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Drunk boaters
A common scene on the water.
========================================= from http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in711940.shtml (CBS) People who would never drive drunk somehow forget that lesson when it comes to partying on the water. "We have cases where people have run into each other on jet skis while intoxicated," says Judge Lex Anderson. "People have run into islands, and people have been decapitated by propellers of boats." Across the country, there are more than 5,000 boating accidents every year and alcohol has a role in many of them. While California and Florida top the list, The Early Show correspondent Hattie Kauffman reports, desert-bound Arizona has some of the highest accidents rates in the country. Many of those accused of OUI, operating a boat under the influence, end up in court. "The lakes now are just so jam packed, compared to what they were even a few years ago," one judge says. "Just the volume of people coming in with OUI tickets has just skyrocketed." One of them was Angel Lindbergh, 19, convicted of manslaughter in the death of her best friend. "Because I was being irresponsible," she says, "My best friend is now gone." ================================================== =========== Make sure to view the video link at the upper left corner of the page. |
This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to charge
violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for LONG periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for automobile DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare. |
"*JimH*" wrote in message ... A common scene on the water. ========================================= from http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in711940.shtml (CBS) People who would never drive drunk somehow forget that lesson when it comes to partying on the water. "We have cases where people have run into each other on jet skis while intoxicated," says Judge Lex Anderson. "People have run into islands, and people have been decapitated by propellers of boats." Across the country, there are more than 5,000 boating accidents every year and alcohol has a role in many of them. While California and Florida top the list, The Early Show correspondent Hattie Kauffman reports, desert-bound Arizona has some of the highest accidents rates in the country. Many of those accused of OUI, operating a boat under the influence, end up in court. "The lakes now are just so jam packed, compared to what they were even a few years ago," one judge says. "Just the volume of people coming in with OUI tickets has just skyrocketed." One of them was Angel Lindbergh, 19, convicted of manslaughter in the death of her best friend. "Because I was being irresponsible," she says, "My best friend is now gone." ================================================== =========== Make sure to view the video link at the upper left corner of the page. I live 1/2 mile from the Fox River in Illinois. I had a boat on this river for 1 season. The amount of fast cigarette type speed boats and drunk drivers was staggering. Whats worse, the river is maybe 5 feet deep, at some points, 150 feet wide. These guys drive their fast boats next to other slower boats at speeds upward of 50 MPH. Needless to say I moved the boat to some quiet Wisconsin lakes. Amazing how many bars are on the Fox. Hey I am all about partying, but this is too much. |
Doug,
It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when a death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but repeat DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged in the 1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty for a DUI death. I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not being aggressively prosecuted. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to charge violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for LONG periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for automobile DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare. |
Cool. I wonder if 20+ years in prison will dissuade anyone. But, at least
they're off the streets. "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when a death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but repeat DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged in the 1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty for a DUI death. I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not being aggressively prosecuted. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to charge violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for LONG periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for automobile DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare. |
Doug,
DUI deaths has steadily declined (almost 40% since 1982). Party / casual drinkers are more likely to use a designated driver. It appears that a big part of the problem are alcoholics. 1/3 of all DUI's are the repeat offenders. If they are locked up, they will not repeat the offense. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Cool. I wonder if 20+ years in prison will dissuade anyone. But, at least they're off the streets. "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when a death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but repeat DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged in the 1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty for a DUI death. I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not being aggressively prosecuted. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to charge violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for LONG periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for automobile DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare. |
"Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when a death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but repeat DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged in the 1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty for a DUI death. I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not being aggressively prosecuted. But, I wish the pursuit would be of the high offenders, the mindset here(at least in some communities) seems to be to turn it into another cash cow for the guvmint.....with overaggressive enforcement at the lower end ( high fines, "community service" counseling,...which drums up more work for the 'connected' while the multiple repeat offenders seem to be able to get away with it time and again. (one of my dock neighbors is a cop on a DUI unit) "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to charge violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for LONG periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for automobile DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare. |
