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rebel wrote:
A Letter to Mankind
Dear fellow human,

Today humanity is being challenged. Unthinkable atrocities take
place
on
daily basis. There is an evil force at work that aims to destroy
us.
The
agents of this evil respect nothing; not even the lives of
children.
Every
day there are bombings, every day innocent people are targeted and
murdered.
It seems as if we are helpless. But we are not!

The ancient Chinese sage Sun Zi said, "Know your enemy and you
won't
be
defeated". Do we know our enemy? If we don't, then we are doomed.

Terrorism is not an ideology, it is a tool; but the terrorists kill
for
an
ideology. They call that ideology Islam.

The entire world, both Muslims and non-Muslims claim that the
terrorists
have hijacked "the religion of peace" and Islam does not condone
violence.

Who is right? Do the terrorists understand Islam better, or do
those
who
decry them? The answer to this question is the key to our victory,
and
failure to find that key will result in our loss and death will be
upon
us.
The key is in the Quran and the history of Islam.

Those of us, who know Islam, know that the understanding of the
terrorists
of Islam is correct. They are doing nothing that their prophet did
not
do
and did not encourage his followers to do. Murder, rape,
assassination,
beheading, massacre and sacrilege of the dead "to delight the
hearts
of
the
believers" were all practiced by Muhammad, were taught by him and
were
observed by Muslims throughout their history.

If truth has ever mattered, it matters most now! This is the time
that
we
have to call a spade a spade. This is the time that we have to find
the
root
of the problem and eradicate it. The root of Islamic terrorism is
Islam.
The
proof of that is the Quran.

We are a group of ex-Muslims who have seen the face of the evil and
have
risen to warn the world. No matter how painful the truth may be,
only
truth
can set us free. Why this much denial? Why so much obstinacy? How
many
more
innocent lives should be lost before YOU open your eyes? A nuclear
disaster
is upon us. This will happen. It is not a question of "if" but
"when".
Oblivious of that, the world is digging its head deeper in the
sand.

We urge the Muslims to leave Islam. Stop with excuses,
justifications
and
rationalizations. Stop dividing mankind into "us" vs. "them" and
Muslims
vs.
Kafirs. We are One people, One mankind! Muhammad was not a
messenger
of
God.
It is time that we end this insanity and face the truth. The
terrorists
take
their moral support and the validation for their actions from you.
Your
very
adherence to their cult of death is a nod of approval for their
crimes
against humanity.

We also urge the non-Muslims to stop being politically correct lest
they
hurt the sensitivities of the Muslims. To Hell with their
sensitivities!
Let
us save their lives, and the lives of millions of innocent people.

Millions, if not billions of lives will be lost if we do nothing.
Time
is
running out! "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people
to
do
nothing." Do something! Send this message to everyone in your
address
book
and ask them to do the same. Defeat Islam and stop terrorism. This
is
your
world, save it.

The ex-Muslim Movement

www.faithfreedom.org



Shove this hateful crap someplace.

The "terrorists" represent Islam just about the same way that the Ku
Klux Klan
represents Christianity. "Kill an infidel for Allah" rings just as
hollow as "Lynch a ****** for Christ". Both are sick and hateful
corruptions.


Bull. Why do you think terrorists are strapping bombs to their bodies
and
killing innocent people Chuck?

It is indeed being done for their Allah.

I'm certain that you must be correct. How could my poorly expressed
point hope to withstand your concise and shattering counter argument,
("Bull"!)?


Unlike you I don't need to write an essay to express a thought or
opinion.

So answer the question.....why do you think terrorists are strapping
bombs
to their bodies and killing innocent people?



I think that the desperate, the hungry, the poor, the ignorant, zealots
of any persuaion, and the hateful can be easily manipulated by people
professing any number of justifications.

The Islamic "terrorists" are no more motivated by true Islam than the
KKK is motivated by true Christianity, (or than the anti-semitism of
Nazi Germany and the purity of the Aryan "race" was justified by
Christianity).

The party spreading this filth calls upon all Muslims to abandon their
faith due to the actions of some terrorist criminals. Assuming you are
a Christian, will you soon be abandoning your faith due to the
terrorist actions of the Ku Klux Klan, or is it possible to repudiate
the Klan without repudiating Christianity?

Would you feel that Black, Jewish, and Catholic Americans were well
justified if they declared war on all WASPS due to the criminal
terrorist activities of splinter groups professing protestant
Christianity in the US? If not, why do we now hear so many defending
these calls for wars to "stamp out Islam" in response to the criminal
terrorist activities of an extremist minority?



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Inside the mind of an Iraqi Suicide Bomber"

Time Magazine

"While he waits, he spends much of his time rehearsing that last prayer.
"First I will ask Allah to bless my mission with a high rate of casualties
among the Americans," he says, speaking softly in a matter-of-fact monotone,
as if dictating a shopping list. "Then I will ask him to purify my soul so I
am fit to see him, and I will ask to see my mujahedin brothers who are
already with him." He pauses to run the list through his mind again, then
resumes: "The most important thing is that he should let me kill many
Americans."

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle9327.htm

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


So?

From a klan website- (notice the final sentence)

Quote:
The IKA is a private Christian organization. In the past the KKK
received a Charter from US Congress because of our great moral and good
Christian behavior. We will continue to love one another of our own
race, culture and future no matter what the devil and his world says
about us. Much slander and Hollywood drama has nothing to do with the
facts. Look where the slander comes from, Foreign Israeli registered
and Criminal ADL is the main source of all the information against us.
This is a criminal and terrorist organization aligned with the JDL who
historically has bombed more places in the United States than any other
known group. As the foreign criminal ADL lobbies the Senate and the
House to pass more bills and laws, the news media publishes their
Slander and Lies to sell more newspapers and get more donations to the
ADL, which are all partners in the same crimes against Americans. The
media goes to court on telling lies all the time, but in their defense
they say they have a First Amendment right to lie on the media. This is
what all the Television and Newspaper companies say as they feed you
with their lies and more Hollywood fantasy propaganda. The Klan always
has to back up what we say with facts, while the media says they have a
right to lie and are protected Alien Jew Owners from the international
jewish banking cartel who run satan's world and system.

