HOLY S**T!!!!!!
 

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/f14model.html

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 19:27:04 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
http://www.big-boys.com/articles/f14model.html


Tom, there's a fella on DIY TV with a radio control model show. If you
can locate his web site, he has lotsa info on large, RC-controlled jets,
and has done a few shows on them. If you are not a skilled RC flier,
though, you might want to start with something a lot slower.

I've seen that show - pretty cool.

It was just the combination of swept wings and the maneuvers - for a
freakin' model, that's really impressive.

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 23:33:01 GMT, Ignoramus9053
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 19:27:04 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
http://www.big-boys.com/articles/f14model.html


Tom, there's a fella on DIY TV with a radio control model show. If you
can locate his web site, he has lotsa info on large, RC-controlled jets,
and has done a few shows on them. If you are not a skilled RC flier,
though, you might want to start with something a lot slower.


I wonder why terrorists have not used these RC planes yet.

Range probably.

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 19:27:04 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:


Tom, there's a fella on DIY TV with a radio control model show. If you can
locate his web site, he has lotsa info on large, RC-controlled jets, and
has done a few shows on them. If you are not a skilled RC flier, though,
you might want to start with something a lot slower.


I was talking to an RC flier a few years back. It seems it is not
uncommon to lose a model. When flying, they can get out of radio range.
The end result is to watch the model, and all the hours it took to build,
fly off into the sunset. Ouch!

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 23:09:59 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/f14model.html

Truly Awesome! Thanks.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"Ignoramus9053" wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 19:27:04 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
http://www.big-boys.com/articles/f14model.html


Tom, there's a fella on DIY TV with a radio control model show. If you
can locate his web site, he has lotsa info on large, RC-controlled jets,
and has done a few shows on them. If you are not a skilled RC flier,
though, you might want to start with something a lot slower.


I wonder why terrorists have not used these RC planes yet.


You have to be able to see it to fly it. That, coupled with the fact that
they really can't carry much of a payload, renders them pretty much useless
for terrorist.

The jets are pretty cool, though. Lots of money tied up in one... the
engines are $3000 and up, so that guy probably had almost $10k in that
model. They are capable of well over 200mph, which makes them a challenge
to fly. They get small pretty fast.

Unbelievable describes what the model helicopters are capable of. They can
do things that the full size guys can't dream of. Like hover... upside
down! Inches above the grass. And do full-speed-ahead tail over nose
tumbles. They are the most difficult to learn to fly... it's kind of like
trying to sit on top of a huge beach ball and keep your balance. Only far
more difficult.

Jack

On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 03:23:44 GMT, "Jack Goff" wrote:


"Ignoramus9053" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 19:27:04 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
http://www.big-boys.com/articles/f14model.html


Tom, there's a fella on DIY TV with a radio control model show. If you
can locate his web site, he has lotsa info on large, RC-controlled jets,
and has done a few shows on them. If you are not a skilled RC flier,
though, you might want to start with something a lot slower.


I wonder why terrorists have not used these RC planes yet.


You have to be able to see it to fly it. That, coupled with the fact that
they really can't carry much of a payload, renders them pretty much useless
for terrorist.

The jets are pretty cool, though. Lots of money tied up in one... the
engines are $3000 and up, so that guy probably had almost $10k in that
model. They are capable of well over 200mph, which makes them a challenge
to fly. They get small pretty fast.

Unbelievable describes what the model helicopters are capable of. They can
do things that the full size guys can't dream of. Like hover... upside
down! Inches above the grass. And do full-speed-ahead tail over nose
tumbles. They are the most difficult to learn to fly... it's kind of like
trying to sit on top of a huge beach ball and keep your balance. Only far
more difficult.

I'm very envious of folks who can fly those things - I don't have the
hand/eye coordination to do it properly.

I've seen some models do some really interesting things like those
helicopters. This model just amazed me - swing wings and everything.
I can't imagine the time and effort that would go into something like
that.

I suppose it's comparable to making custom rods and lures.