What's scary about the alcoholics is that some begin drinking in the
morning, and some drivers (and boaters, I assume) are less likely to be looking out for totally insane behavior. My son just began driving, and I've been pounding this message into his head for the past month after he saw someone run a red light at 60+ mph. "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, DUI deaths has steadily declined (almost 40% since 1982). Party / casual drinkers are more likely to use a designated driver. It appears that a big part of the problem are alcoholics. 1/3 of all DUI's are the repeat offenders. If they are locked up, they will not repeat the offense. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Cool. I wonder if 20+ years in prison will dissuade anyone. But, at least they're off the streets. "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when a death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but repeat DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged in the 1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty for a DUI death. I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not being aggressively prosecuted. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to charge violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for LONG periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for automobile DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare. |
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:16:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to charge violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for LONG periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for automobile DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare. I lost my sister to a drunk driver who was pleaded out to manslaughter and served 6 months community service - 8 hours per week. I agree with you entirely. |
"P. Fritz" wrote in message
... "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when a death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but repeat DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged in the 1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty for a DUI death. I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not being aggressively prosecuted. But, I wish the pursuit would be of the high offenders, the mindset here(at least in some communities) seems to be to turn it into another cash cow for the guvmint.....with overaggressive enforcement at the lower end ( high fines, "community service" counseling,...which drums up more work for the 'connected' while the multiple repeat offenders seem to be able to get away with it time and again. (one of my dock neighbors is a cop on a DUI unit) So, bitch to your government slobs about the situation. You may not need the laws changed. Sometimes, prosecutors have options available that they don't use unless they feel the public's not happy with their work. Charging offenders with murder, for instance. |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:16:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to charge violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for LONG periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for automobile DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare. I lost my sister to a drunk driver who was pleaded out to manslaughter and served 6 months community service - 8 hours per week. I agree with you entirely. 30 years ago, I lost a friend who was a Nassau County (Long Island) highway cop. He'd pulled over woman for some violation. A drunk came along, hit him, and his gun belt snagged on the bumper. Dragged him for 3 miles until a bunch of CBers who followed the guy somehow managed to round him up into the corner of a parking lot. They said the driver fell flat on his face when he got out of his car. His sentence: A year of mopping up in an emergency room. Closed casket at the funeral. Not much left of the guy. It's a credit to his cop buddies that the perp remained alive afterward. I'm not sure I would be as charitable if he'd killed someone I loved. |
Doug,
I saw someone drunk, dressed in business attire, buying a 2 liter bottle of beer at 11:00 am at a local Quickie mart. Walk outside and get into his car. I wish I had my cell phone with me so I could have called this in. I know it is not really a 2 liter, I just don't know what size the BIG bottle of beer is. ; ) "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... What's scary about the alcoholics is that some begin drinking in the morning, and some drivers (and boaters, I assume) are less likely to be looking out for totally insane behavior. My son just began driving, and I've been pounding this message into his head for the past month after he saw someone run a red light at 60+ mph. "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, DUI deaths has steadily declined (almost 40% since 1982). Party / casual drinkers are more likely to use a designated driver. It appears that a big part of the problem are alcoholics. 1/3 of all DUI's are the repeat offenders. If they are locked up, they will not repeat the offense. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Cool. I wonder if 20+ years in prison will dissuade anyone. But, at least they're off the streets. "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when a death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but repeat DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged in the 1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty for a DUI death. I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not being aggressively prosecuted. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to charge violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for LONG periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for automobile DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare. |