We come in the name of THE LORD God JESUS CHRIST, Amen.


******

Question: Why is a criminal terrorist car-bomber professing faith in
Allah more
representative of all Islam than a bunch of night riding "n****r"
lynchers declaring "We come in the name of the Lord God Jesus Christ"
representative of all Christianity?

Is it because you prefer to assume that the worst possible examples
actually typify the behavior of individuals or groups you dislike or
distrust? If not, then why?

If you don't believe the KKK represents all of Christendom, be slow to
believe that the car bombers and other terrorists represent all of
Islam.

On 15 Jul 2005 16:30:04 -0700, " wrote:



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rebel wrote:
A Letter to Mankind
Dear fellow human,

Today humanity is being challenged. Unthinkable atrocities take
place
on
daily basis. There is an evil force at work that aims to destroy
us.
The
agents of this evil respect nothing; not even the lives of
children.
Every
day there are bombings, every day innocent people are targeted and
murdered.
It seems as if we are helpless. But we are not!

The ancient Chinese sage Sun Zi said, "Know your enemy and you
won't
be
defeated". Do we know our enemy? If we don't, then we are doomed.

Terrorism is not an ideology, it is a tool; but the terrorists kill
for
an
ideology. They call that ideology Islam.

The entire world, both Muslims and non-Muslims claim that the
terrorists
have hijacked "the religion of peace" and Islam does not condone
violence.

Who is right? Do the terrorists understand Islam better, or do
those
who
decry them? The answer to this question is the key to our victory,
and
failure to find that key will result in our loss and death will be
upon
us.
The key is in the Quran and the history of Islam.

Those of us, who know Islam, know that the understanding of the
terrorists
of Islam is correct. They are doing nothing that their prophet did
not
do
and did not encourage his followers to do. Murder, rape,
assassination,
beheading, massacre and sacrilege of the dead "to delight the
hearts
of
the
believers" were all practiced by Muhammad, were taught by him and
were
observed by Muslims throughout their history.

If truth has ever mattered, it matters most now! This is the time
that
we
have to call a spade a spade. This is the time that we have to find
the
root
of the problem and eradicate it. The root of Islamic terrorism is
Islam.
The
proof of that is the Quran.

We are a group of ex-Muslims who have seen the face of the evil and
have
risen to warn the world. No matter how painful the truth may be,
only
truth
can set us free. Why this much denial? Why so much obstinacy? How
many
more
innocent lives should be lost before YOU open your eyes? A nuclear
disaster
is upon us. This will happen. It is not a question of "if" but
"when".
Oblivious of that, the world is digging its head deeper in the
sand.

We urge the Muslims to leave Islam. Stop with excuses,
justifications
and
rationalizations. Stop dividing mankind into "us" vs. "them" and
Muslims
vs.
Kafirs. We are One people, One mankind! Muhammad was not a
messenger
of
God.
It is time that we end this insanity and face the truth. The
terrorists
take
their moral support and the validation for their actions from you.
Your
very
adherence to their cult of death is a nod of approval for their
crimes
against humanity.

We also urge the non-Muslims to stop being politically correct lest
they
hurt the sensitivities of the Muslims. To Hell with their
sensitivities!
Let
us save their lives, and the lives of millions of innocent people.

Millions, if not billions of lives will be lost if we do nothing.
Time
is
running out! "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people
to
do
nothing." Do something! Send this message to everyone in your
address
book
and ask them to do the same. Defeat Islam and stop terrorism. This
is
your
world, save it.

The ex-Muslim Movement

www.faithfreedom.org



Shove this hateful crap someplace.

The "terrorists" represent Islam just about the same way that the Ku
Klux Klan
represents Christianity. "Kill an infidel for Allah" rings just as
hollow as "Lynch a ****** for Christ". Both are sick and hateful
corruptions.


Bull. Why do you think terrorists are strapping bombs to their bodies
and
killing innocent people Chuck?

It is indeed being done for their Allah.

I'm certain that you must be correct. How could my poorly expressed
point hope to withstand your concise and shattering counter argument,
("Bull"!)?


Unlike you I don't need to write an essay to express a thought or
opinion.

So answer the question.....why do you think terrorists are strapping
bombs
to their bodies and killing innocent people?



I think that the desperate, the hungry, the poor, the ignorant, zealots
of any persuaion, and the hateful can be easily manipulated by people
professing any number of justifications.

The Islamic "terrorists" are no more motivated by true Islam than the
KKK is motivated by true Christianity, (or than the anti-semitism of
Nazi Germany and the purity of the Aryan "race" was justified by
Christianity).

The party spreading this filth calls upon all Muslims to abandon their
faith due to the actions of some terrorist criminals. Assuming you are
a Christian, will you soon be abandoning your faith due to the
terrorist actions of the Ku Klux Klan, or is it possible to repudiate
the Klan without repudiating Christianity?

Would you feel that Black, Jewish, and Catholic Americans were well
justified if they declared war on all WASPS due to the criminal
terrorist activities of splinter groups professing protestant
Christianity in the US? If not, why do we now hear so many defending
these calls for wars to "stamp out Islam" in response to the criminal
terrorist activities of an extremist minority?



