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U.S. Army Says It Finds Shell with Sarin Agent in Iraq


BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A small amount of the nerve agent sarin was found in a
shell that exploded in Iraq, the U.S. army said Monday in the first
announcement of discovery of any of the weapons on which Washington made its
case for war.



Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt told a news conference the substance had been
found in an artillery shell inside a bag discovered by a U.S. convoy a few
days ago. The round had exploded, causing a small release of the substance,
he said.


"The Iraq Survey Group has confirmed today that a 155 (mm) artillery round
containing sarin nerve agent had been found. The round had been rigged as an
IED (improvised explosive device) that was discovered by a U.S. force
convoy," he said.


"A detonation occurred before the IED be could be rendered inoperable,"
Kimmitt said, adding that two members of an explosives team had been treated
for exposure to the substance.


Kimmitt said the round, designed to mix the sarin in flight, belonged to a
class of ordnance that the ousted government of Saddam Hussein claimed to
have destroyed before the 1991 Gulf war.


"It is a weapon that we believe was stocked from the ex-regime time, and it
had been thought to be an ordinary artillery shell set up to explode like an
ordinary IED... when it exploded it indicated that it actually had some
sarin in it," he said.


IEDs are bombs usually planted at the side of the road to explode as
coalition vehicles pass.


The United States launched its invasion of Iraq last year, accusing
then-president Saddam Hussein of developing chemical, biological and
possibly nuclear weapons. Failure to find such weapons has stirred criticism
in the United States and Britain, Washington's closest ally in the war.



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In February, 2003, Powell said that al Zaqarwi was an al Qaeda agent
operating in northeastern Iraq. We now know that is true, as he's the one
currently organizing the attacks against US and Iraqi troops. Powell also
mentioned something about WMD's, didn't he? Seems he was right about that
one as well.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c3dhc2g=.24601e13bff66cd6cb64f2925be01c0b@108 4812164.nulluser.com...
NOYB wrote:

U.S. Army Says It Finds Shell with Sarin Agent in Iraq


BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A small amount of the nerve agent sarin was found in
a
shell that exploded in Iraq, the U.S. army said Monday in the first
announcement of discovery of any of the weapons on which Washington
made its
case for war.



Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt told a news conference the substance
had been
found in an artillery shell inside a bag discovered by a U.S. convoy a
few
days ago. The round had exploded, causing a small release of the
substance,
he said.



1. We have no idea where this bit of sarin originated. It could have
come from ebay.

2. What is interesting is that the Iraqi insurgents are now using
this against US troops, but Saddam didn't. I would say that "that" is
is the important fact, and demonstrates what we are in for as long as we
maintain ourselves as the invaders of Iraq.

Saddam truly believed that there'd be an eleventh hour deal brokered by the
French or Russians...and if he could hide his weapons until the heat dropped
a little, he'd escape with his hidden weapons intact.

Obviously, the al Qaeda terrorists have stumbled across the hidden WMD
before we did. Or they've brought 'em back from Syria (the place where they
were sent before the war).



3. A bit of sarin is hardly a WMD.

Depends upon if you're upwind or downwind after a sarin-filled munition is
detonated, eh?

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"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c3dhc2g=.24601e13bff66cd6cb64f2925be01c0b@108 4812164.nulluser.com...
NOYB wrote:

U.S. Army Says It Finds Shell with Sarin Agent in Iraq


BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A small amount of the nerve agent sarin was found
in
a
shell that exploded in Iraq, the U.S. army said Monday in the first
announcement of discovery of any of the weapons on which Washington
made its
case for war.



Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt told a news conference the substance
had been
found in an artillery shell inside a bag discovered by a U.S. convoy a
few
days ago. The round had exploded, causing a small release of the
substance,
he said.



1. We have no idea where this bit of sarin originated. It could have
come from ebay.

2. What is interesting is that the Iraqi insurgents are now using
this against US troops, but Saddam didn't. I would say that "that" is
is the important fact, and demonstrates what we are in for as long as we
maintain ourselves as the invaders of Iraq.

Saddam truly believed that there'd be an eleventh hour deal brokered by
the
French or Russians...and if he could hide his weapons until the heat
dropped
a little, he'd escape with his hidden weapons intact.

Based on the info so far, you need to remove the "s" from "weapons".

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NOYB wrote:
In February, 2003, Powell said that al Zaqarwi was an al Qaeda agent
operating in northeastern Iraq.

You mean, in the Kurd controlled area? How long are you going to keep
shooting yourself in the foot with this one?