On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 03:32:56 GMT, Ignoramus9053
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Here's where a good computer program could do very well. A program
coupled with a small gyro position sensor for orientation, plus a GPS
for determining the location and direction of movement, could drive
the plane.

I don't know how true this is, but rumor had it that one of the
reasons for the delay in producing the Playstation 2 was a revamp of
the graphics chip and firmware - supposedly it was perfect for the
kind of thing you described.

On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 06:53:20 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

I think you should get four of those larger jet engines and install them
on the tee-top on your new boat...just fire them off as you head out the
harbors...and make a lasting impression. You could adapt some rocket
launchers as jet engine holders. And if your main entines failed, as
Karen of Oz insists they will...well...you get the picture!

Speaking of Karen's screeds on FICHT, last week I took the Contender
out for a run and when I got back to the marina, there was a fellow
who helped my put it back in it's slip. He looked the boat over and
after looking at the E-TECs he says to me - hey, those are just
revamped FICHTS right?

Cut to the end of the conversation, I asked him if he had ever owned a
FICHT - no. Know anybody who had owned one? No. So what do you base
your opinion on? Well, everybody knows.........

Idiots.

On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 07:22:33 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 06:53:20 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~


I think you should get four of those larger jet engines and install them
on the tee-top on your new boat...just fire them off as you head out the
harbors...and make a lasting impression. You could adapt some rocket
launchers as jet engine holders. And if your main entines failed, as
Karen of Oz insists they will...well...you get the picture!


Speaking of Karen's screeds on FICHT, last week I took the Contender
out for a run and when I got back to the marina, there was a fellow
who helped my put it back in it's slip. He looked the boat over and
after looking at the E-TECs he says to me - hey, those are just
revamped FICHTS right?

Cut to the end of the conversation, I asked him if he had ever owned a
FICHT - no. Know anybody who had owned one? No. So what do you base
your opinion on? Well, everybody knows.........

Idiots.

Indeed. In the four+ seasons I ran a Merc OptiMax, I kept waiting for it
to explode but, alas, nothing happened. I simply had the engine
maintained properly, used the proper oil, and ran the motor properly.
When it came time to sell the rig, I got the price I wanted, and took no
hit because it was OptiMax powered.

Well, I can say I've seen a couple - certainly not more than one or
two, with that Optimax problem, but those were bass boats and we all
know what kind of idiots bass fishermen are. :)

I see dozens of guys down here out fishing with Ficht or OptiMax powered
boats. The ones I see stuck at the ramps are the guys with I/O's, or
outboards from the early 1980s that are just plain worn out, hard to
start and smokey when they do start running.

Don't see many FICHTs up around here with the exception of mine and a
couple of bull rakers who have them. Lots of carbed Merc's
(Sal****er) and Yamahas in their various incarnations.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

It was just the combination of swept wings and the maneuvers - for a
freakin' model, that's really impressive.

Yes, it's VERY impressive. I wonder if he has telemtry and/or a better
than stad range control transmitter. It would suck to lose that model...
it has the fastest landing speed of any RC model I've seen.

Did the gear come up? I wasn't sure, on that outside loop it looked like
the gear was up but it was hard to see. I definitely didn't see the
wings sweep back.

It's a shame the Navy only has one squadron of these still flying.
They're really expensive, and getting old, but they are still the best
naval air combat platform... by far.

DSK

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:53:48 -0400, DSK wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

It was just the combination of swept wings and the maneuvers - for a
freakin' model, that's really impressive.

Yes, it's VERY impressive. I wonder if he has telemtry and/or a better
than stad range control transmitter. It would suck to lose that model...
it has the fastest landing speed of any RC model I've seen.

Did the gear come up? I wasn't sure, on that outside loop it looked like
the gear was up but it was hard to see. I definitely didn't see the
wings sweep back.

It's a shame the Navy only has one squadron of these still flying.
They're really expensive, and getting old, but they are still the best
naval air combat platform... by far.