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Inside the mind of an Iraqi Suicide Bomber"

Time Magazine

"While he waits, he spends much of his time rehearsing that last prayer.
"First I will ask Allah to bless my mission with a high rate of casualties
among the Americans," he says, speaking softly in a matter-of-fact monotone,
as if dictating a shopping list. "Then I will ask him to purify my soul so I
am fit to see him, and I will ask to see my mujahedin brothers who are
already with him." He pauses to run the list through his mind again, then
resumes: "The most important thing is that he should let me kill many
Americans."

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle9327.htm

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


So?

From a klan website- (notice the final sentence)

Quote:
The IKA is a private Christian organization. In the past the KKK
received a Charter from US Congress because of our great moral and good
Christian behavior. We will continue to love one another of our own
race, culture and future no matter what the devil and his world says
about us. Much slander and Hollywood drama has nothing to do with the
facts. Look where the slander comes from, Foreign Israeli registered
and Criminal ADL is the main source of all the information against us.
This is a criminal and terrorist organization aligned with the JDL who
historically has bombed more places in the United States than any other
known group. As the foreign criminal ADL lobbies the Senate and the
House to pass more bills and laws, the news media publishes their
Slander and Lies to sell more newspapers and get more donations to the
ADL, which are all partners in the same crimes against Americans. The
media goes to court on telling lies all the time, but in their defense
they say they have a First Amendment right to lie on the media. This is
what all the Television and Newspaper companies say as they feed you
with their lies and more Hollywood fantasy propaganda. The Klan always
has to back up what we say with facts, while the media says they have a
right to lie and are protected Alien Jew Owners from the international
jewish banking cartel who run satan's world and system.

We come in the name of THE LORD God JESUS CHRIST, Amen.


******

Question: Why is a criminal terrorist car-bomber professing faith in
Allah more
representative of all Islam than a bunch of night riding "n****r"
lynchers declaring "We come in the name of the Lord God Jesus Christ"
representative of all Christianity?

Is it because you prefer to assume that the worst possible examples
actually typify the behavior of individuals or groups you dislike or
distrust? If not, then why?

If you don't believe the KKK represents all of Christendom, be slow to
believe that the car bombers and other terrorists represent all of
Islam.

Gotta go with ya on this one.

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

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rebel wrote:
A Letter to Mankind
Dear fellow human,

Today humanity is being challenged. Unthinkable atrocities take
place
on
daily basis. There is an evil force at work that aims to destroy
us.
The
agents of this evil respect nothing; not even the lives of
children.
Every
day there are bombings, every day innocent people are targeted
and
murdered.
It seems as if we are helpless. But we are not!

The ancient Chinese sage Sun Zi said, "Know your enemy and you
won't
be
defeated". Do we know our enemy? If we don't, then we are
doomed.

Terrorism is not an ideology, it is a tool; but the terrorists
kill
for
an
ideology. They call that ideology Islam.

The entire world, both Muslims and non-Muslims claim that the
terrorists
have hijacked "the religion of peace" and Islam does not condone
violence.

Who is right? Do the terrorists understand Islam better, or do
those
who
decry them? The answer to this question is the key to our
victory,
and
failure to find that key will result in our loss and death will
be
upon
us.
The key is in the Quran and the history of Islam.

Those of us, who know Islam, know that the understanding of the
terrorists
of Islam is correct. They are doing nothing that their prophet
did
not
do
and did not encourage his followers to do. Murder, rape,
assassination,
beheading, massacre and sacrilege of the dead "to delight the
hearts
of
the
believers" were all practiced by Muhammad, were taught by him
and
were
observed by Muslims throughout their history.

If truth has ever mattered, it matters most now! This is the
time
that
we
have to call a spade a spade. This is the time that we have to
find
the
root
of the problem and eradicate it. The root of Islamic terrorism
is
Islam.
The
proof of that is the Quran.

We are a group of ex-Muslims who have seen the face of the evil
and
have
risen to warn the world. No matter how painful the truth may be,
only
truth
can set us free. Why this much denial? Why so much obstinacy?
How
many
more
innocent lives should be lost before YOU open your eyes? A
nuclear
disaster
is upon us. This will happen. It is not a question of "if" but
"when".
Oblivious of that, the world is digging its head deeper in the
sand.

We urge the Muslims to leave Islam. Stop with excuses,
justifications
and
rationalizations. Stop dividing mankind into "us" vs. "them" and
Muslims
vs.
Kafirs. We are One people, One mankind! Muhammad was not a
messenger
of
God.
It is time that we end this insanity and face the truth. The
terrorists
take
their moral support and the validation for their actions from
you.
Your
very
adherence to their cult of death is a nod of approval for their
crimes
against humanity.

We also urge the non-Muslims to stop being politically correct
lest
they
hurt the sensitivities of the Muslims. To Hell with their
sensitivities!
Let
us save their lives, and the lives of millions of innocent
people.

Millions, if not billions of lives will be lost if we do
nothing.
Time
is
running out! "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good
people
to
do
nothing." Do something! Send this message to everyone in your
address
book
and ask them to do the same. Defeat Islam and stop terrorism.
This
is
your
world, save it.

The ex-Muslim Movement

www.faithfreedom.org



Shove this hateful crap someplace.

The "terrorists" represent Islam just about the same way that the
Ku
Klux Klan
represents Christianity. "Kill an infidel for Allah" rings just
as
hollow as "Lynch a ****** for Christ". Both are sick and hateful
corruptions.


Bull. Why do you think terrorists are strapping bombs to their
bodies
and
killing innocent people Chuck?

It is indeed being done for their Allah.

I'm certain that you must be correct. How could my poorly expressed
point hope to withstand your concise and shattering counter
argument,
("Bull"!)?


Unlike you I don't need to write an essay to express a thought or
opinion.

So answer the question.....why do you think terrorists are strapping
bombs
to their bodies and killing innocent people?



