Wayne.B wrote:
Just got a phone call from the boatyard doing the pressure testing on
the GB fuel tanks. Not good it turns out.

So what's your favorite way of replacing fuel tanks on a GB49?

Depends. Where are they, how difficult to access, what do you want to
replace them with, do you mind cutting big panels out of the hull?

I am thinking ahead to replacing our fuel tanks, and so far I have
considered two options: cutting them up in place, and replacing them
with fiberglass tanks molded in place (I could premold some of the
sections); or cutting the tops off the tanks and putting bladder tanks
inside the old tanks.

The classic way to remove & replace fuel tanks is to cut big panels out
of the hull, yank the tanks, put in new ones, and refiberglass the
panels into place. Just as strong and (given a reasonable level of skill
with fiberglass) nobody could ever tell it was cut. Yet somehow I don't
want to do this to our boat....

Fair Skies
Doug King

For Jax, who is a stickler on semantics as well as you the English lit
major, an anchor rode is a line until attached. For my 14' aluminum boat, I
used poly rope and 5' of 1/4" chain to a 5# danforth knockoff ancuor for
years. Went to an 8# when after fishing the Sacramento river, I plowed the
bottom.
Bill

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c3dhc2g=.ec25b726c031e6374dec58c4fa8be546@108 4884347.nulluser.com...
Calif Bill wrote:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Put 8-10' of 1/4" to 5/16" galvanized
chain between the anchor and 3/8" anchor line / rope.

in all my years in and around boats on Midwest lakes, I never saw, nor
ever
heard of, using chain on an anchor. Not once. You tie the rope to
the
mushroom and drop it overboard.

You ain't seen much. First you do not use rope on an anchor.

Of course you do and can. Under some conditions, all you want is a
little "river" anchor and 20' of light line. Depends on the conditions.
Or are you one of those who are hung up on "line, rope or rode?"



And if there
is wind, on a lake, you want the chain to help get the anchor to set.
Try
Okeechobee. I bet the wind can blow bit time there.


I've fished the Big O nearly a dozen times. Never anchored once while
fishing. Did anchor several times on the edges of the canals there, and
used an 8# "river" anchor with some light line. No chain. No need for
chain.

When fishing the ICW shallows in Florida, I didn't use chain, either. In
fact, I simply tied a line around a smooth, round weight. The water was
shallow and I didn't want to rip up any oyster beds.


Under certain circumstances, the "hard and fast" rules simply do not
apply.

It is not a rope on the boat, it is a line, and when it is attached to the
anchor, it becomes a rode.
Bill

No, not true Bill.

It's not a line if its a rope.

A rope can become a line when it is put to use.

From Lenfesty: (a widely acknowledged arbiter of nautical verbiage)

line (n) The word applied to rope in many of its functional applications aboard
ship...

(Lefesty continues with an observation that rope is not always called "line".)

......there are many exceptions, such as boltrope, footrope, and bell rope, or
halyard, sheet, and cable.

Regarding the overuse of the term "line", Lenfesty declares:

Some of the most specious and arbitrary writing has arisen over the use of the
word "rope" on seagoing vessels. Some writers flatly declare that when cordage
comes aboard a vessel if is line unless it is specifically named, as with
boltrope; but this bit of mystique was unheard of a hundred years or so ago.

***

Nobody would ever say, "When you attach an achor to a halyard..........." so
why is it corect, indeed claimed to be the only correct option, to say "when
you attach an anchor to a line." When you attach an achor to a bow line, stern
line, breast line, or spring line.....you look pretty silly in my book. :-)

The reason we don't have an anchor "line" is that we call that use of rope a
"rode".

I think this "line" fixation might have originated with you guys who use your
boats for rod and reel fishing. You call everything you can spool onto a reel a
fishing "line". It would be pretty ridiculous to refer to fishing rope, twine,
or cordage. :-)

So what's your favorite way of replacing fuel tanks on a GB49?

Up through the engine hatch.

You will need to pull at least one engine.
You may get away with temporarily moving the other engine onto the opposite
mounts,
(and then back again, obviously) when the new tanks are installed. Depends on
space.

How do you plan to use the boat? Many trawlers have a lot more fuel capacity
than they need. A boater running 75 hours a year has too much fuel on board
with 450-500 gallons, yet you run into these situations all the time. You could
possibly make your life easier if you could use slightly smaller tanks. Going
to smaller tanks could impact the eventual resale value, however, and its
defintiely not something you'd want to do if cruising the length of the ICW is
part of your plan for the boat.

The bladder option may be less desirable on large tanks. Bladders don't have
the internal baffling that helps control slosh in partially filled tanks. Way
more than OK on a 10 gallon sailboat aux application, but
unless there's some way to baffle bladders that I don't know anything about I'd
be careful on a 150-250 gallon tank.