Actually, since most of the Sept 11th terrorists were Saudis, and the
Bush family as well as the Bush/Cheney administration are great pals
with the Saudis; + the fact that this guy al Zaqarwi was in Kurd
territory and not only did Bush buddy up to the Kurds but he angered our
long standing & staunch allies the Turks by doing so... that looks to me
like there is a better case to be made that Bush has ties to Al Queda
than that Saddam did.

... We now know that is true, as he's the one
currently organizing the attacks against US and Iraqi troops. Powell also
mentioned something about WMD's, didn't he? Seems he was right about that
one as well.

Yes, I distinctly remember him saying to the U.N. that the Iraqis had an
shell full of sarin...

Good work, comrade NOBBY.

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
NOYB wrote:
In February, 2003, Powell said that al Zaqarwi was an al Qaeda agent
operating in northeastern Iraq.

You mean, in the Kurd controlled area? How long are you going to keep
shooting yourself in the foot with this one?

Actually, since most of the Sept 11th terrorists were Saudis, and the
Bush family as well as the Bush/Cheney administration are great pals
with the Saudis; + the fact that this guy al Zaqarwi was in Kurd
territory and not only did Bush buddy up to the Kurds but he angered our
long standing & staunch allies the Turks by doing so... that looks to me
like there is a better case to be made that Bush has ties to Al Queda
than that Saddam did.


Perhaps in *your* screwed up mind...


... We now know that is true, as he's the one
currently organizing the attacks against US and Iraqi troops. Powell
also
mentioned something about WMD's, didn't he? Seems he was right about
that
one as well.

Yes, I distinctly remember him saying to the U.N. that the Iraqis had an
shell full of sarin...


That shell is the tip of the iceberg.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
NOYB wrote:
In February, 2003, Powell said that al Zaqarwi was an al Qaeda agent
operating in northeastern Iraq.

You mean, in the Kurd controlled area? How long are you going to keep
shooting yourself in the foot with this one?

Actually, since most of the Sept 11th terrorists were Saudis, and the
Bush family as well as the Bush/Cheney administration are great pals
with the Saudis; + the fact that this guy al Zaqarwi was in Kurd
territory and not only did Bush buddy up to the Kurds but he angered our
long standing & staunch allies the Turks by doing so... that looks to me
like there is a better case to be made that Bush has ties to Al Queda
than that Saddam did.


Perhaps in *your* screwed up mind...


... We now know that is true, as he's the one
currently organizing the attacks against US and Iraqi troops. Powell
also
mentioned something about WMD's, didn't he? Seems he was right about
that
one as well.

Yes, I distinctly remember him saying to the U.N. that the Iraqis had an
shell full of sarin...


That shell is the tip of the iceberg.

Please provide the following information:

1) Wednesday's winning Lotto numbers for NY.
2) The number of fish I will catch this evening, and what species.
3) Which of your patients will be in a car accident within the next 6
months.

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On Mon, 17 May 2004 15:50:26 +0000, NOYB wrote:

U.S. Army Says It Finds Shell with Sarin Agent in Iraq

"However, a senior coalition source has told the BBC the round does not
signal the discovery of weapons of mass destruction or the escalation of
insurgent activity."

"He said the round dated back to the Iran-Iraq war and coalition officials
were not sure whether the fighters even knew what it contained."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3722255.stm

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NOYB wrote:
Perhaps in *your* screwed up mind...

You mean, paying attention to the facts is "screwed up?"


That shell is the tip of the iceberg.

Sure, NOBBY, sure.

Meanwhile, please explain to me what ties Al Zaqarwi had with Saddam
Hussein... when he was living & operating in an area where the US
exerted more control than Iraq...

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .

That shell is the tip of the iceberg.

Sure, NOBBY, sure.

Meanwhile, please explain to me what ties Al Zaqarwi had with Saddam
Hussein... when he was living & operating in an area where the US
exerted more control than Iraq...

DSK

Easy there, Doug. You're dealing with someone who needs to have a minimal
amount of information perfectly arranged and never disturbed. Sort of like
Dustin Hoffman in "Rainman".

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
NOYB wrote:
In February, 2003, Powell said that al Zaqarwi was an al Qaeda agent
operating in northeastern Iraq.

You mean, in the Kurd controlled area? How long are you going to keep
shooting yourself in the foot with this one?

Actually, since most of the Sept 11th terrorists were Saudis, and the
Bush family as well as the Bush/Cheney administration are great pals
with the Saudis; + the fact that this guy al Zaqarwi was in Kurd
territory and not only did Bush buddy up to the Kurds but he angered
our
long standing & staunch allies the Turks by doing so... that looks to
me
like there is a better case to be made that Bush has ties to Al Queda
than that Saddam did.