I think that the desperate, the hungry, the poor, the ignorant, zealots
of any persuaion, and the hateful can be easily manipulated by people
professing any number of justifications.

The Islamic "terrorists" are no more motivated by true Islam than the
KKK is motivated by true Christianity, (or than the anti-semitism of
Nazi Germany and the purity of the Aryan "race" was justified by
Christianity).

The party spreading this filth calls upon all Muslims to abandon their
faith due to the actions of some terrorist criminals. Assuming you are
a Christian, will you soon be abandoning your faith due to the
terrorist actions of the Ku Klux Klan, or is it possible to repudiate
the Klan without repudiating Christianity?

Would you feel that Black, Jewish, and Catholic Americans were well
justified if they declared war on all WASPS due to the criminal
terrorist activities of splinter groups professing protestant
Christianity in the US? If not, why do we now hear so many defending
these calls for wars to "stamp out Islam" in response to the criminal
terrorist activities of an extremist minority?



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Inside the mind of an Iraqi Suicide Bomber"

Time Magazine

"While he waits, he spends much of his time rehearsing that last prayer.
"First I will ask Allah to bless my mission with a high rate of
casualties
among the Americans," he says, speaking softly in a matter-of-fact
monotone,
as if dictating a shopping list. "Then I will ask him to purify my soul
so I
am fit to see him, and I will ask to see my mujahedin brothers who are
already with him." He pauses to run the list through his mind again, then
resumes: "The most important thing is that he should let me kill many
Americans."

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle9327.htm

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


So?

From a klan website- (notice the final sentence)

Quote:
The IKA is a private Christian organization. In the past the KKK
received a Charter from US Congress because of our great moral and good
Christian behavior. We will continue to love one another of our own
race, culture and future no matter what the devil and his world says
about us. Much slander and Hollywood drama has nothing to do with the
facts. Look where the slander comes from, Foreign Israeli registered
and Criminal ADL is the main source of all the information against us.
This is a criminal and terrorist organization aligned with the JDL who
historically has bombed more places in the United States than any other
known group. As the foreign criminal ADL lobbies the Senate and the
House to pass more bills and laws, the news media publishes their
Slander and Lies to sell more newspapers and get more donations to the
ADL, which are all partners in the same crimes against Americans. The
media goes to court on telling lies all the time, but in their defense
they say they have a First Amendment right to lie on the media. This is
what all the Television and Newspaper companies say as they feed you
with their lies and more Hollywood fantasy propaganda. The Klan always
has to back up what we say with facts, while the media says they have a
right to lie and are protected Alien Jew Owners from the international
jewish banking cartel who run satan's world and system.

We come in the name of THE LORD God JESUS CHRIST, Amen.


******

Question: Why is a criminal terrorist car-bomber professing faith in
Allah more
representative of all Islam than a bunch of night riding "n****r"
lynchers declaring "We come in the name of the Lord God Jesus Christ"
representative of all Christianity?

Is it because you prefer to assume that the worst possible examples
actually typify the behavior of individuals or groups you dislike or
distrust? If not, then why?

If you don't believe the KKK represents all of Christendom, be slow to
believe that the car bombers and other terrorists represent all of
Islam.


So?
------------------------
"Inside the mind of an Iraqi Suicide Bomber"

Time Magazine

"While he waits, he spends much of his time rehearsing that last prayer.
"First I will ask Allah to bless my mission with a high rate of casualties
among the Americans," he says, speaking softly in a matter-of-fact monotone,
as if dictating a shopping list. "Then I will ask him to purify my soul so I
am fit to see him, and I will ask to see my mujahedin brothers who are
already with him." He pauses to run the list through his mind again, then
resumes: "The most important thing is that he should let me kill many
Americans."

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle9327.htm
---------------------------

Who knows for sure? Life goes on Chuck. Don't get your shorts in a knot
about it.

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rebel wrote:
A Letter to Mankind
Dear fellow human,

Today humanity is being challenged. Unthinkable atrocities take
place
on
daily basis. There is an evil force at work that aims to destroy
us.
The
agents of this evil respect nothing; not even the lives of
children.
Every
day there are bombings, every day innocent people are targeted
and
murdered.
It seems as if we are helpless. But we are not!

The ancient Chinese sage Sun Zi said, "Know your enemy and you
won't
be
defeated". Do we know our enemy? If we don't, then we are
doomed.

Terrorism is not an ideology, it is a tool; but the terrorists
kill
for
an
ideology. They call that ideology Islam.

The entire world, both Muslims and non-Muslims claim that the
terrorists
have hijacked "the religion of peace" and Islam does not condone
violence.

Who is right? Do the terrorists understand Islam better, or do
those
who
decry them? The answer to this question is the key to our
victory,
and
failure to find that key will result in our loss and death will
be
upon
us.
The key is in the Quran and the history of Islam.

Those of us, who know Islam, know that the understanding of the
terrorists
of Islam is correct. They are doing nothing that their prophet
did
not
do
and did not encourage his followers to do. Murder, rape,
assassination,
beheading, massacre and sacrilege of the dead "to delight the
hearts
of
the
believers" were all practiced by Muhammad, were taught by him
and
were
observed by Muslims throughout their history.

If truth has ever mattered, it matters most now! This is the
time
that
we
have to call a spade a spade. This is the time that we have to
find
the
root
of the problem and eradicate it. The root of Islamic terrorism
is
Islam.
The
proof of that is the Quran.

We are a group of ex-Muslims who have seen the face of the evil
and
have
risen to warn the world. No matter how painful the truth may be,
only
truth
can set us free. Why this much denial? Why so much obstinacy?
How
many
more
innocent lives should be lost before YOU open your eyes? A
nuclear
disaster
is upon us. This will happen. It is not a question of "if" but
"when".
Oblivious of that, the world is digging its head deeper in the
sand.