F/A 18 E is the next best replacement and from what I hear, it's
everything the Tomcat was, even if it's a little smaller.

It's a shame the Navy only has one squadron of these still flying.
They're really expensive, and getting old, but they are still the best
naval air combat platform... by far.


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
F/A 18 E is the next best replacement and from what I hear, it's
everything the Tomcat was, even if it's a little smaller.

Who have you been listening to? Not anybody that's flown both planes, or
even watched both... in fact, you kinda get an idea which way the game
is slanted just from casting an eye over the specs.

The F/A-18 is smaller, cheaper, slower, less powerful, can't support an
equally capable sensor suite (although they do have some pretty cool
underwing pods), nor carry the same weapons, nor a similar ammo load.
They *are* better at ground attack, and for air support roles, but not
by a heck of a lot.

However, the Hornet is definitely cheaper & newer. Far less maintenance
intensive to keep in service, too.

Another issue (and by a strange quirk of synchronicity, I was in a
discussion about this very thing this morning) is whether we need the
Tomcat, since we are no longer worried about carrier battle groups being
swamped by hordes of Russian ground-based naval attack planes. But with
a military that gave up the A-10 Warthog, I am very dubious about the
wisdom of simply dropping from service the best, bar none, naval air
combat plane ever developed.

DSK

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:27:14 -0400, DSK wrote:

Who have you been listening to?

My son.

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

It was just the combination of swept wings and the maneuvers - for a
freakin' model, that's really impressive.

Yes, it's VERY impressive. I wonder if he has telemtry and/or a better
than stad range control transmitter. It would suck to lose that model...
it has the fastest landing speed of any RC model I've seen.

Did the gear come up? I wasn't sure, on that outside loop it looked like
the gear was up but it was hard to see. I definitely didn't see the wings
sweep back.

It's a shame the Navy only has one squadron of these still flying. They're
really expensive, and getting old, but they are still the best naval air
combat platform... by far.

I wasn't aware that the Navy only had one squadron still flying the F-14's.
I was under the impression that the F/A-18 E/F SuperHornet's were still
working their way into the line squadrons of the USN and USMC.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:27:14 -0400, DSK wrote:

Who have you been listening to?

My son.

I have a cousin flying the F-18 C's.

Bert Robbins wrote:
I wasn't aware that the Navy only had one squadron still flying the F-14's.
I was under the impression that the F/A-18 E/F SuperHornet's were still
working their way into the line squadrons of the USN and USMC.



http://www.boeing.com/history/mdc/fa-18.htm

The F/A 18 flew almost thirty years ago. They were deployed in the late
1980s and have been front-line service for over ten years.

Need to do a little catching up?

DSK

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 19:17:07 -0400, DSK wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:
I wasn't aware that the Navy only had one squadron still flying the F-14's.
I was under the impression that the F/A-18 E/F SuperHornet's were still
working their way into the line squadrons of the USN and USMC.



http://www.boeing.com/history/mdc/fa-18.htm

The F/A 18 flew almost thirty years ago. They were deployed in the late
1980s and have been front-line service for over ten years.

Need to do a little catching up?

No - I don't think so.

http://www.vectorsite.net/avhorn2.html#m2

DSK wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:

I wasn't aware that the Navy only had one squadron still flying the
F-14's. I was under the impression that the F/A-18 E/F SuperHornet's
were still working their way into the line squadrons of the USN and USMC.



http://www.boeing.com/history/mdc/fa-18.htm

The F/A 18 flew almost thirty years ago. They were deployed in the late
1980s and have been front-line service for over ten years.

Need to do a little catching up?

DSK

Poor Bert. Even the Canadian Military have been flying the F18's for
years. As a matter of fact, most need serious updating as their systems
are considered obsolete.

Need to do a little catching up?


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
No - I don't think so.

http://www.vectorsite.net/avhorn2.html#m2

Want to take a second look? You seem to be confused between the Hornet
and the Super Hornet.