Perhaps in *your* screwed up mind...


... We now know that is true, as he's the one
currently organizing the attacks against US and Iraqi troops.
Powell
also
mentioned something about WMD's, didn't he? Seems he was right
about
that
one as well.

Yes, I distinctly remember him saying to the U.N. that the Iraqis had
an
shell full of sarin...


That shell is the tip of the iceberg.

Please provide the following information:

1) Wednesday's winning Lotto numbers for NY.
2) The number of fish I will catch this evening, and what species.
3) Which of your patients will be in a car accident within the next 6
months.

Number 3 would be easy. When they're deaf and near-blind, and their cars
look like they're fresh off the set of Mad Max, it's a sure bet that they'll
be in an accident withing the next 6 months. Number 2 would be easy as
well: you'll catch no fish tonight. Number 1 is purely random, so there's
no way to accurately predict it.

Number 4, "Finding the WMD", is a sure thing however.

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"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 May 2004 15:50:26 +0000, NOYB wrote:

U.S. Army Says It Finds Shell with Sarin Agent in Iraq

"However, a senior coalition source

*My* story quotes an actual named source (Gen. Kimmitt). *Your* story
quotes an anonymous "senior coalition source". Consequently, I'd be more
inclined to believe my story than yours.

Liberals seem to quote a lot of anonymous sources. Is that because most
people don't want to admit to talking to liberals? Or is it because liberals
lie about their sources?

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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
NOYB wrote:
Perhaps in *your* screwed up mind...

You mean, paying attention to the facts is "screwed up?"


That shell is the tip of the iceberg.

Sure, NOBBY, sure.

Meanwhile, please explain to me what ties Al Zaqarwi had with Saddam
Hussein... when he was living & operating in an area where the US
exerted more control than Iraq...

According to Colin Powell's speech to the UN on Feb. 5th, 2003:


a.. Abu Musaq Zaqarwi: poison terror training center, including ricin.
Photo of factory at Kurmal. One pinch kills in 72 hours, no antidote.
a.. Developed with al Qaeda safe haven in Kurdish NE Iraq, where Saddam
has agent.
a.. Terrorists have gathered in Baghdad for 8 months. In contact with al-
Zaqarwi.

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Colon Powel last Sunday on Meet The Press... We have found that our
multisourced information from before the war was incorrect.

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
NOYB wrote:
Perhaps in *your* screwed up mind...

You mean, paying attention to the facts is "screwed up?"


That shell is the tip of the iceberg.

Sure, NOBBY, sure.

Meanwhile, please explain to me what ties Al Zaqarwi had with Saddam
Hussein... when he was living & operating in an area where the US
exerted more control than Iraq...

According to Colin Powell's speech to the UN on Feb. 5th, 2003:


a.. Abu Musaq Zaqarwi: poison terror training center, including ricin.
Photo of factory at Kurmal. One pinch kills in 72 hours, no antidote.
a.. Developed with al Qaeda safe haven in Kurdish NE Iraq, where Saddam
has agent.
a.. Terrorists have gathered in Baghdad for 8 months. In contact with
al-
Zaqarwi.

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wrote in message
link.net...
Colon Powel last Sunday on Meet The Press... We have found that our
multisourced information from before the war was incorrect.


Great. And what specifically was he referring to? Certainly not al Qaeda's
link to Saddam.

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Sorry Noyb... You appear to be wrong again

http://www.wtkr.com/global/story.asp?s=1873574
Rumsfeld says it wasn't necessarily sarin

Washington-AP -- Don't jump to any conclusions just yet. That warning comes
from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, after the U-S military in Iraq
announced that a roadside bomb containing sarin nerve gas had exploded near
a U-S military convoy.

Rumsfeld told a Washington, D-C audience that the "field test" showing the
presence of sarin may not be accurate. He says more analysis needs to be
done -- and that it may take some time to find out just what the chemical
was.

In Baghdad, officials said the bomb was apparently left over from the Saddam
era. They said two members of a military bomb squad were treated for "minor
exposure" -- but that there were no serious injuries.

One official says the shell apparently contained two chemicals that are
designed to combine and create sarin -- but that they didn't mix properly.

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
NOYB wrote:
In February, 2003, Powell said that al Zaqarwi was an al Qaeda
agent
operating in northeastern Iraq.

You mean, in the Kurd controlled area? How long are you going to
keep
shooting yourself in the foot with this one?

