"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
China June trade surplus swells five-fold
Monday July 11, 8:43 AM EDT


BEIJING (Reuters) - China's trade surplus for June swelled five-fold from
a year earlier as exports grew much faster than imports, offering more
ammunition for foreign critics who argue that Beijing should let the yuan
rise in value.

The June surplus grew to $9.68 billion, exceeding forecasts of $8.0
billion and towering above the $1.8 billion surplus recorded for June
2004.

"The very large trade surplus will give the U.S. and Europe more excuse
to put pressure on China to revalue the yuan," said Toshikatsu Kimura,
greater China economist with Daiwa Securities in Shanghai.

"China needs to import more goods and services to avoid a trade war, but
it will be very difficult to import more if it doesn't want to change its
macroeconomic policy," he said.

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When the trade war begins (and it will), will China attack Taiwan as a
message/warning to the US that it can't be pushed around? Or will they
cave on the yuan, and finally let it float?


The PRC doesn't have to do anything. It's already won.

This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining the
US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by
China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it won't
be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol
and on the news. Just watch.

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...
This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining the
US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by
China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it won't
be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol
and on the news. Just watch.


Please leave Canada out of your rant. Canada enjoys it's trading status
with China.
Please read the statement from one of Canada's experts on Foreign Trade.

Jim

Understanding Canada-China Trade - May 19, 2004
By Stephen S. Poloz, Senior Vice-President and Chief Economist , Export
Development Canada


There is a view making the rounds that Canada is getting the short end of
the stick when it comes to trading with China. We buy more from them than
they buy from us, and mostly they buy our raw materials and sell us
high-value goods, like DVD players, or so the argument goes.
It is true that China is adjusting only gradually to the rules of
international trade, and is not all the way there yet. But this is not
unlike the phasing-in that other countries typically go through after
negotiating a free trade agreement - Canada included. More importantly,
China is on track to become the largest economy in the world. Its consumer
class will expand, its service sector will dominate economic growth, and it
will require sophisticated infrastructure. Chinese consumers will want to
fly on airplanes, talk on cell phones, work on computers, watch North
American movies, visit Canada, and will buy cabinets, doors, windows and
hardwood floors for their houses - many of which are Canadian strengths.

Canada's exports to China are not all rocks and trees, even today. True,
about 45% of our $5 billion in sales to China are resources, including
agri-food, forestry, metals and minerals. Another 18% is in chemicals and
plastics. But over 25% of our exports are manufactures, of which a third are
automotive parts and tooling. Another 11% of our exports to China are
services, including tourism (Chinese visits to Canada) and engineering,
consulting and other professional services.

Critics respond that our imports from China have grown much more than our
exports, so we are losing by that trading relationship. This is, quite
simply, the wrong way to look at trade. Every international transaction
benefits two parties - the exporter and the importer - regardless of which
direction the sale is going. Canada benefits from being able to purchase
inexpensive DVD players, footwear or clothing; this gives us more purchasing
power than we would without trade with China, and the leftover money gets
spent as well - and about 70% of every dollar we spend goes on Canadian
goods and especially services, which helps our service sector grow.

Furthermore, our exporters benefit by importing components from China to
build into their products. This boosts productivity and lowers costs, which
means more export sales to the U.S. and elsewhere. Trade should more often
be seen as triangular, rather than bilateral - it is quite reasonable to
have large trade deficits with some countries (which may be mainly
suppliers) and surpluses with others (mainly customers) to maintain an
overall balance.

Where are the big opportunities in China? There will be massive investments
in power generation, transportation, mining, waste treatment and water
purification, where Canada can supply services and goods. Farm and medical
equipment, automotive tooling and robotics, pharmaceuticals, engineered wood
products and education services also have high potential.

The bottom line? Trade with China is already delivering big benefits to
Canada, and we expect two-way trade to grow rapidly in coming years. But it
is important to remember that trade is not just about exporting - the
benefits from trade come from both exports and imports.



The views expressed here are those of the author, and not necessarily of
Export Development Canada.





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"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...
This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining
the
US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by
China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it
won't
be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol
and on the news. Just watch.