We urge the Muslims to leave Islam. Stop with excuses,
justifications
and
rationalizations. Stop dividing mankind into "us" vs. "them" and
Muslims
vs.
Kafirs. We are One people, One mankind! Muhammad was not a
messenger
of
God.
It is time that we end this insanity and face the truth. The
terrorists
take
their moral support and the validation for their actions from
you.
Your
very
adherence to their cult of death is a nod of approval for their
crimes
against humanity.

We also urge the non-Muslims to stop being politically correct
lest
they
hurt the sensitivities of the Muslims. To Hell with their
sensitivities!
Let
us save their lives, and the lives of millions of innocent
people.

Millions, if not billions of lives will be lost if we do
nothing.
Time
is
running out! "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good
people
to
do
nothing." Do something! Send this message to everyone in your
address
book
and ask them to do the same. Defeat Islam and stop terrorism.
This
is
your
world, save it.

The ex-Muslim Movement

www.faithfreedom.org



Shove this hateful crap someplace.

The "terrorists" represent Islam just about the same way that the
Ku
Klux Klan
represents Christianity. "Kill an infidel for Allah" rings just
as
hollow as "Lynch a ****** for Christ". Both are sick and hateful
corruptions.


Bull. Why do you think terrorists are strapping bombs to their
bodies
and
killing innocent people Chuck?

It is indeed being done for their Allah.

I'm certain that you must be correct. How could my poorly expressed
point hope to withstand your concise and shattering counter
argument,
("Bull"!)?


Unlike you I don't need to write an essay to express a thought or
opinion.

So answer the question.....why do you think terrorists are strapping
bombs
to their bodies and killing innocent people?



I think that the desperate, the hungry, the poor, the ignorant, zealots
of any persuaion, and the hateful can be easily manipulated by people
professing any number of justifications.

The Islamic "terrorists" are no more motivated by true Islam than the
KKK is motivated by true Christianity, (or than the anti-semitism of
Nazi Germany and the purity of the Aryan "race" was justified by
Christianity).

The party spreading this filth calls upon all Muslims to abandon their
faith due to the actions of some terrorist criminals. Assuming you are
a Christian, will you soon be abandoning your faith due to the
terrorist actions of the Ku Klux Klan, or is it possible to repudiate
the Klan without repudiating Christianity?

Would you feel that Black, Jewish, and Catholic Americans were well
justified if they declared war on all WASPS due to the criminal
terrorist activities of splinter groups professing protestant
Christianity in the US? If not, why do we now hear so many defending
these calls for wars to "stamp out Islam" in response to the criminal
terrorist activities of an extremist minority?



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Inside the mind of an Iraqi Suicide Bomber"

Time Magazine

"While he waits, he spends much of his time rehearsing that last prayer.
"First I will ask Allah to bless my mission with a high rate of
casualties
among the Americans," he says, speaking softly in a matter-of-fact
monotone,
as if dictating a shopping list. "Then I will ask him to purify my soul
so I
am fit to see him, and I will ask to see my mujahedin brothers who are
already with him." He pauses to run the list through his mind again, then
resumes: "The most important thing is that he should let me kill many
Americans."

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle9327.htm

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


So?



And you busted my balls about my previous "bull" comment?

How absolutely funny.

"Who, me?"....eh?

wrote:

I think that the desperate, the hungry, the poor, the ignorant, zealots
of any persuaion, and the hateful can be easily manipulated by people
professing any number of justifications.

The Islamic "terrorists" are no more motivated by true Islam than the
KKK is motivated by true Christianity, (or than the anti-semitism of
Nazi Germany and the purity of the Aryan "race" was justified by
Christianity).

The party spreading this filth calls upon all Muslims to abandon their
faith due to the actions of some terrorist criminals. Assuming you are
a Christian, will you soon be abandoning your faith due to the
terrorist actions of the Ku Klux Klan, or is it possible to repudiate
the Klan without repudiating Christianity?

Would you feel that Black, Jewish, and Catholic Americans were well
justified if they declared war on all WASPS due to the criminal
terrorist activities of splinter groups professing protestant
Christianity in the US? If not, why do we now hear so many defending
these calls for wars to "stamp out Islam" in response to the criminal
terrorist activities of an extremist minority?

You are obviously and remarkably ignorant, showing conclusively you
know nothing concerning any of these faiths, and foghorning the empty
results of your vain imagination.

*JimH* wrote:
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*JimH* wrote:
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*JimH* wrote:
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rebel wrote:
A Letter to Mankind
Dear fellow human,

Today humanity is being challenged. Unthinkable atrocities take
place
on
daily basis. There is an evil force at work that aims to destroy
us.
The
agents of this evil respect nothing; not even the lives of
children.
Every
day there are bombings, every day innocent people are targeted
and
murdered.
It seems as if we are helpless. But we are not!

The ancient Chinese sage Sun Zi said, "Know your enemy and you
won't
be
defeated". Do we know our enemy? If we don't, then we are
doomed.

Terrorism is not an ideology, it is a tool; but the terrorists
kill
for
an
ideology. They call that ideology Islam.

The entire world, both Muslims and non-Muslims claim that the
terrorists
have hijacked "the religion of peace" and Islam does not condone
violence.

Who is right? Do the terrorists understand Islam better, or do
those
who
decry them? The answer to this question is the key to our
victory,
and
failure to find that key will result in our loss and death will
be
upon
us.
The key is in the Quran and the history of Islam.

Those of us, who know Islam, know that the understanding of the
terrorists
of Islam is correct. They are doing nothing that their prophet
did
not
do
and did not encourage his followers to do. Murder, rape,
assassination,
beheading, massacre and sacrilege of the dead "to delight the
hearts
of
the
believers" were all practiced by Muhammad, were taught by him
and
were
observed by Muslims throughout their history.