Actually, since most of the Sept 11th terrorists were Saudis, and
the
Bush family as well as the Bush/Cheney administration are great pals
with the Saudis; + the fact that this guy al Zaqarwi was in Kurd
territory and not only did Bush buddy up to the Kurds but he angered
our
long standing & staunch allies the Turks by doing so... that looks
to
me
like there is a better case to be made that Bush has ties to Al
Queda
than that Saddam did.


Perhaps in *your* screwed up mind...


... We now know that is true, as he's the one
currently organizing the attacks against US and Iraqi troops.
Powell
also
mentioned something about WMD's, didn't he? Seems he was right
about
that
one as well.

Yes, I distinctly remember him saying to the U.N. that the Iraqis
had
an
shell full of sarin...


That shell is the tip of the iceberg.

Please provide the following information:

1) Wednesday's winning Lotto numbers for NY.
2) The number of fish I will catch this evening, and what species.
3) Which of your patients will be in a car accident within the next 6
months.

Number 3 would be easy. When they're deaf and near-blind, and their cars
look like they're fresh off the set of Mad Max, it's a sure bet that
they'll
be in an accident withing the next 6 months. Number 2 would be easy as
well: you'll catch no fish tonight. Number 1 is purely random, so
there's
no way to accurately predict it.

Number 4, "Finding the WMD", is a sure thing however.

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Is this the same Colin Powell who has said that the Bush administration
has deliberately kept him misinformed, and who said that he in turn
mislead the UN?

NOYB wrote:
According to Colin Powell's speech to the UN on Feb. 5th, 2003:


a.. Abu Musaq Zaqarwi: poison terror training center, including ricin.
Photo of factory at Kurmal.

And this is proof of Saddam's involvement... how?

... One pinch kills in 72 hours, no antidote.

Other than to invoke panic, is there any reason that the effectiveness
of the poison is evidence against Saddam?

a.. Developed with al Qaeda safe haven in Kurdish NE Iraq, where Saddam
has agent.

Trying to help or hurt? Considering that Al Queda had several times
publicly declared Saddam Hussein to be one of their biggest enemies, it
seems unlikely to me that an "Al queda safe haven" in territory
controlled by enemies of Saddam is very good proof he was involved in
the Sept 11th attack.

a.. Terrorists have gathered in Baghdad for 8 months. In contact with al-
Zaqarwi.

Which terrorists? Gathering for what purpose?

It seems very murky and incomplete to me. OTOH the simple facts are that
the Sept 11th terrorists were Saudis and Egyptian. Have we seen any
anti-terrorist operations in Egypt on Saudi Arabia?

But wait, there's more. The Turks were among our best allies in the
Middle East, now they are coming to hate us. The Syrians were very
cooperative in anti-terrorist operations, now Bush & Cheney have slapped
them with sanctions and they are likely to begin aiding & abetting them.
North Korea is closer than ever to having an atom bomb, and Bush &
Cheney have done nothing about that. Furthermore, Wolfowitz and
Rumsfeld's policy of deliberately flouting the Geneva Convention seems
to be skating closer and closer to a war crimes issue. Their
politicization of the U.S. intelligence community is making it less and
less effective.

This is just a short list, and makes it readily apparent that Bush &
Cheney's strategy seems curiously ineffective in fighting terrorism.
OTOH it is tremendously effective in generating profits for military
contractors starting with Halliburton of course.

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Is this the same Colin Powell who has said that the Bush administration
has deliberately kept him misinformed, and who said that he in turn
mislead the UN?


Powell never claimed such a thing.

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"NOYB" wrote in message news:Ud6qc.14427
Depends upon if you're upwind or downwind after a sarin-filled munition is
detonated, eh?

You need to at least learn to read, and comprehend what you have read.
"Sarin filled"????? It was found to have TRACES of Sarin!!!!!!

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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message news:Ud6qc.14427
Depends upon if you're upwind or downwind after a sarin-filled munition
is
detonated, eh?

You need to at least learn to read, and comprehend what you have read.
"Sarin filled"????? It was found to have TRACES of Sarin!!!!!!

And, last nights news quoted Army sources as saying that since field tests
weren't as accurate as lab tests, no conclusions should be drawn about
ANYTHING regarding the issue yet.

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And, last nights news quoted Army sources as saying that since field tests
weren't as accurate as lab tests, no conclusions should be drawn about
ANYTHING regarding the issue yet.

