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So, what is it, the Abu Grahib prison stuff or the price of gas?


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news:c3dhc2g=.150883fd789ceed6bbc2dbed0f51b28a@108 5143224.nulluser.com...

Bush numbers slide as gas price becomes issue

By BILL STRAUB
Scripps Howard News Service
May 20, 2004

- Soaring gas prices have been added to the list of woes bedeviling
President Bush's increasingly shaky campaign for re-election,
forcing
motorists to dip deeper into their pockets at a time when the
national
economy as a whole is showing signs of recovery.

With oil prices exceeding $40 a barrel and the price at the pump
hurdling the $2 mark, energy costs are, along with waning public

support

for the war in Iraq, contributing to Bush's sliding popularity and
enhancing the prospects of Democratic presidential candidate John

Kerry.

Democrats this week have sought to use the gas-price issue by

asserting

that Bush has done little to address the problem and reminding
voters

of

the president's close ties to the petroleum industry.

"With gas prices breaking record high after record high, the
American
people are starting to wonder why this is happening," said Terry
McAuliffe, chairman of the Democratic National Committee. "The facts

are

in. The Bush administration is in the pocket of big oil. And it's
hurting Americans in the pocketbook."

The president has offered few solutions, other than to urge Congress

to

adopt the energy policy he drafted two years ago. The proposal

contains

a controversial provision to open parts of Alaska's Arctic National
Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) to drilling.

"I am concerned about the price of gasoline at the pump," Bush said
following a Cabinet meeting in the White House. "I fully understand

how

that affects American consumers, how it crimps the budgets of moms
and
dads who are trying to provide for their families, how it affects
the
truck driver, how it affects the small-business owner."

ANWR drilling, Bush said, "would obviously have a positive impact
for
today's consumers," and he demanded that Congress move "so this

country

will become less dependent on foreign sources of energy."

But critics note that nothing in the proposed energy policy would
address gas prices in the short term.

"We're seeing the economic opportunity of America's families
disappearing into gas tanks across the country," Kerry said.
"Already
strapped by rising costs in health care and higher education,
families
are losing the opportunity to save and get ahead every time they
drive
to work, pick up their kids or go out for dinner. And for some
reason,
the president is not lifting a finger to help."

Ken Mehlman, Bush's campaign manager, accused the Democrat of

attempting

to exploit the gas hikes to his political advantage.
---

D'oh. Well, of course, Ken. Quid pro quo, tit for tat, et cetera.

Sheesh.


For Bush, the negatives are piling up.


BTW, it'll be interesting to see comparisons of the price of gasoline
at
the pump during the three years of the Bush mis-administration.


Hey dummy, did it ever dawn on you that it is a matter of supply and

demand?

Do you realize the enormous chunk of the supply that China is now

taking?

But of course you will take the mindless approach of blaming Bush.

You really are an idiot.




Oh. I'm sorry. Our pump prices are the fault of the PRC...maybe Bush
should invade China and find those weapons of mass consumption.

We, of course, would not stand toe to toe with the PRC, or invade it. We
only take on the little guys.


Take the blinders off and read something other than the front page of
the
Wash. Post and you will see that there is a two week backlog of ships
waiting in Austrailia to load coal bound for China.

Economic expansion can't occur without lots of energy and China is
expanding
at a massive rate and we are competing with them for limited oil
shipments.



Uh-huh...and the Bush Administration program for dealing with that
consists of...

Everybody pays more for the raw materials, it is classic supply and demand.


Whoops.


There is no program.

Again, lets crack open ANWR, the coast of California, the Gulf of Mexico and
let's put those wind turbines off of Cape Cod. Oh, and let's start building
more nuclear plants.

What is your boy's program?

Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


jim-- wrote:



"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:




So, what is it, the Abu Grahib prison stuff or the price of gas?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message



news:c3dhc2g=.150883fd789ceed6bbc2dbed0f51b28a@108 5143224.nulluser.com...

