Jim wrote:

For reasons I don't understand I am getting sample copies of a magazine
called "UTNE", sort of a combo new age, liberal, holistic thing.

Anyhow page 15 has a small insert titled "Land of the free?"

Incarceration rates in George W Bush's America and Stalin's USSR

U.S.S.R (1950) 1423 per 100,000

U.S.A (2000) 2298 per 100,000

Incarceration of black men in South Africa before ANC rule, and in
contemporary America

South Africa (1993) 851 per 100,000

U.S.A. (2002) 7150 per 100,000

Source U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics Prison Policy Initiative "The
International Use of Incarceration" By Marc Mauer The Sentencing Project.



Yeah, we have a well-deserved rep in this country for being the
imprisonment capital of the universe, along with one of the few capital
punishment nations among western democracies. Oh...we also have a a dumb
ass as POTUS.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Jim wrote:

For reasons I don't understand I am getting sample copies of a magazine
called "UTNE", sort of a combo new age, liberal, holistic thing.
Yeah, we have a well-deserved rep in this country for being the
imprisonment capital of the universe, along with one of the few capital
punishment nations among western democracies. Oh...we also have a a dumb
ass as POTUS.

Most of these incarcerations are at the state, county and municipal level,
so POTUS has nothing to do w/ it, Mr. Krause.

Also, look at the FBI crime statistics. Many violent crimes are on the
decrease. Coincidence? I think not.

.....farting in your general direction....

"Zing" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Jim wrote:

For reasons I don't understand I am getting sample copies of a
magazine
called "UTNE", sort of a combo new age, liberal, holistic thing.
Yeah, we have a well-deserved rep in this country for being the
imprisonment capital of the universe, along with one of the few capital
punishment nations among western democracies. Oh...we also have a a dumb

ass as POTUS.

Most of these incarcerations are at the state, county and municipal level,
so POTUS has nothing to do w/ it, Mr. Krause.

Would you care to rethink that statement?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Most of these incarcerations are at the state, county and municipal
level,
so POTUS has nothing to do w/ it, Mr. Krause.

Would you care to rethink that statement?

Sure, I'd be happy to rethink the statement.
OK......thinking.....Googling.......DONE.

Here are some summary statistics from the US Dept. of Justice, Office of
Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/sent.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/correct.htm

For 2000, only 6% of all felons went to the federal pen. This did not
include the inmates in county and municipal lock ups (stats below). I
imagine years prior to 2000 would show about the same percentages.

State legislatures & the Governors enact the STATE laws. Offenders of STATE
law go to STATE prison.

The US Congress, US Senate and the POTUS enact the FEDERAL laws. Offenders
of FEDERAL law go to FEDERAL prison. So how is the POTUS responsible, say,
for a wife beater in an Indiana prison, a burglar in Florida, or a boat
thief in Deale Maryland? ]

Here's a little cut 'n paste from their web site:

In 2000, State and Federal courts convicted a combined total of nearly
984,000 adults of felonies -- State courts convicted an estimated 924,700
adults and Federal courts convicted 59,123 adults (accounting for 6% of the
national total.)

In 2002, 6.7 million people were on probation, in jail or prison, or on
parole at yearend 2002 -- 3.1% of all U.S. adult residents or 1 in every 32
adults.


State and Federal prison authorities had under their jurisdiction 1,440,655
inmates at yearend 2002: 1,277,127 under State jurisdiction and 163,528
under Federal jurisdiction.


Local jails held or supervised 737,912 persons awaiting trial or serving a
sentence at midyear 2002. About 72,400 of these were persons serving their
sentence in the community.


States spend more on criminal justice than municipalities, counties, or the
Federal government.

After dramatic increases in the 1980s and 1990s, the incarceration rate has
recently leveled off.

The number of prisoners under sentence of death at yearend 2002 decreased
for the second consecutive year.

Serious violent crime levels declined since 1993.

Property crime rates continue to decline.

Violent crime rates declined for both males and females since 1994. Rates
for men and women are getting closer in recent years.

Firearm-related crime has plummeted since 1993.

The estimated number of arrests for drug abuse violations decreased slightly
from 2001 to 2002.


Theft rates continue to decline.

Burglary rates continue to decline

After declining since 1992, motor vehicle theft rates leveled off after
2000.

Nonfatal firearm crime rates have declined since 1994, reaching the lowest
level ever recorded in 2002.

My conclusion: The UTNE fish wrapper Jim gets is full of it. (no wonder they
have to give it away unsolicited) They've confused the 6.7 million people
who were on probation, in jail or prison, or on parole at year end 2002 with
the 2.18 million (Fed, state, local) actually IN prison. Extreme liberals
love to play fast and loose with the truth, but it just makes them look
ridiculous to anyone who cares to look at the facts.

I'm not saying that the incarceration stats aren't frightening, but you'll
see that when prison rate increases, crime seems to go down! Who woulda have
thunk that?

I wonder if the new age libs of UTNE would advocate a wholesale amnesty for
all those poor incarcerated souls. It would be funny to see their faces at
their love-ins in Sedona AZ as crazed maniacs pilfered their Volvo wagons,
hauling off all those crystals and granola bars.