Point of reference:

In the early days of the war, we will all recall fresh reports of chemical and
biological weapons on almost a daily basis. Every single case, except for some
10-year old munitions forgotten in the desert after Gulf War I (that had
literally rusted through and were not usable in any form), was ultimately
revealed to be a false alarm based on an inaccurate field test.

If the bad actors in Iraq had chemical or bio weapons, they would be using
them.
If you're willing to behead a guy on video tape, there isn't much that you
would avoid doing.

Is it somehow weird to be sorry there wasn't really a mountain of chemical and
biological weapons in Iraq? Other than vindicating Bush's initial justification
for the invasion, what good would they do?

Let's be glad there weren't any weapons to find, glad Hussein is out of power,
and hopeful that our national adventure in Iraq will come to an honorable end.
Sooner, rather than later.

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NOYB wrote:

Liberals seem to quote a lot of anonymous sources. Is that because most
people don't want to admit to talking to liberals? Or is it because liberals
lie about their sources?

It's because the few neocons who are bothered by the stink of a decaying
regime are still too frightened to speak openly.

Read a few history books, NOYB. Without exception they show you the
course of the next few years. It's a shame Bush has never read one.

Rick

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"Rick" wrote in message
. net...
NOYB wrote:

Liberals seem to quote a lot of anonymous sources. Is that because most
people don't want to admit to talking to liberals? Or is it because
liberals
lie about their sources?

It's because the few neocons who are bothered by the stink of a decaying
regime are still too frightened to speak openly.

Read a few history books, NOYB. Without exception they show you the
course of the next few years. It's a shame Bush has never read one.

Rick


Phillippines. In between a million other things, I've been working my way
through a great book on our little adventure there. There are paragraphs
which could be dropped verbatim into a current newspaper article on Iraq,
and still be 100% accurate. And, there are entire chapters which fit the
current situation perfectly if the names of the politicians were changed.
There's even a latter-day Michael Moo Mark Twain.

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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message news:Ud6qc.14427
Depends upon if you're upwind or downwind after a sarin-filled munition
is
detonated, eh?

You need to at least learn to read, and comprehend what you have read.
"Sarin filled"????? It was found to have TRACES of Sarin!!!!!!

No dummy, it was found to have "contained" sarin.

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"jim--" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message news:Ud6qc.14427
Depends upon if you're upwind or downwind after a sarin-filled munition
is
detonated, eh?

You need to at least learn to read, and comprehend what you have read.
"Sarin filled"????? It was found to have TRACES of Sarin!!!!!!

No dummy, it was found to have "contained" sarin.

From the Coalition Provisional Authority Briefing, Department of
Defense:

The round had been rigged as an IED, which was discovered by a U.S.
force convoy. A detonation occurred before the IED could be rendered
inoperable. This produced a very small dispersal of agent.

From NewsMax:
Two former weapons inspectors, Hans Blix and David Kay, said the shell
was likely a stray weapon that had been scavenged by militants and did
not signify that Iraq had large stockpiles of such weapons

From Jihad watch, AP:
"A detonation occurred before the IED could be rendered inoperable.
This produced a very small dispersal of agent," he said.

Now, where does any of this say that, 1)the bomb was "Sarin filled",
and 2)that this indicates that we've found stockpiles of WMDs, or that
such stockpiles exist?

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"basskisser" wrote in message
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"jim--" wrote in message
...
"basskisser" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message news:Ud6qc.14427
Depends upon if you're upwind or downwind after a sarin-filled
munition
is
detonated, eh?

You need to at least learn to read, and comprehend what you have read.
"Sarin filled"????? It was found to have TRACES of Sarin!!!!!!

No dummy, it was found to have "contained" sarin.

From the Coalition Provisional Authority Briefing, Department of
Defense:

The round had been rigged as an IED, which was discovered by a U.S.
force convoy. A detonation occurred before the IED could be rendered
inoperable. This produced a very small dispersal of agent.

From NewsMax:
Two former weapons inspectors, Hans Blix and David Kay, said the shell
was likely a stray weapon that had been scavenged by militants and did
not signify that Iraq had large stockpiles of such weapons

From Jihad watch, AP:
"A detonation occurred before the IED could be rendered inoperable.
This produced a very small dispersal of agent," he said.

Now, where does any of this say that, 1)the bomb was "Sarin filled",
and 2)that this indicates that we've found stockpiles of WMDs, or that
such stockpiles exist?

Try a bit more googling dummy. The bomb that exploded was reported as
containing 3 or 4 liters of sarin.

Saddam used these bombs on his own people. Are you saying they never
existed? LMAO!

You really are stupid.