Bush numbers slide as gas price becomes issue

By BILL STRAUB
Scripps Howard News Service
May 20, 2004

- Soaring gas prices have been added to the list of woes bedeviling
President Bush's increasingly shaky campaign for re-election,

forcing

motorists to dip deeper into their pockets at a time when the

national

economy as a whole is showing signs of recovery.

With oil prices exceeding $40 a barrel and the price at the pump
hurdling the $2 mark, energy costs are, along with waning public

support


for the war in Iraq, contributing to Bush's sliding popularity and
enhancing the prospects of Democratic presidential candidate John

Kerry.


Democrats this week have sought to use the gas-price issue by

asserting


that Bush has done little to address the problem and reminding

voters

of


the president's close ties to the petroleum industry.

"With gas prices breaking record high after record high, the

American

people are starting to wonder why this is happening," said Terry
McAuliffe, chairman of the Democratic National Committee. "The facts

are


in. The Bush administration is in the pocket of big oil. And it's
hurting Americans in the pocketbook."

The president has offered few solutions, other than to urge Congress

to


adopt the energy policy he drafted two years ago. The proposal

contains


a controversial provision to open parts of Alaska's Arctic National
Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) to drilling.

"I am concerned about the price of gasoline at the pump," Bush said
following a Cabinet meeting in the White House. "I fully understand

how


that affects American consumers, how it crimps the budgets of moms

and

dads who are trying to provide for their families, how it affects

the

truck driver, how it affects the small-business owner."

ANWR drilling, Bush said, "would obviously have a positive impact

for

today's consumers," and he demanded that Congress move "so this

country


will become less dependent on foreign sources of energy."

But critics note that nothing in the proposed energy policy would
address gas prices in the short term.

"We're seeing the economic opportunity of America's families
disappearing into gas tanks across the country," Kerry said.

"Already

strapped by rising costs in health care and higher education,

families

are losing the opportunity to save and get ahead every time they

drive

to work, pick up their kids or go out for dinner. And for some

reason,

the president is not lifting a finger to help."

Ken Mehlman, Bush's campaign manager, accused the Democrat of

attempting


to exploit the gas hikes to his political advantage.
---

D'oh. Well, of course, Ken. Quid pro quo, tit for tat, et cetera.

Sheesh.



For Bush, the negatives are piling up.


BTW, it'll be interesting to see comparisons of the price of gasoline

at

the pump during the three years of the Bush mis-administration.


Hey dummy, did it ever dawn on you that it is a matter of supply and

demand?


Do you realize the enormous chunk of the supply that China is now

taking?


But of course you will take the mindless approach of blaming Bush.

You really are an idiot.




Oh. I'm sorry. Our pump prices are the fault of the PRC...maybe Bush
should invade China and find those weapons of mass consumption.

We, of course, would not stand toe to toe with the PRC, or invade it. We
only take on the little guys.


Take the blinders off and read something other than the front page of

the

Wash. Post and you will see that there is a two week backlog of ships
waiting in Austrailia to load coal bound for China.

Economic expansion can't occur without lots of energy and China is

expanding

at a massive rate and we are competing with them for limited oil

shipments.


Uh-huh...and the Bush Administration program for dealing with that
consists of...


Everybody pays more for the raw materials, it is classic supply and demand.


Whoops.


There is no program.


Again, lets crack open ANWR, the coast of California, the Gulf of Mexico and
let's put those wind turbines off of Cape Cod. Oh, and let's start building
more nuclear plants.

What is your boy's program?




As I said, Bush has no program.

On Fri, 21 May 2004 22:47:03 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Again, lets crack open ANWR, the coast of California, the Gulf of Mexico
and let's put those wind turbines off of Cape Cod. Oh, and let's start
building more nuclear plants.

What is your boy's program?

"John Kerry has the vision to create a new Manhattan Project to make
America independent of Middle East oil in 10 years ..."

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/energy/

It's probably too little too late. We might have had a chance if Reagan
hadn't gutted Carter's energy initiatives 25 years ago. Since that time
it is estimated we have burned up an additional 20-25% of the world's
total supply of oil.

thunder wrote:

On Fri, 21 May 2004 22:47:03 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:



Again, lets crack open ANWR, the coast of California, the Gulf of Mexico
and let's put those wind turbines off of Cape Cod. Oh, and let's start
building more nuclear plants.