If truth has ever mattered, it matters most now! This is the
time
that
we
have to call a spade a spade. This is the time that we have to
find
the
root
of the problem and eradicate it. The root of Islamic terrorism
is
Islam.
The
proof of that is the Quran.

We are a group of ex-Muslims who have seen the face of the evil
and
have
risen to warn the world. No matter how painful the truth may be,
only
truth
can set us free. Why this much denial? Why so much obstinacy?
How
many
more
innocent lives should be lost before YOU open your eyes? A
nuclear
disaster
is upon us. This will happen. It is not a question of "if" but
"when".
Oblivious of that, the world is digging its head deeper in the
sand.

We urge the Muslims to leave Islam. Stop with excuses,
justifications
and
rationalizations. Stop dividing mankind into "us" vs. "them" and
Muslims
vs.
Kafirs. We are One people, One mankind! Muhammad was not a
messenger
of
God.
It is time that we end this insanity and face the truth. The
terrorists
take
their moral support and the validation for their actions from
you.
Your
very
adherence to their cult of death is a nod of approval for their
crimes
against humanity.

We also urge the non-Muslims to stop being politically correct
lest
they
hurt the sensitivities of the Muslims. To Hell with their
sensitivities!
Let
us save their lives, and the lives of millions of innocent
people.

Millions, if not billions of lives will be lost if we do
nothing.
Time
is
running out! "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good
people
to
do
nothing." Do something! Send this message to everyone in your
address
book
and ask them to do the same. Defeat Islam and stop terrorism.
This
is
your
world, save it.

The ex-Muslim Movement

www.faithfreedom.org



Shove this hateful crap someplace.

The "terrorists" represent Islam just about the same way that the
Ku
Klux Klan
represents Christianity. "Kill an infidel for Allah" rings just
as
hollow as "Lynch a ****** for Christ". Both are sick and hateful
corruptions.


Bull. Why do you think terrorists are strapping bombs to their
bodies
and
killing innocent people Chuck?

It is indeed being done for their Allah.

I'm certain that you must be correct. How could my poorly expressed
point hope to withstand your concise and shattering counter
argument,
("Bull"!)?


Unlike you I don't need to write an essay to express a thought or
opinion.

So answer the question.....why do you think terrorists are strapping
bombs
to their bodies and killing innocent people?



I think that the desperate, the hungry, the poor, the ignorant, zealots
of any persuaion, and the hateful can be easily manipulated by people
professing any number of justifications.

The Islamic "terrorists" are no more motivated by true Islam than the
KKK is motivated by true Christianity, (or than the anti-semitism of
Nazi Germany and the purity of the Aryan "race" was justified by
Christianity).

The party spreading this filth calls upon all Muslims to abandon their
faith due to the actions of some terrorist criminals. Assuming you are
a Christian, will you soon be abandoning your faith due to the
terrorist actions of the Ku Klux Klan, or is it possible to repudiate
the Klan without repudiating Christianity?

Would you feel that Black, Jewish, and Catholic Americans were well
justified if they declared war on all WASPS due to the criminal
terrorist activities of splinter groups professing protestant
Christianity in the US? If not, why do we now hear so many defending
these calls for wars to "stamp out Islam" in response to the criminal
terrorist activities of an extremist minority?



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Inside the mind of an Iraqi Suicide Bomber"

Time Magazine

"While he waits, he spends much of his time rehearsing that last prayer.
"First I will ask Allah to bless my mission with a high rate of
casualties
among the Americans," he says, speaking softly in a matter-of-fact
monotone,
as if dictating a shopping list. "Then I will ask him to purify my soul
so I
am fit to see him, and I will ask to see my mujahedin brothers who are
already with him." He pauses to run the list through his mind again, then
resumes: "The most important thing is that he should let me kill many
Americans."

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle9327.htm

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


So?



And you busted my balls about my previous "bull" comment?

How absolutely funny.

"Who, me?"....eh?

Sign on forehead: Try to be sure brain is in motion before putting
mouth or keyboard in gear.

Works like this, JimH

1. You offered a quote from a Muslim terrorist, calling upon Allah, as
proof that Islam is a violent religion and all Muslims believe they
should rise up against the west.

2. I disagreed, and offered a quote from the KKK calling on the name of
Christ
as proof that extremists in *any* faith do not represent the
mainstream.

How you think that even corresponds to your "bull" post, is way beyond
my ability to figure out.

wrote:
wrote:

I think that the desperate, the hungry, the poor, the ignorant, zealots
of any persuaion, and the hateful can be easily manipulated by people
professing any number of justifications.

The Islamic "terrorists" are no more motivated by true Islam than the
KKK is motivated by true Christianity, (or than the anti-semitism of
Nazi Germany and the purity of the Aryan "race" was justified by
Christianity).

The party spreading this filth calls upon all Muslims to abandon their
faith due to the actions of some terrorist criminals. Assuming you are
a Christian, will you soon be abandoning your faith due to the
terrorist actions of the Ku Klux Klan, or is it possible to repudiate
the Klan without repudiating Christianity?

Would you feel that Black, Jewish, and Catholic Americans were well
justified if they declared war on all WASPS due to the criminal
terrorist activities of splinter groups professing protestant
Christianity in the US? If not, why do we now hear so many defending
these calls for wars to "stamp out Islam" in response to the criminal
terrorist activities of an extremist minority?

You are obviously and remarkably ignorant, showing conclusively you
know nothing concerning any of these faiths, and foghorning the empty
results of your vain imagination.