Even the Super Hornet is still not really a match for the F-14 Tomcat,
which can fly rings around anything except the F-15, and can give that
one a run for it's money.

DSK

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 19:58:31 -0400, DSK wrote:

Need to do a little catching up?


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
No - I don't think so.

http://www.vectorsite.net/avhorn2.html#m2

Want to take a second look? You seem to be confused between the Hornet
and the Super Hornet.

No, I think your confused. I referenced the F/A 18 E - as in Super
Hornet.

"F/A 18 E is the next best replacement and from what I hear, it's
everything the Tomcat was, even if it's a little smaller."

The F/A 18 E is a Super Hornet.

Even the Super Hornet is still not really a match for the F-14 Tomcat,
which can fly rings around anything except the F-15, and can give that
one a run for it's money.

Well, I've heard differently.

I'll take his word for it.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
No, I think your confused.

Well, you're wrong.




Even the Super Hornet is still not really a match for the F-14 Tomcat,
which can fly rings around anything except the F-15, and can give that
one a run for it's money.


Well, I've heard differently.

I'll take his word for it.

OK.

Maybe you both should take a look at the results of some past years air
war demos. When it was F-14s vs F-15s, Navy pilots won every time
(altough the Air Force insists they cheat).

Here's a clue, does the Marine Corp even want the Super Hornet?

Doesn't matter, the F-14 is on it's way out. As a taxpayer, I'm glad to
see the F-18E Super Hornet replacing the Tomcat. I just hope the lower
$$ cost isn't offset by the high price of coming in second best.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
I wasn't aware that the Navy only had one squadron still flying the
F-14's. I was under the impression that the F/A-18 E/F SuperHornet's were
still working their way into the line squadrons of the USN and USMC.



http://www.boeing.com/history/mdc/fa-18.htm

The F/A 18 flew almost thirty years ago. They were deployed in the late
1980s and have been front-line service for over ten years.

Need to do a little catching up?

No, I don't

The F/A-18 went into service in the early '80's. My uncle was on the
acquisiton team for the USMC and he was CO of MAG-11 when they came into
service in the USMC. MAG-11 was the first group to get the F/A-18 in the
Corps.

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
No, I think your confused.

Well, you're wrong.




Even the Super Hornet is still not really a match for the F-14 Tomcat,
which can fly rings around anything except the F-15, and can give that
one a run for it's money.


Well, I've heard differently.

I'll take his word for it.

OK.

Maybe you both should take a look at the results of some past years air
war demos. When it was F-14s vs F-15s, Navy pilots won every time (altough
the Air Force insists they cheat).

There's no cheaters in a dogfight, there's only winners and losers.


Here's a clue, does the Marine Corp even want the Super Hornet?

They don't have a choice, they will be flying the F-35 and the F/A-18 E/F's.

Doesn't matter, the F-14 is on it's way out. As a taxpayer, I'm glad to
see the F-18E Super Hornet replacing the Tomcat. I just hope the lower $$
cost isn't offset by the high price of coming in second best.

The Marine Corps has never flown the F-14. The F-14 is the Navy's fleet
defense fighter. Notice I said it is the Navy's fleet defense fighter.

"Don White" wrote in message
...
DSK wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:

I wasn't aware that the Navy only had one squadron still flying the
F-14's. I was under the impression that the F/A-18 E/F SuperHornet's
were still working their way into the line squadrons of the USN and
USMC.



http://www.boeing.com/history/mdc/fa-18.htm

The F/A 18 flew almost thirty years ago. They were deployed in the late
1980s and have been front-line service for over ten years.

Need to do a little catching up?

DSK

Poor Bert. Even the Canadian Military have been flying the F18's for
years. As a matter of fact, most need serious updating as their systems
are considered obsolete.

Ok, Don, asshole, see my other post in this thread. I know a bit more about
the USMC's use and deployment of the F/A-18 than you or DSK do.

Bert Robbins wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

No, I think your confused.

Well, you're wrong.