What is your boy's program?


"John Kerry has the vision to create a new Manhattan Project to make
America independent of Middle East oil in 10 years ..."

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/energy/

It's probably too little too late. We might have had a chance if Reagan
hadn't gutted Carter's energy initiatives 25 years ago. Since that time
it is estimated we have burned up an additional 20-25% of the world's
total supply of oil.



Bush is an incompetent POTUS who mismanages about everything he tries.
He's done nothing of consequence to promote energy conservation,
probably because that would interfere with the profits of his buddies in
the petrol business.

Bush's pooched policies in Iraq are a direct cause of what is happening
at the gas pump because of the political fall-out in the Middle East. I
haven't looked yet, but I'm sure I can find a chart that shows what has
happened to gasoline prices during the Bush mis-administration.

Thie country cannot afford any more of George W. Bush. On election day,
hopefully, American voters will turn him out of office, perhaps by
numbers large enough that preclude another FIX by his rabid supporters.

I'm almost feeling that there is a possibility the Senate might change
hands, too. Maybe. The polls are showing the voters want real change,
and an upheaval in Congress is a good place to start.

It's too bad the House isn't more closely matched. If it were, there
would be real hearings taking place now.

Harry Krause wrote:

thunder wrote:

On Fri, 21 May 2004 22:47:03 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:



Again, lets crack open ANWR, the coast of California, the Gulf of Mexico
and let's put those wind turbines off of Cape Cod. Oh, and let's start
building more nuclear plants.

What is your boy's program?



"John Kerry has the vision to create a new Manhattan Project to make
America independent of Middle East oil in 10 years ..."

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/energy/

It's probably too little too late. We might have had a chance if Reagan
hadn't gutted Carter's energy initiatives 25 years ago. Since that time
it is estimated we have burned up an additional 20-25% of the world's
total supply of oil.




Bush is an incompetent POTUS who mismanages about everything he tries.
He's done nothing of consequence to promote energy conservation,
probably because that would interfere with the profits of his buddies in
the petrol business.

Bush's pooched policies in Iraq are a direct cause of what is happening
at the gas pump because of the political fall-out in the Middle East. I
haven't looked yet, but I'm sure I can find a chart that shows what has
happened to gasoline prices during the Bush mis-administration.

Thie country cannot afford any more of George W. Bush. On election day,
hopefully, American voters will turn him out of office, perhaps by
numbers large enough that preclude another FIX by his rabid supporters.

I'm almost feeling that there is a possibility the Senate might change
hands, too. Maybe. The polls are showing the voters want real change,
and an upheaval in Congress is a good place to start.

It's too bad the House isn't more closely matched. If it were, there
would be real hearings taking place now.



Found a credit card receipt for "regular grade" gasoline I bought in
June, 2001.


$1.349 a gallon at an Exxon station in Alexandria, Virginia.


I paid $2.09 yesterday for regular at Exxon.
That's what...about a 55% increase in three years, or about 18% a year
since Bush assumed office.


Thanks, Dubya.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:

On Fri, 21 May 2004 22:47:03 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:



Again, lets crack open ANWR, the coast of California, the Gulf of Mexico
and let's put those wind turbines off of Cape Cod. Oh, and let's start
building more nuclear plants.

What is your boy's program?


"John Kerry has the vision to create a new Manhattan Project to make
America independent of Middle East oil in 10 years ..."

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/energy/

It's probably too little too late. We might have had a chance if Reagan
hadn't gutted Carter's energy initiatives 25 years ago. Since that time
it is estimated we have burned up an additional 20-25% of the world's
total supply of oil.

Bush is an incompetent POTUS who mismanages about everything he tries.
He's done nothing of consequence to promote energy conservation,
probably because that would interfere with the profits of his buddies in
the petrol business.

Now say something good about Kerry.

Bush's pooched policies in Iraq are a direct cause of what is happening
at the gas pump because of the political fall-out in the Middle East. I
haven't looked yet, but I'm sure I can find a chart that shows what has
happened to gasoline prices during the Bush mis-administration.

