just park your car over there and we'll give you a ride home." or "Let's
let your buddy (sometimes less drunk) drive the rest of the way." or "Give
me your keys and sleep it off. I'll be back at the end of my duty with
your keys."

I would love to see a zero tolerance campaign that is well publicized and
strongly enforced on the water. I know that the lakes I frequent don't
even have a sign, let alone one that people will notice, commenting on
drinking and boating. Then there's the good old resorts on the lakes with
their guest docks and the only reason people stop there is to get liquored
up before they get back on the water.

Yeah, stupidity, drinking, and boating put us all at risk, risk of serious
life-changing or life-ending consequences, even those of us who try to
have a safe boating experience. I have no compassion for the drunken fool
who operates a car or boat. But that's just me.

Frankly, I wonder why more drunks don't kill themselves, even with the boat
standing still. Along comes a wake, the boat rocks, off goes the captain
into the water. We can only dream. Personally, I take just one beer with me
when I go fishing, and plan on opening it only if the fishing has been
extraordinary. 99% of the time, that beer comes home unopened. :-(

Doug,
I don't drink anymore, but when I did I would limit myself to one beer every
two hours. In between I would drink water or a soft drink.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Hank" wrote in message
m...

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message
...
Doug,
It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when
a
death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but
repeat
DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged
in
the
1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty
for a
DUI death.

I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not
being
aggressively prosecuted.

But, I wish the pursuit would be of the high offenders, the mindset
here(at least in some communities) seems to be to turn it into another
cash
cow for the guvmint.....with overaggressive enforcement at the lower
end
( high fines, "community service" counseling,...which drums up more work
for
the 'connected' while the multiple repeat offenders seem to be able to
get
away with it time and again. (one of my dock neighbors is a cop on a
DUI
unit)



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to
charge
violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for
LONG
periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for
automobile
DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare.


And your cop buddy, if not him, has innumerable cop-buddies who are the
worst offenders, but they get away with their stupidity. It's usually
along the lines of, "Ok, brother, can you make it home from here?" or
"Just park your car over there and we'll give you a ride home." or "Let's
let your buddy (sometimes less drunk) drive the rest of the way." or
"Give me your keys and sleep it off. I'll be back at the end of my duty
with your keys."

I would love to see a zero tolerance campaign that is well publicized and
strongly enforced on the water. I know that the lakes I frequent don't
even have a sign, let alone one that people will notice, commenting on
drinking and boating. Then there's the good old resorts on the lakes
with their guest docks and the only reason people stop there is to get
liquored up before they get back on the water.

Yeah, stupidity, drinking, and boating put us all at risk, risk of
serious life-changing or life-ending consequences, even those of us who
try to have a safe boating experience. I have no compassion for the
drunken fool who operates a car or boat. But that's just me.

Frankly, I wonder why more drunks don't kill themselves, even with the
boat standing still. Along comes a wake, the boat rocks, off goes the
captain into the water. We can only dream. Personally, I take just one
beer with me when I go fishing, and plan on opening it only if the fishing
has been extraordinary. 99% of the time, that beer comes home unopened.
:-(

Doug,
I don't drink anymore, but when I did I would limit myself to one beer every
two hours. In between I would drink water or a soft drink.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Hank" wrote in message
m...

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message
...
Doug,
It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when
a
death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but
repeat
DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged
in
the
1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty
for a
DUI death.

I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not
being
aggressively prosecuted.

But, I wish the pursuit would be of the high offenders, the mindset
here(at least in some communities) seems to be to turn it into another
cash
cow for the guvmint.....with overaggressive enforcement at the lower
end
( high fines, "community service" counseling,...which drums up more work
for
the 'connected' while the multiple repeat offenders seem to be able to
get
away with it time and again. (one of my dock neighbors is a cop on a
DUI
unit)



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to
charge
violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for
LONG
periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for
automobile
DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare.


And your cop buddy, if not him, has innumerable cop-buddies who are the
worst offenders, but they get away with their stupidity. It's usually
along the lines of, "Ok, brother, can you make it home from here?" or
"Just park your car over there and we'll give you a ride home." or "Let's
let your buddy (sometimes less drunk) drive the rest of the way." or
"Give me your keys and sleep it off. I'll be back at the end of my duty
with your keys."

I would love to see a zero tolerance campaign that is well publicized and
strongly enforced on the water. I know that the lakes I frequent don't
even have a sign, let alone one that people will notice, commenting on
drinking and boating. Then there's the good old resorts on the lakes
with their guest docks and the only reason people stop there is to get
liquored up before they get back on the water.

Yeah, stupidity, drinking, and boating put us all at risk, risk of
serious life-changing or life-ending consequences, even those of us who
try to have a safe boating experience. I have no compassion for the
drunken fool who operates a car or boat. But that's just me.

Frankly, I wonder why more drunks don't kill themselves, even with the
boat standing still. Along comes a wake, the boat rocks, off goes the
captain into the water. We can only dream. Personally, I take just one
beer with me when I go fishing, and plan on opening it only if the fishing
has been extraordinary. 99% of the time, that beer comes home unopened.
:-(