Even the Super Hornet is still not really a match for the F-14 Tomcat,
which can fly rings around anything except the F-15, and can give that
one a run for it's money.


Well, I've heard differently.

I'll take his word for it.

OK.

Maybe you both should take a look at the results of some past years air
war demos. When it was F-14s vs F-15s, Navy pilots won every time (altough
the Air Force insists they cheat).


There's no cheaters in a dogfight, there's only winners and losers.


Here's a clue, does the Marine Corp even want the Super Hornet?


They don't have a choice, they will be flying the F-35 and the F/A-18 E/F's.


Doesn't matter, the F-14 is on it's way out. As a taxpayer, I'm glad to
see the F-18E Super Hornet replacing the Tomcat. I just hope the lower $$
cost isn't offset by the high price of coming in second best.


The Marine Corps has never flown the F-14. The F-14 is the Navy's fleet
defense fighter. Notice I said it is the Navy's fleet defense fighter.

Bert Robbins wrote:
Ok, Don, asshole, see my other post in this thread. I know a bit more about
the USMC's use and deployment of the F/A-18 than you or DSK do.


You don't know jack about anything, which is why you 1- use such
language 2- hold certain political beliefs

The F/A 18 was being deployed when I was still in the Navy, the F-4,
A-4, and A-7 were being phased out.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Bert Robbins wrote:
Ok, Don, asshole, see my other post in this thread. I know a bit more
about the USMC's use and deployment of the F/A-18 than you or DSK do.


You don't know jack about anything, which is why you 1- use such language
2- hold certain political beliefs

The F/A 18 was being deployed when I was still in the Navy, the F-4, A-4,
and A-7 were being phased out.

And, when were you "still in the Navy?"

Bert Robbins wrote:
And, when were you "still in the Navy?"



Obviously, when F/A 18 was being deployed, and the F-4, A-4, and A-7
were being phased out.

Don't know when that is? I'm not surprised that you don't know, only
that you're willing to admit it. Maybe there is some hope.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
And, when were you "still in the Navy?"


Obviously, when F/A 18 was being deployed, and the F-4, A-4, and A-7 were
being phased out.

Don't know when that is? I'm not surprised that you don't know, only that
you're willing to admit it. Maybe there is some hope.

The USMC started getting the F/A-18's in the early '80's for MAG-11 at El
Toro. Yeah, it took a few years to get them deployed to the entire fleet.
Now, F/A-18's are being phased out for the F/A-18 E/F's it will take 10
years or more at current production levels for the older A/B and C/D models
to be phased out.

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:45:34 -0400, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Bert Robbins wrote:
And, when were you "still in the Navy?"


Obviously, when F/A 18 was being deployed, and the F-4, A-4, and A-7 were
being phased out.

Don't know when that is? I'm not surprised that you don't know, only that
you're willing to admit it. Maybe there is some hope.

The USMC started getting the F/A-18's in the early '80's for MAG-11 at El
Toro. Yeah, it took a few years to get them deployed to the entire fleet.
Now, F/A-18's are being phased out for the F/A-18 E/F's it will take 10
years or more at current production levels for the older A/B and C/D models
to be phased out.

Drop it Bert - they know more than the people who build them, fly them
and work with them everyday.

It's not worth the rise in blood pressure.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:45:34 -0400, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Bert Robbins wrote:
And, when were you "still in the Navy?"


Obviously, when F/A 18 was being deployed, and the F-4, A-4, and A-7
were
being phased out.

Don't know when that is? I'm not surprised that you don't know, only
that
you're willing to admit it. Maybe there is some hope.

The USMC started getting the F/A-18's in the early '80's for MAG-11 at El
Toro. Yeah, it took a few years to get them deployed to the entire fleet.
Now, F/A-18's are being phased out for the F/A-18 E/F's it will take 10
years or more at current production levels for the older A/B and C/D
models
to be phased out.

Drop it Bert - they know more than the people who build them, fly them
and work with them everyday.

It's not worth the rise in blood pressure.