Regards - Zing

"Zing" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Most of these incarcerations are at the state, county and municipal
level,
so POTUS has nothing to do w/ it, Mr. Krause.

Would you care to rethink that statement?

Sure, I'd be happy to rethink the statement.
OK......thinking.....Googling.......DONE.

snip

Too bad you spent all that time writing. This class ends soon. If this is
your thesis, it's indefensible. Please go back and start over with the RIGHT
theory.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Sure, I'd be happy to rethink the statement.
OK......thinking.....Googling.......DONE.

snip

Huh?

Too bad you spent all that time writing.

Thanks for your heartfealt concern Doug. I canz tipe reely fast so it wasnt
to bad plus it wasnt that much writin cuz most wus cut an paste sinz you
asked me to rethink my statement an i use that goooogle thingy to check
stuff out. yes sometime facts are a bummer cuz they lay waste to our closely
held beliefs.

This class ends soon.
I hope so. I'm rained in, can't go anywhere and bored to death, hence my
fooling around here.

If this is
your thesis, it's indefensible. Please go back and start over with the
RIGHT
theory.


Wasn't really a thesis (I wrote one once). Just a collection of indisputable
facts and my personal conclusion. Plus its fun to play with the libs. Even
more fun than playing with the neocons. Doug, what's the RIGHT theory? Doug,
what's YOUR theory? Please keep it short - typing is hard work.

Kind Regards - Your pal Zing

"Zing" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Sure, I'd be happy to rethink the statement.
OK......thinking.....Googling.......DONE.

snip

Huh?

Too bad you spent all that time writing.

Thanks for your heartfealt concern Doug. I canz tipe reely fast so it
wasnt
to bad plus it wasnt that much writin cuz most wus cut an paste sinz you
asked me to rethink my statement an i use that goooogle thingy to check
stuff out. yes sometime facts are a bummer cuz they lay waste to our
closely
held beliefs.

"Rethink" means you head to the web? That's not thinking.

Zing wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Jim wrote:


For reasons I don't understand I am getting sample copies of a magazine
called "UTNE", sort of a combo new age, liberal, holistic thing.

Yeah, we have a well-deserved rep in this country for being the
imprisonment capital of the universe, along with one of the few capital
punishment nations among western democracies. Oh...we also have a a dumb

ass as POTUS.

Most of these incarcerations are at the state, county and municipal level,
so POTUS has nothing to do w/ it, Mr. Krause.

Also, look at the FBI crime statistics. Many violent crimes are on the
decrease. Coincidence? I think not.

....farting in your general direction....


What? You're denying we have a dumb ass as president?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Zing wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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What? You're denying we have a dumb ass as president?

Dumb, or dumb-ass?

Well, I'm not privy to the results of his IQ test. His SAT scores were
higher than average, but that and a buck twenty five get you a cup of
coffee. Yes, the man can and does mangle the English language, but despite
what we Usenet pundits think, this is not necessarily a reflection of
intelligence. Sheesh, the libs have been saying every Republican since Ike
is an idiot (Nixon excepted - their view painted him more of an evil genius,
and they were correct that he was evil, but wrong in thinking he was a
dastardly genius). Yea, Ike, Ford, Reagan, Bush and Bush Jr. are all idiots.
Bush 1 was even a wimp early in his campaign until the lazy lib press
finally got around to digging up his service as a WWII dive bomber pilot.

How come libs get it wrong so often? Why so recalcitrant? Are they too dumb
(or dumb-assed) to ever change strategy?

Regards - Zing

http://www.insidepolitics.org/heard/heard32300.html
Confidential college transcripts and test scores obtained by the Washington
Post reveal that neither presidential candidate, George W. Bush nor Al Gore,
were shining students during their college days at Yale and Harvard,
respectively. Although each earned respectable scores on the SAT college
admissions test (a total of 1355 of 1600 for Gore and 1206 for Bush),
neither did that well in their college courses. Both earned a mix of B and C
grades. Gore's lowest grade of D came in a natural sciences course, while
his top grades were an A in French and English, an A in Visual and
Environmental Studies, and an A- in Social Relations. Bush's lowest marks
were a 70 (of 100) in Sociology and a 71 in Economics, while his highest
scores were High Passes in History and Japanese.


"Zing" wrote in message
news

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Zing wrote:


Well, I'm not privy to the results of his IQ test. His SAT scores were
higher than average, but that and a buck twenty five get you a cup of
coffee. Yes, the man can and does mangle the English language, but despite
what we Usenet pundits think, this is not necessarily a reflection of
intelligence. Sheesh, the libs have been saying every Republican since Ike
is an idiot (Nixon excepted - their view painted him more of an evil
genius,
and they were correct that he was evil, but wrong in thinking he was a
dastardly genius). Yea, Ike, Ford, Reagan, Bush and Bush Jr. are all
idiots.
Bush 1 was even a wimp early in his campaign until the lazy lib press
finally got around to digging up his service as a WWII dive bomber pilot.