Naw, I wouldn't say I'm all that ignorant but I do admit that I haven't
learned the finer points of comparative religion and philosophy from
the Rush Limbaugh comedy hour, like so many seem to have done. Perhaps
if I pay more careful attention to RW hate radio and less to the Quran
I'll learn a lot more about Islam.


Riddle me this: If Islam is so fundamentally false and evil, should the
passages in the Quran that recognize Jesus as a divine messenger from
God, acknowledge Mary and the virgin birth, and acknowledge the
miracles and resurrection of Jesus be rejected as false teachings? Was
Mohammed wrong to revere the Torah and the Gospels? Is the God
professed by Mohammed, (the God of Abraham- the same God that Jews
address as Jehovah, Muslims address as Allah, and Christians address as
Our Father and a variety of other terms), a false god?

Here are a few references to such issues, and from a Christian, not
Muslim, site:

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/quran-jesus.html


Unfortunately for those who seek a simplistic view of the world, Muslim
extremists are no more representative of mainstream Islam than the KKK
is representative of mainstream Christianity.

Spend a little less time hurling insults and calling names, and a
little more time studying actual sources- (listening to radio rabble
rousers with an agenda doesn't count). You may be surprised at what you
can learn.

On 15 Jul 2005 21:00:47 -0700, wrote:

wrote:

I think that the desperate, the hungry, the poor, the ignorant, zealots
of any persuaion, and the hateful can be easily manipulated by people
professing any number of justifications.

The Islamic "terrorists" are no more motivated by true Islam than the
KKK is motivated by true Christianity, (or than the anti-semitism of
Nazi Germany and the purity of the Aryan "race" was justified by
Christianity).

The party spreading this filth calls upon all Muslims to abandon their
faith due to the actions of some terrorist criminals. Assuming you are
a Christian, will you soon be abandoning your faith due to the
terrorist actions of the Ku Klux Klan, or is it possible to repudiate
the Klan without repudiating Christianity?

Would you feel that Black, Jewish, and Catholic Americans were well
justified if they declared war on all WASPS due to the criminal
terrorist activities of splinter groups professing protestant
Christianity in the US? If not, why do we now hear so many defending
these calls for wars to "stamp out Islam" in response to the criminal
terrorist activities of an extremist minority?

You are obviously and remarkably ignorant, showing conclusively you
know nothing concerning any of these faiths, and foghorning the empty
results of your vain imagination.

Well, enlighten us, oh ye of wisdom.

From where did you copy and paste that generic response. You surely didn't put
any *thought* into a cogent reply. Did you?

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

On 15 Jul 2005 22:54:21 -0700, " wrote:



wrote:
wrote:

I think that the desperate, the hungry, the poor, the ignorant, zealots
of any persuaion, and the hateful can be easily manipulated by people
professing any number of justifications.

The Islamic "terrorists" are no more motivated by true Islam than the
KKK is motivated by true Christianity, (or than the anti-semitism of
Nazi Germany and the purity of the Aryan "race" was justified by
Christianity).

The party spreading this filth calls upon all Muslims to abandon their
faith due to the actions of some terrorist criminals. Assuming you are
a Christian, will you soon be abandoning your faith due to the
terrorist actions of the Ku Klux Klan, or is it possible to repudiate
the Klan without repudiating Christianity?

Would you feel that Black, Jewish, and Catholic Americans were well
justified if they declared war on all WASPS due to the criminal
terrorist activities of splinter groups professing protestant
Christianity in the US? If not, why do we now hear so many defending
these calls for wars to "stamp out Islam" in response to the criminal
terrorist activities of an extremist minority?

You are obviously and remarkably ignorant, showing conclusively you
know nothing concerning any of these faiths, and foghorning the empty
results of your vain imagination.

Naw, I wouldn't say I'm all that ignorant but I do admit that I haven't
learned the finer points of comparative religion and philosophy from
the Rush Limbaugh comedy hour, like so many seem to have done. Perhaps
if I pay more careful attention to RW hate radio and less to the Quran
I'll learn a lot more about Islam.


Riddle me this: If Islam is so fundamentally false and evil, should the
passages in the Quran that recognize Jesus as a divine messenger from
God, acknowledge Mary and the virgin birth, and acknowledge the
miracles and resurrection of Jesus be rejected as false teachings? Was
Mohammed wrong to revere the Torah and the Gospels? Is the God
professed by Mohammed, (the God of Abraham- the same God that Jews
address as Jehovah, Muslims address as Allah, and Christians address as
Our Father and a variety of other terms), a false god?

Here are a few references to such issues, and from a Christian, not
Muslim, site:

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/quran-jesus.html


Unfortunately for those who seek a simplistic view of the world, Muslim
extremists are no more representative of mainstream Islam than the KKK
is representative of mainstream Christianity.

Spend a little less time hurling insults and calling names, and a
little more time studying actual sources- (listening to radio rabble
rousers with an agenda doesn't count). You may be surprised at what you
can learn.

How the hell did Rush Limbaugh get into this? Limbaugh has not, to my knowledge,
been down on Islam, per se. He gets down on the Muslim extremists. Your comments
so far have rung very truthful. Why interject party affiliations into them?

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

wrote in message
ups.com...


*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
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*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...


*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...


*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...


rebel wrote:
A Letter to Mankind
Dear fellow human,

Today humanity is being challenged. Unthinkable atrocities
take
place
on
daily basis. There is an evil force at work that aims to
destroy
us.
The
agents of this evil respect nothing; not even the lives of
children.
Every
day there are bombings, every day innocent people are
targeted
and
murdered.
It seems as if we are helpless. But we are not!

The ancient Chinese sage Sun Zi said, "Know your enemy and
you
won't
be
defeated". Do we know our enemy? If we don't, then we are
doomed.

Terrorism is not an ideology, it is a tool; but the
terrorists
kill
for
an
ideology. They call that ideology Islam.

