On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:24:27 +0000, Jack wrote:
Just what type of debt do you really think we're in? If you take the
entire monetary cost of the war, thus far....
.... If you take the entire war costs, it would take
approximately 6 days to pay for it.


thunder wrote:
Help me out here, I'm having a little trouble understanding your math.

That's because Jack's statements completely & totally seperated from
reality.


Jack wrote:
Just what do you want us to do to prove our strength?

Umm, how about fighting terrorists instead of creating more faster than
we can kill them?

How about Catching & punishing Osama Bin Laden and the remaining Sept
11th plotters, including the remaining officials of the Taliban gov't
that sheltered them?

How about *successfully* concluding the business of rebuilding
Afghanistan, and at least taking some more positive steps in Iraq?

... Shall we go in
and carpet bomb some area? Shall we use nukes?

Actually, if we have a credible deterrent and chose targets properly,
this would totally make sense. Given decent military & counter-terrorist
intelligence, the U.S. could say "The next terrorist act against
Americans will bring a devasting carpet bomb attack (or nuke) against
the home city of the terrorists." Of course, the problem here is that we
have to be able to pick the right target, or we're just terrorists, too.

President Bush's credibility is kind of an open question... nobody
doubts he's willing to use American military strength, it's his choice
of targets that is a bit off-kilter. And that's the whole key to success
here, otherwise it's like saying to unruly children 'Be good or I'll
spank the next door neighbor's kids.'


.... You love to slam the current
thought processes, but offer none of your own.

Wrong. Wrong twice, actually. I don't 'love' to slam anybody, but the
current administration has made a train wreck of pretty much every
single thing they've done... and the facts on the ground support that
conclusion. And I offer observations, facts, and possible solutions,
over & over.... but hey, if you don't insist that your opponent has
nothing to offer then you get kicked out of the Rush Limbaugh Hair Club
for Angry Stupid White Men. If you keep saying it over & over, people
start believing it.


thunder wrote:
250,000 more troops? Hmm, I don't think we can do it. Let's see, the
Army has 500,000 active duty troops, the Marines 176,000. We now have
@140,000 troops in Iraq. An additional 250,000 would bring the total to
390,000 out of 676,000 active duty troops. Nope, can't do it without
skimping on training or support.

Or a draft. One reason why we could afford to put 1/2 million men into
Viet Nam was that they were mostly draftees being pai almost nothing...
and feeding them was done by draftees, not expensive contractors.

One thing that is glaringly obvious to me is that the majority of young
people don't support Bush & Cheney, and very very few of them support
this war enough to volunteer for it. How many volunteered for Viet Nam?
A few, but nowhere near enough for an occupation force 500,000 strong.
Young people are voting with their feet, and Bush is losing this one.

Regards
Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message
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Jack wrote:
The only apology that I can think that the "conservative" intelligent
persons of the US have to make, is that we provided a public school
system
that could unleash people that cannot understand the real issues of the
war.

What, cheap oil

Dunno about you, but being into BOATS, and the rigs
that HAUL them, *plus* your regular commute vechile,
hell YA 'cheap oil' is a good, noble, and a *GOOD*
thing! - what idiot thinks that cheap oil is a BAD thing ??

and getting revenge for W's daddy?

Liberal *or* republican, any rogue leader making
and attempt on an American Presients life IS a
reason to go to war! How can you NOT see that ??



This war is not lost! The campaign is actually going quite well.

If you look at the anti-terrorist picture, it's possibly worse.

It will get a lot worse before it gets better, yeah, and thats
because the problem is a lot bigger, and deeper that you
think. No matter what you say/do, you can't change the
fact that Dubya's SERIOUS about this, not afraid, and
will see this to the end, and oh yeah, guess what? ...WIN!



You mean, Fox News and the Rush Limbaugh Hair Club For Angry White Men
isn't giving us the truth?

The problem (manifested w/ this assertion), is that you are
not of the caliber to "accept" the truth - you are only able
to accept the truth that YOU want to hear - thats what
seperates us.



Face facts, the mainstream media now is biased very heavily towards
promoting President Bush and his agenda.

Really? What channel are ya watching, casue I want to see it,
and I want to see what you are calling "mainstream" media.


How many times have you heard
about how terrible Howard Dean is,

Not enough. Dude, did ya see the whites
of his teeth in that "Scream" ? dude, it was
of "warewolf proportions". You want dat ?


and how many times have you heard
about Halliburton's ongoing theft & fraud investigation?

Many thats because 'Screnin Howy' is more scary...


... You might actually have to do a little research to
find the truth. But I can see from the original post, that research
would
be out of the question.

I can see from your post that facing actual facts in the real world is
out o the question, so go ahead with your 'research.' Maybe you can tell
us how the insurgency is on it's last legs.

Newsflash: We're takin on M.I. (Militant Islam),
and neither you, nor I can change that. Might as
well join in and be on the winning side for a change.



DSK

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:19:47 +0000, NOYB wrote:


"Ignoramus20427" wrote in message
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I would like to ask the conservatives on this board to publicly
apologize for supporting this war.

Go **** yourself.

BTW--I would like to ask the liberals on this board to publicly thank
the
President for having the insight to institute a plan that would draw
the
terrorists into a central location in the Middle East...so that our
properly armed soldiers can fight them there, instead of civilians
getting
blown up over here.

When our next President, most likely a Democrat thanks to GWB, is still
killing terrorists in Iraq, I wonder if you will still be so thankful.

Whoever the next President is, I just hope he doesn't pull out of Iraq,
further emboldening the terrorists.

They won't, trust me. Since 911, the American
people, and the American electorate have never
seized to amaze and surprize me. Be it UN1441,
all the other resolutions, and of course the election,
the American people *do* stand beside its leaders.
Yeah, yeah, I know, it doesn't "seem" that way,
but at the end of the day, they are. All that I mentioned
above proves that. I often reflect back on all of Bush's
State of the Union addresses and the like when
leading up to the war, and all of the rhetoric with
the Howard Deans, Kerry's and Jessie Jacko's,
and at the end of the day, Its refreshing to see that
the calmer, wiser minds prevail (while still allowing
the rhetoric jocky's to have their way afterwards)