You found the tanks at the *right* time.
You have a lot of leverage to get the seller to make the repair. After all, if
the seller lets you "walk" over the fuel tank issue, he'll simply be dealing
with it again in several months when (if) he finds another buyer, who will also
want the boat surveyed.

You are well aware, of course, that unless
the availability of cash is a key issue that makes it more convenient to roll
repairs into a boat loan, you're better off to get an estimate from a
legitimate yard, (add 20% for aggravation and the inevitable "discoveries" as
the job progresses), and get a financial concession from the seller.
The seller will be more likely to grant a price concession than to screw around
doing repairs on a boat he's mentally done with. If the seller does attempt to
do the repairs it will likely be a quick and very dirty job- not at all what
you want.

For Jaxassby, it is line, for the rest of us, we can use rope. As in "tie
the end of the anchor rope to the dead body, before tossing it overboard."
Bill

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
It is not a rope on the boat, it is a line, and when it is attached to
the
anchor, it becomes a rode.
Bill

No, not true Bill.

It's not a line if its a rope.

A rope can become a line when it is put to use.

From Lenfesty: (a widely acknowledged arbiter of nautical verbiage)

line (n) The word applied to rope in many of its functional applications
aboard
ship...

(Lefesty continues with an observation that rope is not always called
"line".)

.....there are many exceptions, such as boltrope, footrope, and bell rope,
or
halyard, sheet, and cable.

Regarding the overuse of the term "line", Lenfesty declares:

Some of the most specious and arbitrary writing has arisen over the use of
the
word "rope" on seagoing vessels. Some writers flatly declare that when
cordage
comes aboard a vessel if is line unless it is specifically named, as with
boltrope; but this bit of mystique was unheard of a hundred years or so
ago.

***

Nobody would ever say, "When you attach an achor to a halyard..........."
so
why is it corect, indeed claimed to be the only correct option, to say
"when
you attach an anchor to a line." When you attach an achor to a bow line,
stern
line, breast line, or spring line.....you look pretty silly in my book.
:-)

The reason we don't have an anchor "line" is that we call that use of rope
a
"rode".

I think this "line" fixation might have originated with you guys who use
your
boats for rod and reel fishing. You call everything you can spool onto a
reel a
fishing "line". It would be pretty ridiculous to refer to fishing rope,
twine,
or cordage. :-)

It is not a rope on the boat, it is a line, and when it is attached to the
anchor, it becomes a rode.
Bill

In France, they speak French. In Italy, they speak Italian. In California,
they speak cereal (i.e. nuts, fruits and flakes). On Midwest lakes, an anchor
is tied to a boat with a rope.

At least I get to water.

billy bud, I live on an island in the Atlantic Ocean.

Gene Kearns wrote:

On 18 May 2004 13:56:06 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...

Rope. In all of his millennia handling boats, he uses rope.

that is the term used by boaters in the context of the Sea-Ray owner's
question.

"line" is fishing line, "rope" is anchor rope.

Try anchor rode.

Eisboch


Acch!

You're all right, sort of.

"Rope" is a proper term for certain types of cordage aboard a boat.
Technically, it is supposed to apply to cordage that is 1" or more in diameter,
with lesser sizes considered "small stuff", or "twine". Nobody in 2004 uses the
term "small stuff" on a pleasure boat, and we all think of "twine" as something
you use to wrap a parcel or lash a Christmas tree to the roof of the family
station wagon. Rope works.
The guy who refers to unemployed cordage
as "rope" isn't lubberly- it's the white slacks, blue blazer, yacht clubber
gripping the champagne flute with an extended pinky finger and feigning disgust
whenever anybody uses the term "rope" that
displays ignorance on the topic.

When rope is put to work, it can become a "line." It can be a bow line, a stern
line, a spring line, a breast line, etc.
But rope can work without being a line of any type. It can be a halyard, a
lashing, a bell rope, or any number of things not properly considered a "line."

An achor rode is the rope, chain, cable, or combination thereof that connects
vessel to anchor.




So...... what is the diameter of a 3 inch rope?


How long is it?

So...... what is the diameter of a 3 inch rope?

Is this the trick question with the punch line "it doesn't matter what the
diameter is, you can't do much with three inches of rope?"

(I'm sure millions of frustrated women would agree)

Also Sprach JAXAshby :
At least I get to water.

billy bud, I live on an island in the Atlantic Ocean.

It's not an island. It's a peninsula. The Supreme Court said so,
officially making Whidbey Island, WA the longest island in the country.

Dan

--
I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret I have was
that I didn't study Latin harder in school so I could converse with those
people.
-- Dan Quayle