"P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when a death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but repeat DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged in the 1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty for a DUI death. I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not being aggressively prosecuted. But, I wish the pursuit would be of the high offenders, the mindset here(at least in some communities) seems to be to turn it into another cash cow for the guvmint.....with overaggressive enforcement at the lower end ( high fines, "community service" counseling,...which drums up more work for the 'connected' while the multiple repeat offenders seem to be able to get away with it time and again. (one of my dock neighbors is a cop on a DUI unit) "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to charge violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for LONG periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for automobile DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare. And your cop buddy, if not him, has innumerable cop-buddies who are the worst offenders, but they get away with their stupidity. It's usually along the lines of, "Ok, brother, can you make it home from here?" or "Just park your car over there and we'll give you a ride home." or "Let's let your buddy (sometimes less drunk) drive the rest of the way." or "Give me your keys and sleep it off. I'll be back at the end of my duty with your keys." I would love to see a zero tolerance campaign that is well publicized and strongly enforced on the water. I know that the lakes I frequent don't even have a sign, let alone one that people will notice, commenting on drinking and boating. Then there's the good old resorts on the lakes with their guest docks and the only reason people stop there is to get liquored up before they get back on the water. Yeah, stupidity, drinking, and boating put us all at risk, risk of serious life-changing or life-ending consequences, even those of us who try to have a safe boating experience. I have no compassion for the drunken fool who operates a car or boat. But that's just me. |
Fritz,
The cops have no way who is the high offenders, but the one way to stop someone from becoming a "high offender" (whatever that is), is to stop and charge everyone guilt of DUI. The key to make sure these people do not become a "high offender" is to make them attend a silly ass school, make them do silly ass community hours, and give them a fine stiff enough to make sure they don't make another silly ass mistake. DUI, even at .08 is very serious. "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when a death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but repeat DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged in the 1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty for a DUI death. I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not being aggressively prosecuted. But, I wish the pursuit would be of the high offenders, the mindset here(at least in some communities) seems to be to turn it into another cash cow for the guvmint.....with overaggressive enforcement at the lower end ( high fines, "community service" counseling,...which drums up more work for the 'connected' while the multiple repeat offenders seem to be able to get away with it time and again. (one of my dock neighbors is a cop on a DUI unit) "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to charge violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for LONG periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for automobile DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare. |
"Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, I saw someone drunk, dressed in business attire, buying a 2 liter bottle of beer at 11:00 am at a local Quickie mart. Walk outside and get into his car. I wish I had my cell phone with me so I could have called this in. I know it is not really a 2 liter, I just don't know what size the BIG bottle of beer is. ; ) I was in court one time (had to testify as an 'expert witness') In the corridor there was a guy waitig to appear before the judge on a DUI matter......9:30 am, he had a heavy odor of alcohol about him and was wearing a Budweiser T-shirt..........not the brightest bulb in the marquee................I wonder if he was related to Kevin??? "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... What's scary about the alcoholics is that some begin drinking in the morning, and some drivers (and boaters, I assume) are less likely to be looking out for totally insane behavior. My son just began driving, and I've been pounding this message into his head for the past month after he saw someone run a red light at 60+ mph. "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, DUI deaths has steadily declined (almost 40% since 1982). Party / casual drinkers are more likely to use a designated driver. It appears that a big part of the problem are alcoholics. 1/3 of all DUI's are the repeat offenders. If they are locked up, they will not repeat the offense. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Cool. I wonder if 20+ years in prison will dissuade anyone. But, at least they're off the streets. "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when a death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but repeat DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged in the 1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty for a DUI death. I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not being aggressively prosecuted. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to charge violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for LONG periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for automobile DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare. |
"P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, I saw someone drunk, dressed in business attire, buying a 2 liter bottle of beer at 11:00 am at a local Quickie mart. Walk outside and get into his car. I wish I had my cell phone with me so I could have called this in. I know it is not really a 2 liter, I just don't know what size the BIG bottle of beer is. ; ) I was in court one time (had to testify as an 'expert witness') In the corridor there was a guy waitig to appear before the judge on a DUI matter......9:30 am, he had a heavy odor of alcohol about him and was wearing a Budweiser T-shirt..........not the brightest bulb in the marquee................I wonder if he was related to Kevin??? If it was in Snellville, it probably was Kevin, if not it was his AWOL brother. |
"Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Fritz, The cops have no way who is the high offenders, but the one way to stop someone from becoming a "high offender" (whatever that is), is to stop and charge everyone guilt of DUI. The key to make sure these people do not become a "high offender" is to make them attend a silly ass school, make them do silly ass community hours, and give them a fine stiff enough to make sure they don't make another silly ass mistake. DUI, even at .08 is very serious. My point is that some communities have the mindset of quanitity nor quality..........I would much rather have them patroling looking for the driver weaving across lanes that blows a .25 rather than sitting around the corner from the local pub waiting for the first car to pull out, or as they do in some cases, road blocking. DUI is serious, but it is not simply a matter of BAC..........it varies by the person........ having had my dock neighbor cop m bring down his hand held unit to the dock and test people during one of our dock parties, (the hard part was getting people to not drink for 15 minutes so that the test would be valid) there were some people who should not have been behind a wheel at .05, others passed all the other sobriety tests at .10 or higher. "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when a death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but repeat DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged in the 1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty for a DUI death. I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not being aggressively prosecuted. But, I wish the pursuit would be of the high offenders, the mindset here(at least in some communities) seems to be to turn it into another cash cow for the guvmint.....with overaggressive enforcement at the lower end ( high fines, "community service" counseling,...which drums up more work for the 'connected' while the multiple repeat offenders seem to be able to get away with it time and again. (one of my dock neighbors is a cop on a DUI unit) "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to charge violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for LONG periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for automobile DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare. |
"Hank" wrote in message m... "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when a death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but repeat DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged in the 1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty for a DUI death. I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not being aggressively prosecuted. But, I wish the pursuit would be of the high offenders, the mindset here(at least in some communities) seems to be to turn it into another cash cow for the guvmint.....with overaggressive enforcement at the lower end ( high fines, "community service" counseling,...which drums up more work for the 'connected' while the multiple repeat offenders seem to be able to get away with it time and again. (one of my dock neighbors is a cop on a DUI unit) "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to charge violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for LONG periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for automobile DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare. And your cop buddy, if not him, has innumerable cop-buddies who are the worst offenders, but they get away with their stupidity. It's usually along the lines of, "Ok, brother, can you make it home from here?" or "Just park your car over there and we'll give you a ride home." or "Let's let your buddy (sometimes less drunk) drive the rest of the way." or "Give me your keys and sleep it off. I'll be back at the end of my duty with your keys." I would love to see a zero tolerance campaign that is well publicized and strongly enforced on the water. I know that the lakes I frequent don't even have a sign, let alone one that people will notice, commenting on drinking and boating. Then there's the good old resorts on the lakes with their guest docks and the only reason people stop there is to get liquored up before they get back on the water. Yeah, stupidity, drinking, and boating put us all at risk, risk of serious life-changing or life-ending consequences, even those of us who try to have a safe boating experience. I have no compassion for the drunken fool who operates a car or boat. But that's just me. Frankly, I wonder why more drunks don't kill themselves, even with the boat standing still. Along comes a wake, the boat rocks, off goes the captain into the water. We can only dream. Personally, I take just one beer with me when I go fishing, and plan on opening it only if the fishing has been extraordinary. 99% of the time, that beer comes home unopened. :-( |
Doug,
I don't drink anymore, but when I did I would limit myself to one beer every two hours. In between I would drink water or a soft drink. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Hank" wrote in message m... "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when a death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but repeat DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged in the 1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty for a DUI death. I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not being aggressively prosecuted. But, I wish the pursuit would be of the high offenders, the mindset here(at least in some communities) seems to be to turn it into another cash cow for the guvmint.....with overaggressive enforcement at the lower end ( high fines, "community service" counseling,...which drums up more work for the 'connected' while the multiple repeat offenders seem to be able to get away with it time and again. (one of my dock neighbors is a cop on a DUI unit) "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to charge violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for LONG periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for automobile DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare. And your cop buddy, if not him, has innumerable cop-buddies who are the worst offenders, but they get away with their stupidity. It's usually along the lines of, "Ok, brother, can you make it home from here?" or "Just park your car over there and we'll give you a ride home." or "Let's let your buddy (sometimes less drunk) drive the rest of the way." or "Give me your keys and sleep it off. I'll be back at the end of my duty with your keys." I would love to see a zero tolerance campaign that is well publicized and strongly enforced on the water. I know that the lakes I frequent don't even have a sign, let alone one that people will notice, commenting on drinking and boating. Then there's the good old resorts on the lakes with their guest docks and the only reason people stop there is to get liquored up before they get back on the water. Yeah, stupidity, drinking, and boating put us all at risk, risk of serious life-changing or life-ending consequences, even those of us who try to have a safe boating experience. I have no compassion for the drunken fool who operates a car or boat. But that's just me. Frankly, I wonder why more drunks don't kill themselves, even with the boat standing still. Along comes a wake, the boat rocks, off goes the captain into the water. We can only dream. Personally, I take just one beer with me when I go fishing, and plan on opening it only if the fishing has been extraordinary. 99% of the time, that beer comes home unopened. :-( |