Please leave Canada out of your rant. Canada enjoys it's trading
status
with China.

Hehehe. Trade status? Wal-Mart buys more from China than Canada buys from
China. *That's* "trade status".



Perhaps the G8 ought to be expanded to the G9...with the Walton's as the
ninth trade power. Or we could just make it the G6...and drop Australia,
Canada, and Russia off the list and add Wal-Mart...since Wal-Mart does more
in trade with China than any of them.

The only reason Canadians claim that they "enjoy their trade status" with
China is because they're afraid of losing their best trade partner (US!) if
the dollar plummets due to a U.S./China trade war.

"Furthermore, our exporters benefit by importing components from China to
build into their products. This boosts productivity and lowers costs, which
means more export sales to the U.S. and elsewhere."

Don't count on it. We're not going to import a whole lot of Canadian goods
if the Chinese do anything (ie-dump T-bills) to further devalue the dollar.

The Canadians are getting ahead of themselves. They're banking on China
becoming the World's largest economy. The best estimate as to when this
will happen is 35+ years from now. They're looking at the long-term...and
forgetting that in the short-term their economy almost completely relies
upon the U.S. Don't stand with us now on this trade issue with the Chinese,
and you'll be hurtin' for certain in the short term.

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...
This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining
the
US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by
China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it
won't
be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol
and on the news. Just watch.


Please leave Canada out of your rant. Canada enjoys it's trading
status
with China.
Please read the statement from one of Canada's experts on Foreign Trade.

Like it or not Canada is a pawn in the world of trade.

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...
This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining
the
US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed
by
China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it
won't
be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the
Capitol
and on the news. Just watch.


Please leave Canada out of your rant. Canada enjoys it's trading
status
with China.
Please read the statement from one of Canada's experts on Foreign Trade.


Like it or not Canada is a pawn in the world of trade.

But that's their choice, right ?

NOYB wrote:

This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining the
US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by
China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it won't
be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol
and on the news. Just watch.

That's odd, I thought that Republicans praise the mantra of government
not getting involved in private business practices.

wrote in message
ups.com...


NOYB wrote:

This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining
the
US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by
China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it
won't
be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol
and on the news. Just watch.

That's odd, I thought that Republicans praise the mantra of government
not getting involved in private business practices.


It must be tough living in the black and white world of yours Kevin.

Time for you to see the Wizard.

"*JimH*" wrote in message
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wrote in message
ups.com...


NOYB wrote:

This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining
the
US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed
by
China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it
won't
be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the
Capitol
and on the news. Just watch.

That's odd, I thought that Republicans praise the mantra of government
not getting involved in private business practices.


It must be tough living in the black and white world of yours Kevin.

Time for you to see the Wizard.



Actually, Kevin lives in a brown fog world......because he constantly has
his head up his (or harry's) ass.

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...


NOYB wrote:

This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining
the
US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed by
China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it
won't
be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the Capitol
and on the news. Just watch.

That's odd, I thought that Republicans praise the mantra of government
not getting involved in private business practices.


It must be tough living in the black and white world of yours Kevin.

Time for you to see the Wizard.

Idiot. I'm not Kevin. Are you ****ing retarded or what? I've told you
that over, and over, you petty, spineless piece of ****. Now, do you
disagree that Republicans are in favor of the government NOT getting
involved in private business? Are you saying that it's okay for them to
now flip-flop because they don't like practicing what they preach,
****stain?

wrote in message
oups.com...


*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...


NOYB wrote:

This is more than US vs. China. Japan, Europe, and Canada are joining
the
US in our displeasure with the unfair trade practices being committed
by
China. Today's data will bring this issue to the forefront...and it
won't
be long before the "T" word (tariffs) becomes all the talk in the
Capitol
and on the news. Just watch.

That's odd, I thought that Republicans praise the mantra of government
not getting involved in private business practices.


It must be tough living in the black and white world of yours Kevin.

Time for you to see the Wizard.

Idiot. I'm not Kevin. Are you ****ing retarded or what? I've told you
that over, and over, you petty, spineless piece of ****.

Whatever you say Kevin.