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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"jim--" wrote in message
...
"basskisser" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message news:Ud6qc.14427
Depends upon if you're upwind or downwind after a sarin-filled
munition
is
detonated, eh?

You need to at least learn to read, and comprehend what you have read.
"Sarin filled"????? It was found to have TRACES of Sarin!!!!!!

3-4 liters of sarin is much more than a trace.


Wednesday, May 19, 2004

NEW YORK - Tests on an artillery shell that blew up in Iraq on Saturday
confirm that it did contain an estimated three or four liters of the deadly
nerve agent sarin,Defense Department officials told Fox News Tuesday.

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"jim--" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message
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"jim--" wrote in message
...
"basskisser" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message news:Ud6qc.14427
Depends upon if you're upwind or downwind after a sarin-filled
munition
is
detonated, eh?

You need to at least learn to read, and comprehend what you have read.
"Sarin filled"????? It was found to have TRACES of Sarin!!!!!!

No dummy, it was found to have "contained" sarin.

From the Coalition Provisional Authority Briefing, Department of
Defense:

The round had been rigged as an IED, which was discovered by a U.S.
force convoy. A detonation occurred before the IED could be rendered
inoperable. This produced a very small dispersal of agent.

From NewsMax:
Two former weapons inspectors, Hans Blix and David Kay, said the shell
was likely a stray weapon that had been scavenged by militants and did
not signify that Iraq had large stockpiles of such weapons

From Jihad watch, AP:
"A detonation occurred before the IED could be rendered inoperable.
This produced a very small dispersal of agent," he said.

Now, where does any of this say that, 1)the bomb was "Sarin filled",
and 2)that this indicates that we've found stockpiles of WMDs, or that
such stockpiles exist?

Try a bit more googling dummy. The bomb that exploded was reported as
containing 3 or 4 liters of sarin.

Saddam used these bombs on his own people. Are you saying they never
existed? LMAO!

You really are stupid.

I'm stupid? Hell, man, apparently you don't even know how to read. The
stories that you are quoting, are saying that the bomb found had the
POTENTIAL to contain 3 or 4 liters. How to hell stupid are you? THERE
WAS A "VERY SMALL DISPERSAL OF AGENT". Do you understand that?
Probably not.

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Depends upon if you're upwind or downwind after a sarin-filled
munition
is
detonated, eh?

You need to at least learn to read, and comprehend what you have read.
"Sarin filled"????? It was found to have TRACES of Sarin!!!!!!

3-4 liters of sarin is much more than a trace.


Wednesday, May 19, 2004

NEW YORK - Tests on an artillery shell that blew up in Iraq on Saturday
confirm that it did contain an estimated three or four liters of the deadly
nerve agent sarin,Defense Department officials told Fox News Tuesday.

Yeah, Fox News. How about this DIRECTLY from the Dept. of Defense website:
From the Coalition Provisional Authority Briefing, Department of
Defense:

The round had been rigged as an IED, which was discovered by a U.S.
force convoy. A detonation occurred before the IED could be rendered
inoperable. This produced a very small dispersal of agent.

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Depends upon if you're upwind or downwind after a sarin-filled
munition
is
detonated, eh?

You need to at least learn to read, and comprehend what you have
read.
"Sarin filled"????? It was found to have TRACES of Sarin!!!!!!

No dummy, it was found to have "contained" sarin.

From the Coalition Provisional Authority Briefing, Department of
Defense:

The round had been rigged as an IED, which was discovered by a U.S.
force convoy. A detonation occurred before the IED could be rendered
inoperable. This produced a very small dispersal of agent.

From NewsMax:
Two former weapons inspectors, Hans Blix and David Kay, said the shell
was likely a stray weapon that had been scavenged by militants and did
not signify that Iraq had large stockpiles of such weapons

From Jihad watch, AP:
"A detonation occurred before the IED could be rendered inoperable.
This produced a very small dispersal of agent," he said.

Now, where does any of this say that, 1)the bomb was "Sarin filled",
and 2)that this indicates that we've found stockpiles of WMDs, or that
such stockpiles exist?

Try a bit more googling dummy. The bomb that exploded was reported as
containing 3 or 4 liters of sarin.

Saddam used these bombs on his own people. Are you saying they never
existed? LMAO!

You really are stupid.

I'm stupid? Hell, man, apparently you don't even know how to read. The
stories that you are quoting, are saying that the bomb found had the
POTENTIAL to contain 3 or 4 liters. How to hell stupid are you? THERE
WAS A "VERY SMALL DISPERSAL OF AGENT". Do you understand that?
Probably not.