Doug,
I don't drink anymore, but when I did I would limit myself to one beer every two hours. In between I would drink water or a soft drink. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Hank" wrote in message m... "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when a death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but repeat DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged in the 1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty for a DUI death. I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not being aggressively prosecuted. But, I wish the pursuit would be of the high offenders, the mindset here(at least in some communities) seems to be to turn it into another cash cow for the guvmint.....with overaggressive enforcement at the lower end ( high fines, "community service" counseling,...which drums up more work for the 'connected' while the multiple repeat offenders seem to be able to get away with it time and again. (one of my dock neighbors is a cop on a DUI unit) "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to charge violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for LONG periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for automobile DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare. And your cop buddy, if not him, has innumerable cop-buddies who are the worst offenders, but they get away with their stupidity. It's usually along the lines of, "Ok, brother, can you make it home from here?" or "Just park your car over there and we'll give you a ride home." or "Let's let your buddy (sometimes less drunk) drive the rest of the way." or "Give me your keys and sleep it off. I'll be back at the end of my duty with your keys." I would love to see a zero tolerance campaign that is well publicized and strongly enforced on the water. I know that the lakes I frequent don't even have a sign, let alone one that people will notice, commenting on drinking and boating. Then there's the good old resorts on the lakes with their guest docks and the only reason people stop there is to get liquored up before they get back on the water. Yeah, stupidity, drinking, and boating put us all at risk, risk of serious life-changing or life-ending consequences, even those of us who try to have a safe boating experience. I have no compassion for the drunken fool who operates a car or boat. But that's just me. Frankly, I wonder why more drunks don't kill themselves, even with the boat standing still. Along comes a wake, the boat rocks, off goes the captain into the water. We can only dream. Personally, I take just one beer with me when I go fishing, and plan on opening it only if the fishing has been extraordinary. 99% of the time, that beer comes home unopened. :-( |
For some reason, alcohol in the middle of the day makes me feel like I've
got 100 lbs of rocks in my shoes. Not the way I like to be when fishing. "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, I don't drink anymore, but when I did I would limit myself to one beer every two hours. In between I would drink water or a soft drink. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Hank" wrote in message m... "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, It is becoming normal for DUI violators to be charged with murder when a death is involved. The charge might be murder in the 2nd degree, but repeat DUI violators who then have a DUI involving a death are being charged in the 1st degree. I am aware of one person who received the death penalty for a DUI death. I an not a proponent of the death penalty, but I am glad DUI is not being aggressively prosecuted. But, I wish the pursuit would be of the high offenders, the mindset here(at least in some communities) seems to be to turn it into another cash cow for the guvmint.....with overaggressive enforcement at the lower end ( high fines, "community service" counseling,...which drums up more work for the 'connected' while the multiple repeat offenders seem to be able to get away with it time and again. (one of my dock neighbors is a cop on a DUI unit) "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... This situation won't change until more prosecutors are prepared to charge violators with murder instead of manslaughter, and put them away for LONG periods of time. I'm aware of one case where this worked (for automobile DWI). Just one. I'm sure it's rare. And your cop buddy, if not him, has innumerable cop-buddies who are the worst offenders, but they get away with their stupidity. It's usually along the lines of, "Ok, brother, can you make it home from here?" or "Just park your car over there and we'll give you a ride home." or "Let's let your buddy (sometimes less drunk) drive the rest of the way." or "Give me your keys and sleep it off. I'll be back at the end of my duty with your keys." I would love to see a zero tolerance campaign that is well publicized and strongly enforced on the water. I know that the lakes I frequent don't even have a sign, let alone one that people will notice, commenting on drinking and boating. Then there's the good old resorts on the lakes with their guest docks and the only reason people stop there is to get liquored up before they get back on the water. Yeah, stupidity, drinking, and boating put us all at risk, risk of serious life-changing or life-ending consequences, even those of us who try to have a safe boating experience. I have no compassion for the drunken fool who operates a car or boat. But that's just me. Frankly, I wonder why more drunks don't kill themselves, even with the boat standing still. Along comes a wake, the boat rocks, off goes the captain into the water. We can only dream. Personally, I take just one beer with me when I go fishing, and plan on opening it only if the fishing has been extraordinary. 99% of the time, that beer comes home unopened. :-( |
Dr. Dr. . R. Name wrote:
Doug, DUI deaths has steadily declined (almost 40% since 1982). Party / casual drinkers are more likely to use a designated driver. It appears that a big part of the problem are alcoholics. 1/3 of all DUI's are the repeat offenders. If they are locked up, they will not repeat the offense. Precisely! The question is whether we lock up offenders to punish them, to cure their problem or to protect society. I adhere to the latter view. -Raf -- Misifus- Rafael Seibert http://www.ralphandsue.com |
Ever been to Blarney's Island?