Now say something good about Kerry.

Thie country cannot afford any more of George W. Bush. On election day,
hopefully, American voters will turn him out of office, perhaps by
numbers large enough that preclude another FIX by his rabid supporters.

Now say something good about Kerry.

I'm almost feeling that there is a possibility the Senate might change
hands, too. Maybe. The polls are showing the voters want real change,
and an upheaval in Congress is a good place to start.

Now say something good about Kerry.

It's too bad the House isn't more closely matched. If it were, there
would be real hearings taking place now.

Your are too funny. Now say something good about Kerry.

Your are sounding more and more like a whinny little kid each day.

Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

thunder wrote:


On Fri, 21 May 2004 22:47:03 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:




Again, lets crack open ANWR, the coast of California, the Gulf of Mexico
and let's put those wind turbines off of Cape Cod. Oh, and let's start
building more nuclear plants.

What is your boy's program?


"John Kerry has the vision to create a new Manhattan Project to make
America independent of Middle East oil in 10 years ..."

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/energy/

It's probably too little too late. We might have had a chance if Reagan
hadn't gutted Carter's energy initiatives 25 years ago. Since that time
it is estimated we have burned up an additional 20-25% of the world's
total supply of oil.

Bush is an incompetent POTUS who mismanages about everything he tries.
He's done nothing of consequence to promote energy conservation,
probably because that would interfere with the profits of his buddies in
the petrol business.


Now say something good about Kerry.


Bush's pooched policies in Iraq are a direct cause of what is happening
at the gas pump because of the political fall-out in the Middle East. I
haven't looked yet, but I'm sure I can find a chart that shows what has
happened to gasoline prices during the Bush mis-administration.


Now say something good about Kerry.


Thie country cannot afford any more of George W. Bush. On election day,
hopefully, American voters will turn him out of office, perhaps by
numbers large enough that preclude another FIX by his rabid supporters.


Now say something good about Kerry.


I'm almost feeling that there is a possibility the Senate might change
hands, too. Maybe. The polls are showing the voters want real change,
and an upheaval in Congress is a good place to start.


Now say something good about Kerry.


It's too bad the House isn't more closely matched. If it were, there
would be real hearings taking place now.


Your are too funny. Now say something good about Kerry.

Your are sounding more and more like a whinny little kid each day.


Something good about Kerry? Sure.

John Kerry is a bright, articulate guy, a thinker, a fellow who takes
advantage of his liberal arts education and on major issues, ponders
alternatives, sees a number of sides, and tries to fomulate solutions
that take into account the fact that some challenges cannot be solved
with simple-minded sound-bites or putting on a jump suit and pretending
you're a soldier.

In other words, he is somewhat of an intellectual, a man who is capable
of thinking and does so.


Just the opposite of the incompetent ass now in the White House, the
mismanager of about everything he touches.

Oh, and he's from Massachusetts and can spell it. I doubt Bush can spell
Connecticut without a crib sheet.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


John Kerry is a bright, articulate guy, a thinker, a fellow who takes
advantage of his liberal arts education and on major issues, ponders
alternatives, sees a number of sides, and tries to fomulate solutions
that take into account the fact that some challenges cannot be solved
with simple-minded sound-bites or putting on a jump suit and pretending
you're a soldier.

In other words, he is somewhat of an intellectual, a man who is capable
of thinking and does so.



There's no doubt John Kerry is bright and articulate and has used those
virtues to position himself for his life goal of being president. I have a
fundamental problem with that. I can respect those that have filled their
bucket with some life experience and then become motivated to make a
difference. Kerry has been running for president since his high school days
and I can't believe the motivation is anything other than personal. Over
the years I've watched him talk the talk but not walk the walk. He
programmed himself 40 years ago in the style of his idol, JFK, but he is no
JFK.

From personal experience, depend on him for help or action involving a
subject that US Senators regularly and routinely help with and, unless you
are important and can bring something to the table that will benefit him,
you'll be ignored.