I did not quote any stories.

Yes, you are stupid. You prove it every day, as you just did.

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Depends upon if you're upwind or downwind after a sarin-filled
munition
is
detonated, eh?

You need to at least learn to read, and comprehend what you have
read.
"Sarin filled"????? It was found to have TRACES of Sarin!!!!!!

No dummy, it was found to have "contained" sarin.

From the Coalition Provisional Authority Briefing, Department of
Defense:

The round had been rigged as an IED, which was discovered by a U.S.
force convoy. A detonation occurred before the IED could be rendered
inoperable. This produced a very small dispersal of agent.

From NewsMax:
Two former weapons inspectors, Hans Blix and David Kay, said the shell
was likely a stray weapon that had been scavenged by militants and did
not signify that Iraq had large stockpiles of such weapons

From Jihad watch, AP:
"A detonation occurred before the IED could be rendered inoperable.
This produced a very small dispersal of agent," he said.

Now, where does any of this say that, 1)the bomb was "Sarin filled",
and 2)that this indicates that we've found stockpiles of WMDs, or that
such stockpiles exist?

Try a bit more googling dummy. The bomb that exploded was reported as
containing 3 or 4 liters of sarin.

Saddam used these bombs on his own people. Are you saying they never
existed? LMAO!

You really are stupid.

I'm stupid? Hell, man, apparently you don't even know how to read. The
stories that you are quoting, are saying that the bomb found had the
POTENTIAL to contain 3 or 4 liters.

Hey Mr. Intentionally Obtuse,
The report said the following:
Tests on an artillery shell that blew up in Iraq on Saturday confirm that it
did contain an estimated three or four liters of the deadly nerve agent
sarin...

Not "pontential" to contain...*DID* contain.

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Depends upon if you're upwind or downwind after a sarin-filled
munition
is
detonated, eh?

You need to at least learn to read, and comprehend what you have
read.
"Sarin filled"????? It was found to have TRACES of Sarin!!!!!!

No dummy, it was found to have "contained" sarin.

From the Coalition Provisional Authority Briefing, Department of
Defense:

The round had been rigged as an IED, which was discovered by a U.S.
force convoy. A detonation occurred before the IED could be rendered
inoperable. This produced a very small dispersal of agent.

From NewsMax:
Two former weapons inspectors, Hans Blix and David Kay, said the shell
was likely a stray weapon that had been scavenged by militants and did
not signify that Iraq had large stockpiles of such weapons

From Jihad watch, AP:
"A detonation occurred before the IED could be rendered inoperable.
This produced a very small dispersal of agent," he said.

Now, where does any of this say that, 1)the bomb was "Sarin filled",
and 2)that this indicates that we've found stockpiles of WMDs, or that
such stockpiles exist?

Try a bit more googling dummy. The bomb that exploded was reported as
containing 3 or 4 liters of sarin.

Saddam used these bombs on his own people. Are you saying they never
existed? LMAO!

You really are stupid.

I'm stupid? Hell, man, apparently you don't even know how to read. The
stories that you are quoting, are saying that the bomb found had the
POTENTIAL to contain 3 or 4 liters. How to hell stupid are you? THERE
WAS A "VERY SMALL DISPERSAL OF AGENT". Do you understand that?
Probably not.

So because part A and part B didn't mix probably, it wasn't sarin, eh?
You're really grasping at straws now.
Are you chemical Ali?

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Actually... If you read more than the area bolded in the story, you will
find this tid-bit of information

"A 155-mm shell can hold two to five liters of sarin; three to four liters
is likely the right number, intelligence officials said."

Granted the portion you quoted does say

"Tests on an artillery shell that blew up in Iraq on Saturday confirm that
it did contain an estimated three or four liters of the deadly nerve agent
sarin (search), Defense Department officials told Fox News Tuesday."

But the big word in your quote is "ESTIMATED"

It then goes on to say


""A little drop on your skin will kill you" in the binary form, said Ret.
Air Force Col. Randall Larsen, founder of Homeland Security Associates. "So
for those in immediate proximity, three liters is a lot," but he added that
from a military standpoint, a barrage of shells with that much sarin in them
would more likely be used as a weapon than one single shell."

And further to say

"Upon impact with the ground after the shell is fired, the barrier between
the chambers is broken, the chemicals mix and sarin is created and
dispersed."

So technically Basskisser is correct in his statement that the shell did not
contain Sarin, since the Sarin would not be completed without the mixing of
the 2 chemicals.

Semantics are a wonderful thing....