http://www.blarneyisland.com/ Dan J.S. wrote: "*JimH*" wrote in message ... A common scene on the water. ========================================= from http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in711940.shtml (CBS) People who would never drive drunk somehow forget that lesson when it comes to partying on the water. "We have cases where people have run into each other on jet skis while intoxicated," says Judge Lex Anderson. "People have run into islands, and people have been decapitated by propellers of boats." Across the country, there are more than 5,000 boating accidents every year and alcohol has a role in many of them. While California and Florida top the list, The Early Show correspondent Hattie Kauffman reports, desert-bound Arizona has some of the highest accidents rates in the country. Many of those accused of OUI, operating a boat under the influence, end up in court. "The lakes now are just so jam packed, compared to what they were even a few years ago," one judge says. "Just the volume of people coming in with OUI tickets has just skyrocketed." One of them was Angel Lindbergh, 19, convicted of manslaughter in the death of her best friend. "Because I was being irresponsible," she says, "My best friend is now gone." ================================================ ============= Make sure to view the video link at the upper left corner of the page. I live 1/2 mile from the Fox River in Illinois. I had a boat on this river for 1 season. The amount of fast cigarette type speed boats and drunk drivers was staggering. Whats worse, the river is maybe 5 feet deep, at some points, 150 feet wide. These guys drive their fast boats next to other slower boats at speeds upward of 50 MPH. Needless to say I moved the boat to some quiet Wisconsin lakes. Amazing how many bars are on the Fox. Hey I am all about partying, but this is too much. |
"Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote
I know it is not really a 2 liter, I just don't know what size the BIG bottle of beer is. ; ) If you don't know a quart from a double-deuce, you're really not qualified to comment on this subject. (Just funnin' witcha) Seriously, though, I think a zero tolerance policy, and for that matter the virtual zero tolerance policies that we currently use, are counterproductive. Targeting responsible drinkers with random tests is as much a waste of resources as strip searching little old ladies at the airport. Organizations like MADD and the NSC have done an outstanding job of changing societal attitudes toward drunk driving, but there are still hard-core hard-cases who don't respond to public scorn. The problem is not people with trace amounts of alcohol in their system, the problem is drunks, and that's who we should be concentrating our scarce law enforcement resources on. In the unlikely event that Doug Kanter has a good day fishing and celebrates with that beer of his, he's probably not going to be instantly transmogrified into a marauding menace to society. But the way our current enforcement policies work, he could be treated the same as that guy who's been drinking all day and tearing around in his 50mph cigarette boat. I'll take common sense over zero tolerance any day. |
Joe,
The guy was having trouble counting his change, he definitely did not need to be on the road. As far as a zero tolerance, I don't believe any states have zero tolerance. I know there are some countries in Europe that do have zero tolerance. "Joe Blizzard" wrote in message ... "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote I know it is not really a 2 liter, I just don't know what size the BIG bottle of beer is. ; ) If you don't know a quart from a double-deuce, you're really not qualified to comment on this subject. (Just funnin' witcha) Seriously, though, I think a zero tolerance policy, and for that matter the virtual zero tolerance policies that we currently use, are counterproductive. Targeting responsible drinkers with random tests is as much a waste of resources as strip searching little old ladies at the airport. Organizations like MADD and the NSC have done an outstanding job of changing societal attitudes toward drunk driving, but there are still hard-core hard-cases who don't respond to public scorn. The problem is not people with trace amounts of alcohol in their system, the problem is drunks, and that's who we should be concentrating our scarce law enforcement resources on. In the unlikely event that Doug Kanter has a good day fishing and celebrates with that beer of his, he's probably not going to be instantly transmogrified into a marauding menace to society. But the way our current enforcement policies work, he could be treated the same as that guy who's been drinking all day and tearing around in his 50mph cigarette boat. I'll take common sense over zero tolerance any day. |
"J. Smithers" wrote
The guy was having trouble counting his change, he definitely did not need to be on the road. So get him off the road. That's my point. We can all recognize when somebody really shouldn't be driving and we don't need to send blood to the lab to do it. Making the guy who has no signs of impairment other than a .08 BAC reading equal in the eyes of the law to the guy who's obviously drunk is foolish. |