I think I'll keep this going for a while longer, stinking squid now-it-alls
**** me off.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Drop it Bert - they know more than the people who build them, fly them
and work with them everyday.

Oh yeah, you mean like Boeing? Or the Navy?

I don't know more than them, that's why I tend to believe them rather
than you.


It's not worth the rise in blood pressure.

Do you get riled up? I don't. But then again, I get the facts rather
than try to bluster & bluff through a discussion.

DSK

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:49:56 -0400, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:45:34 -0400, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
And, when were you "still in the Navy?"


Obviously, when F/A 18 was being deployed, and the F-4, A-4, and A-7
were
being phased out.

Don't know when that is? I'm not surprised that you don't know, only
that
you're willing to admit it. Maybe there is some hope.

The USMC started getting the F/A-18's in the early '80's for MAG-11 at El
Toro. Yeah, it took a few years to get them deployed to the entire fleet.
Now, F/A-18's are being phased out for the F/A-18 E/F's it will take 10
years or more at current production levels for the older A/B and C/D
models
to be phased out.

Drop it Bert - they know more than the people who build them, fly them
and work with them everyday.

It's not worth the rise in blood pressure.

I think I'll keep this going for a while longer, stinking squid now-it-alls
**** me off.

Well, they are a lower life form. :) (That was a joke - only a joke
- some of my best friends were Navy.)

Save it for another day and a different subject. It really isn't
worth it.

There will be other squid to fry. :)

Get it - other squid to fry?

Er...

Never mind.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:49:56 -0400, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:45:34 -0400, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message
t...
Bert Robbins wrote:
And, when were you "still in the Navy?"


Obviously, when F/A 18 was being deployed, and the F-4, A-4, and A-7
were
being phased out.

Don't know when that is? I'm not surprised that you don't know, only
that
you're willing to admit it. Maybe there is some hope.

The USMC started getting the F/A-18's in the early '80's for MAG-11 at
El
Toro. Yeah, it took a few years to get them deployed to the entire
fleet.
Now, F/A-18's are being phased out for the F/A-18 E/F's it will take 10
years or more at current production levels for the older A/B and C/D
models
to be phased out.

Drop it Bert - they know more than the people who build them, fly them
and work with them everyday.

It's not worth the rise in blood pressure.

I think I'll keep this going for a while longer, stinking squid
now-it-alls
**** me off.

Well, they are a lower life form. :) (That was a joke - only a joke
- some of my best friends were Navy.)

Save it for another day and a different subject. It really isn't
worth it.

There will be other squid to fry. :)

Get it - other squid to fry?

Er...

Never mind.

My grandfather had the good sense to join the USMC back in '26 but, he took
an appointment to Annapolis and then went Navy after graduation. The next
generation produced another Annapolis ring knocker before I had the good
sense to enlist in the Corps.

Bert Robbins wrote:


Ok, Don, asshole, see my other post in this thread. I know a bit more about
the USMC's use and deployment of the F/A-18 than you or DSK do.



Is it really necessary to call other posters names? JimH would expect
better of you. (I don't)

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

Drop it Bert - they know more than the people who build them, fly them
and work with them everyday.

It's not worth the rise in blood pressure.


But Bert needs his blood pressure raised to help him out of his
semi-comatose stupor. I feel we're doing a 'community service' ...the
question may be..does he deserve it!

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:


Ok, Don, asshole, see my other post in this thread. I know a bit more
about the USMC's use and deployment of the F/A-18 than you or DSK do.



Is it really necessary to call other posters names? JimH would expect
better of you. (I don't)

I didn't sign the pledge, asshole!

Bert Robbins wrote:


I didn't sign the pledge, asshole!



Who was that 'great American' who said "stupid is as stupid says"?
Any idea Bert?

"Don White" wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:


I didn't sign the pledge, asshole!

Who was that 'great American' who said "stupid is as stupid says"?
Any idea Bert?

And, who was "the great Canadian," never mind there isn't one.