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I'm stupid? Hell, man, apparently you don't even know how to read. The
stories that you are quoting, are saying that the bomb found had the
POTENTIAL to contain 3 or 4 liters.

Hey Mr. Intentionally Obtuse,
The report said the following:
Tests on an artillery shell that blew up in Iraq on Saturday confirm that
it
did contain an estimated three or four liters of the deadly nerve agent
sarin...

Not "pontential" to contain...*DID* contain.

OT--Well, well, well...
 

Keep doing the mental gymnastics thing all the way to Pres. Bush's
reelection.

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hlink.net...
Actually... If you read more than the area bolded in the story, you will
find this tid-bit of information

"A 155-mm shell can hold two to five liters of sarin; three to four liters
is likely the right number, intelligence officials said."

Granted the portion you quoted does say

"Tests on an artillery shell that blew up in Iraq on Saturday confirm that
it did contain an estimated three or four liters of the deadly nerve agent
sarin (search), Defense Department officials told Fox News Tuesday."

But the big word in your quote is "ESTIMATED"

It then goes on to say


""A little drop on your skin will kill you" in the binary form, said Ret.
Air Force Col. Randall Larsen, founder of Homeland Security Associates.
"So
for those in immediate proximity, three liters is a lot," but he added
that
from a military standpoint, a barrage of shells with that much sarin in
them
would more likely be used as a weapon than one single shell."

And further to say

"Upon impact with the ground after the shell is fired, the barrier between
the chambers is broken, the chemicals mix and sarin is created and
dispersed."

So technically Basskisser is correct in his statement that the shell did
not
contain Sarin, since the Sarin would not be completed without the mixing
of
the 2 chemicals.

Semantics are a wonderful thing....

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...


I'm stupid? Hell, man, apparently you don't even know how to read. The
stories that you are quoting, are saying that the bomb found had the
POTENTIAL to contain 3 or 4 liters.

Hey Mr. Intentionally Obtuse,
The report said the following:
Tests on an artillery shell that blew up in Iraq on Saturday confirm
that
it
did contain an estimated three or four liters of the deadly nerve agent
sarin...

Not "pontential" to contain...*DID* contain.

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OT--Well, well, well...
 

Bert Robbins wrote:

Keep doing the mental gymnastics thing all the way to Pres. Bush's
reelection.

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Re-election? He was never elected.

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"Harry Krause" babbles:

Bert Robbins wrote:

Keep doing the mental gymnastics thing all the way to Pres. Bush's
reelection.

Re-election? He was never elected.

Ahh, but Harry. You've already confirmed in another post that winning the
electoral vote*is* a win, and it has been confirmed time and time again that
Bush did *indeed* win the electoral vote. Many recounts prove it.

Are you off your Zanax and bourbon again? Maybe you're *on* it again, hence
the lapse in memory and judgment.

Awe... poor baby.

Jack

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Jack Goff wrote:

"Harry Krause" babbles:


Bert Robbins wrote:


Keep doing the mental gymnastics thing all the way to Pres. Bush's
reelection.

Re-election? He was never elected.


Ahh, but Harry. You've already confirmed in another post that winning the
electoral vote*is* a win, and it has been confirmed time and time again that
Bush did *indeed* win the electoral vote. Many recounts prove it.

Only if you include the electoral votes in Florida he stole...





Are you off your Zanax and bourbon again? Maybe you're *on* it again, hence
the lapse in memory and judgment.
=


I probably drink less in a year than you do in a weekend, jackoff.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Are you off your Zanax and bourbon again? Maybe you're *on* it again,
hence
the lapse in memory and judgment.
=


I probably drink less in a year than you do in a weekend, jackoff.

I think he means he is not drinking bourbon, but is still on the overdose of
Zanax. He is such a trip to watch him going crazy over Bush. I can't wait
till Nov.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Are you off your Zanax and bourbon again? Maybe you're *on* it
again,
hence
the lapse in memory and judgment.
=


I probably drink less in a year than you do in a weekend, jackoff.

I think he means he is not drinking bourbon, but is still on the
overdose of
Zanax. He is such a trip to watch him going crazy over Bush. I can't
wait
till Nov.


Did you youe the poll out of Cal.......a dead heat at 46-45......even more
telling was that of those votes 80% were voting "for" Bush, whereas only 36%
were voting for kerry, the remainder were voting against the opponent. Talk
about soft support heehee California of all places.

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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
Keep doing the mental gymnastics thing all the way to Pres. Bush's
reelection.

.....even though such gymnastics are frowned upon in the handbook given to
Bush's supporters, along with the secret decoder ring.