"Joe Blizzard" wrote in message ... "J. Smithers" wrote The guy was having trouble counting his change, he definitely did not need to be on the road. So get him off the road. That's my point. We can all recognize when somebody really shouldn't be driving and we don't need to send blood to the lab to do it. Making the guy who has no signs of impairment other than a .08 BAC reading equal in the eyes of the law to the guy who's obviously drunk is foolish. I don't think the cops have the time for making value judgements, even though they should. Legally, things would probably get sticky without some sort of metrics. However, I *do* see your point about how subjective inebriation can be. I only know how it affects me differently, depending on time of day, what I've eaten, and what activity I'm involved in. If I'm out in the sun, maybe snacking instead of eating real meals, one beer will sometimes flatten me, and I *know* it's going to happen. (That's why the one fishing beer usually remains in the cooler). Other times, 2 bourbons mixed with appetizers and dinner have less of an effect. But, I have friends who expect to reach a certain level of buzz much quickly, and they're unable to judge things very well, putting down 3 cocktails before they've had food. One in particular loses her ability to judge appropriate comments, and often doesn't remember what she said the night before. Obviously a problem. But still, cops can only make judgements in the way they write speeding tickets: They see a snapshot of an activity. I don't like it, but that's how it is. |
Joe,
That is the reason the cops do the field sobriety test in front of the camera. "Joe Blizzard" wrote in message ... "J. Smithers" wrote The guy was having trouble counting his change, he definitely did not need to be on the road. So get him off the road. That's my point. We can all recognize when somebody really shouldn't be driving and we don't need to send blood to the lab to do it. Making the guy who has no signs of impairment other than a .08 BAC reading equal in the eyes of the law to the guy who's obviously drunk is foolish. |
"Dan Krueger" wrote in message link.net... Ever been to Blarney's Island? http://www.blarneyisland.com/ Yeah a few times... before I got married :) |
"Joe Blizzard" wrote in message ... "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote In the unlikely event that Doug Kanter has a good day fishing and celebrates with that beer of his, he's probably not going to be instantly transmogrified into a marauding menace to society. But the way our current enforcement policies work, he could be treated the same as that guy who's been drinking all day and tearing around in his 50mph cigarette boat. I'll take common sense over zero tolerance any day. You make a great point, but I guess the difference in perspectives may lay with the different definitions of what is is. Zero tolerance to me means, if you're drunk AND operating a car or boat, you're cuffed and prosecuted. For me zero tolerance doesn't mean pulling Doug over for celebrating his catch with his first (and last) beer of the day. To me, drunk is drunk and is is is. |
"Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, I saw someone drunk, dressed in business attire, buying a 2 liter bottle of beer at 11:00 am at a local Quickie mart. Walk outside and get into his car. I wish I had my cell phone with me so I could have called this in. I know it is not really a 2 liter, I just don't know what size the BIG bottle of beer is. ; ) It was a $60 suit, its called a "40", and his name was Harry. -- -Netsock "It's just about going fast...that's all..." http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/ |
"Netsock" wrote in message ... "Dr. Dr. . R. Name" wrote in message ... Doug, I saw someone drunk, dressed in business attire, buying a 2 liter bottle of beer at 11:00 am at a local Quickie mart. Walk outside and get into his car. I wish I had my cell phone with me so I could have called this in. I know it is not really a 2 liter, I just don't know what size the BIG bottle of beer is. ; ) It was a $60 suit, its called a "40", and his name was Harry. LMAO -- -Netsock "It's just about going fast...that's all..." http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/ |
I read in the "ABCs of California Boating Law" that 24% of boating fatalities involve alcohol. That means 76% of boating fatalities do NOT involve alcohol. Statistically, I guess one is fater boating under the influence than when sober. :-^ (makes ya wonder) b. |
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On 29-Jul-2005, "*JimH*" wrote:
(CBS) People who would never drive drunk somehow forget that lesson when it comes to partying on the water. "We have cases where people have run into each other on jet skis while intoxicated," says Judge Lex Anderson. "People have run into islands, and people have been decapitated by propellers of boats." DON'T mess with natural selection. |
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Newsgroups: rec.boats From: "Steve" - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:11:48 GMT Local: Sat, Oct 15 2005 7:11 pm Subject: Drunk boaters Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse On 29-Jul-2005, "*JimH*" wrote: (CBS) People who would never drive drunk somehow forget that lesson when it comes to partying on the water. "We have cases where people have run into each other on jet skis while intoxicated," says Judge Lex Anderson. "People have run into islands, and people have been decapitated by propellers of boats." DON'T mess with natural selection LOFL! |
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