The entire world, both Muslims and non-Muslims claim that the
terrorists
have hijacked "the religion of peace" and Islam does not
condone
violence.

Who is right? Do the terrorists understand Islam better, or
do
those
who
decry them? The answer to this question is the key to our
victory,
and
failure to find that key will result in our loss and death
will
be
upon
us.
The key is in the Quran and the history of Islam.

Those of us, who know Islam, know that the understanding of
the
terrorists
of Islam is correct. They are doing nothing that their
prophet
did
not
do
and did not encourage his followers to do. Murder, rape,
assassination,
beheading, massacre and sacrilege of the dead "to delight the
hearts
of
the
believers" were all practiced by Muhammad, were taught by him
and
were
observed by Muslims throughout their history.

If truth has ever mattered, it matters most now! This is the
time
that
we
have to call a spade a spade. This is the time that we have
to
find
the
root
of the problem and eradicate it. The root of Islamic
terrorism
is
Islam.
The
proof of that is the Quran.

We are a group of ex-Muslims who have seen the face of the
evil
and
have
risen to warn the world. No matter how painful the truth may
be,
only
truth
can set us free. Why this much denial? Why so much obstinacy?
How
many
more
innocent lives should be lost before YOU open your eyes? A
nuclear
disaster
is upon us. This will happen. It is not a question of "if"
but
"when".
Oblivious of that, the world is digging its head deeper in
the
sand.

We urge the Muslims to leave Islam. Stop with excuses,
justifications
and
rationalizations. Stop dividing mankind into "us" vs. "them"
and
Muslims
vs.
Kafirs. We are One people, One mankind! Muhammad was not a
messenger
of
God.
It is time that we end this insanity and face the truth. The
terrorists
take
their moral support and the validation for their actions from
you.
Your
very
adherence to their cult of death is a nod of approval for
their
crimes
against humanity.

We also urge the non-Muslims to stop being politically
correct
lest
they
hurt the sensitivities of the Muslims. To Hell with their
sensitivities!
Let
us save their lives, and the lives of millions of innocent
people.

Millions, if not billions of lives will be lost if we do
nothing.
Time
is
running out! "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good
people
to
do
nothing." Do something! Send this message to everyone in your
address
book
and ask them to do the same. Defeat Islam and stop terrorism.
This
is
your
world, save it.

The ex-Muslim Movement

www.faithfreedom.org



Shove this hateful crap someplace.

The "terrorists" represent Islam just about the same way that
the
Ku
Klux Klan
represents Christianity. "Kill an infidel for Allah" rings
just
as
hollow as "Lynch a ****** for Christ". Both are sick and
hateful
corruptions.


Bull. Why do you think terrorists are strapping bombs to their
bodies
and
killing innocent people Chuck?

It is indeed being done for their Allah.

I'm certain that you must be correct. How could my poorly
expressed
point hope to withstand your concise and shattering counter
argument,
("Bull"!)?


Unlike you I don't need to write an essay to express a thought or
opinion.

So answer the question.....why do you think terrorists are
strapping
bombs
to their bodies and killing innocent people?



I think that the desperate, the hungry, the poor, the ignorant,
zealots
of any persuaion, and the hateful can be easily manipulated by
people
professing any number of justifications.

The Islamic "terrorists" are no more motivated by true Islam than
the
KKK is motivated by true Christianity, (or than the anti-semitism of
Nazi Germany and the purity of the Aryan "race" was justified by
Christianity).

The party spreading this filth calls upon all Muslims to abandon
their
faith due to the actions of some terrorist criminals. Assuming you
are
a Christian, will you soon be abandoning your faith due to the
terrorist actions of the Ku Klux Klan, or is it possible to
repudiate
the Klan without repudiating Christianity?

Would you feel that Black, Jewish, and Catholic Americans were well
justified if they declared war on all WASPS due to the criminal
terrorist activities of splinter groups professing protestant
Christianity in the US? If not, why do we now hear so many defending
these calls for wars to "stamp out Islam" in response to the
criminal
terrorist activities of an extremist minority?



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Inside the mind of an Iraqi Suicide Bomber"

Time Magazine

"While he waits, he spends much of his time rehearsing that last
prayer.
"First I will ask Allah to bless my mission with a high rate of
casualties
among the Americans," he says, speaking softly in a matter-of-fact
monotone,
as if dictating a shopping list. "Then I will ask him to purify my
soul
so I
am fit to see him, and I will ask to see my mujahedin brothers who are
already with him." He pauses to run the list through his mind again,
then
resumes: "The most important thing is that he should let me kill many
Americans."

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle9327.htm

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


So?



And you busted my balls about my previous "bull" comment?

How absolutely funny.

"Who, me?"....eh?

Sign on forehead: Try to be sure brain is in motion before putting
mouth or keyboard in gear.

Works like this, JimH

1. You offered a quote from a Muslim terrorist, calling upon Allah, as
proof that Islam is a violent religion and all Muslims believe they
should rise up against the west.


Really. My quote was proof that "Islam is a violent religion and all
Muslims believe they should rise up against the west"?

Hitting the bottle again Chuckie? It sounds like it.

I am getting a bit tired of the way you misrepresent and spin what I
*actually* said. This is another of your MO's now, besides the "who, me?"
position you normally take when nailed on something.

The bull comment was in response to your comment of :

"Kill an infidel for Allah" rings just as hollow as "Lynch a ****** for
Christ". Both are sick and hateful corruptions."

I offered a quote from an actual terrorist suicide bomber who made it clear
his main reason was for seeing Allah.

It is all about Allah for them.

So yes, bull. I am tired of playing your little game Chuckles.

Let me know when you will finally stop the lies and spins.....maybe then we
can have an honest discussion.