Sorry, John Kerry is not the genuine article. Maybe if he picks John
McCain for a running mate he might learn to be a man of his word.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


John Kerry is a bright, articulate guy, a thinker, a fellow who takes
advantage of his liberal arts education and on major issues, ponders
alternatives, sees a number of sides, and tries to fomulate solutions
that take into account the fact that some challenges cannot be solved
with simple-minded sound-bites or putting on a jump suit and pretending
you're a soldier.

In other words, he is somewhat of an intellectual, a man who is capable
of thinking and does so.




There's no doubt John Kerry is bright and articulate and has used those
virtues to position himself for his life goal of being president. I have a
fundamental problem with that. I can respect those that have filled their
bucket with some life experience and then become motivated to make a
difference. Kerry has been running for president since his high school days
and I can't believe the motivation is anything other than personal.

I don't have a problem with Kerry's lifelong political ambitions. Some
of our best politicians have had that kind of drive. One of my favorite
Republicans, Bob Dole, went into politics almost immediately after the
the big war, and remained there until the end of his elected political
career.






\\\ Over
the years I've watched him talk the talk but not walk the walk. He
programmed himself 40 years ago in the style of his idol, JFK, but he is no
JFK.


No, he isn't. No one had the style of JFK.




From personal experience, depend on him for help or action involving a
subject that US Senators regularly and routinely help with and, unless you
are important and can bring something to the table that will benefit him,
you'll be ignored.


Whatever you perceive as Kerry's shortcomings, I posit that he is better
equipped to do the job as POTUS than the foundering incumbent, who
finally is demonstrating to the world how little grey matter there is
between his ears.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

thunder wrote:


On Fri, 21 May 2004 22:47:03 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:




Again, lets crack open ANWR, the coast of California, the Gulf of
Mexico
and let's put those wind turbines off of Cape Cod. Oh, and let's start
building more nuclear plants.

What is your boy's program?


"John Kerry has the vision to create a new Manhattan Project to make
America independent of Middle East oil in 10 years ..."

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/energy/

It's probably too little too late. We might have had a chance if
Reagan
hadn't gutted Carter's energy initiatives 25 years ago. Since that
time
it is estimated we have burned up an additional 20-25% of the world's
total supply of oil.

Bush is an incompetent POTUS who mismanages about everything he tries.
He's done nothing of consequence to promote energy conservation,
probably because that would interfere with the profits of his buddies in
the petrol business.


Now say something good about Kerry.


Bush's pooched policies in Iraq are a direct cause of what is happening
at the gas pump because of the political fall-out in the Middle East. I
haven't looked yet, but I'm sure I can find a chart that shows what has
happened to gasoline prices during the Bush mis-administration.


Now say something good about Kerry.


Thie country cannot afford any more of George W. Bush. On election day,
hopefully, American voters will turn him out of office, perhaps by
numbers large enough that preclude another FIX by his rabid supporters.


Now say something good about Kerry.


I'm almost feeling that there is a possibility the Senate might change
hands, too. Maybe. The polls are showing the voters want real change,
and an upheaval in Congress is a good place to start.


Now say something good about Kerry.


It's too bad the House isn't more closely matched. If it were, there
would be real hearings taking place now.


Your are too funny. Now say something good about Kerry.

Your are sounding more and more like a whinny little kid each day.


Something good about Kerry? Sure.

John Kerry is a bright, articulate guy, a thinker, a fellow who takes
advantage of his liberal arts education and on major issues, ponders
alternatives, sees a number of sides, and tries to fomulate solutions
that take into account the fact that some challenges cannot be solved
with simple-minded sound-bites or putting on a jump suit and pretending
you're a soldier.

Did the military turn you down or did you wash out of boot camp?

In other words, he is somewhat of an intellectual, a man who is capable
of thinking and does so.

Anyone can be an intellectual, leaders are harder to find.


Just the opposite of the incompetent ass now in the White House, the
mismanager of about everything he touches.

Oh, and he's from Massachusetts and can spell it. I doubt Bush can spell
Connecticut without a crib sheet.

What does being from Massachusetts have to do with anything?