OK, but commercial/pleasure doesn't matter. What does matter is
participation in a VTS, type of power, constrained by draft, etc. Although
commercial vessels are often constrained by draft and restricted to a
channel, etc, it isn't the fact that they are commercial vessels that make
them stand on, it's the fact that they are, for example, constrained by
draft to operation in the channel.


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Chuck,
He said it was a narrow channel and the other boat cut across the
channel,
on a collision course with him.
Clearly, the other boat was wrong.
Clearly, he did the right thing by avoiding a collision.

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I agree with those points. My comments had to do with the breadth of
the comment implying that commercial vessels had no special rights of
way- when under a number of common and important circumstances they do.
There is almost no way to know whether any or all of those
circumstances may have applied in this case, but all boaters should be
aware that when encountering a vessel constricted in its ability to
manuever (as by draft, etc) or a power driven vessel following a VTS,
there will be many cases where the vessel ordinarily considered "stand
on" must indeed "give way".

OK, but commercial/pleasure doesn't matter. What does matter is
participation in a VTS,

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Please don't overlook the fact that only commercial vessels are
*required* to participate in VTS.

William Andersen wrote:
What does matter for example, constrained by
draft to operation in the channel.

You might want to be careful with this term. As it has no menaing
inside the US Colregs demarcation line. Many participants here will
never venture to a place where Constrained by Draft would apply.

On 28 Jun 2005 04:55:45 -0700, wrote:



William Andersen wrote:
What does matter for example, constrained by
draft to operation in the channel.

You might want to be careful with this term. As it has no menaing
inside the US Colregs demarcation line. Many participants here will
never venture to a place where Constrained by Draft would apply.

That's not true. Narragansett Bay is a prime example of CbD vessels
along with parts of Long Island Sound around New Haven, New London and
Bridgeport. Also in the Rules there are numerous mentions of vessels
doing this or that in relation to available depth of water.

This is a pretty big newsgroup with lots of people in the strangest
places. :)

The difference is that on Inland Waters a vessel that would be
Constrained by Draft, under International Rules. Becomes a Vessel
Restricted in Ability to Manuver.

On 28 Jun 2005 07:07:36 -0700, wrote:

The difference is that on Inland Waters a vessel that would be
Constrained by Draft, under International Rules. Becomes a Vessel
Restricted in Ability to Manuver.

Ok, I'm game - what is the difference?

It's my understanding that Constrained by Draft is for deep draft
vessels operating in channels or deep fairways - they can still stop
and maneuver, etc, but only within the confines of their draft.

Restricted Ability to Maneuver covers a whole variety of things from
WIGs to long/short tows, tows in constrained areas, operational
problems - in short the restricted ability to deviate from a course
for reasons other than draft.

If that's not correct, I'd really appreciate an explanation.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:



That's not true. Narragansett Bay is a prime example of CbD vessels
along with parts of Long Island Sound around New Haven, New London and
Bridgeport. Also in the Rules there are numerous mentions of vessels
doing this or that in relation to available depth of water.


A number of issues here are regarding specific wording within the Rules.
"Constrained by Draft" is only used in International rules, since it can
easily apply to an area which is totally unmarked as to a specific channel.
Although the term itself can easily be used to discuss vessels in a
narrow confined inland channel, for the purposes of a "Rules" discussion
and particularly a "Rules" test, this can lead to problems within the
discussion.
The same applies to "Right of way" and to VTS/TSS.
One other point ..... what may be a large open bay/channel to a small
boat, can easily be a narrow confined channel to a ship.

otn

On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:54:07 GMT, otnmbrd
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:



That's not true. Narragansett Bay is a prime example of CbD vessels
along with parts of Long Island Sound around New Haven, New London and
Bridgeport. Also in the Rules there are numerous mentions of vessels
doing this or that in relation to available depth of water.


A number of issues here are regarding specific wording within the Rules.
"Constrained by Draft" is only used in International rules, since it can
easily apply to an area which is totally unmarked as to a specific channel.
Although the term itself can easily be used to discuss vessels in a
narrow confined inland channel, for the purposes of a "Rules" discussion
and particularly a "Rules" test, this can lead to problems within the
discussion.
The same applies to "Right of way" and to VTS/TSS.
One other point ..... what may be a large open bay/channel to a small
boat, can easily be a narrow confined channel to a ship.

That's my point and I can't find anywhere in the rules where CbD is
restricted to International rules.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:54:07 GMT, otnmbrd
wrote:

A number of issues here are regarding specific wording within the Rules.
"Constrained by Draft" is only used in International rules, since it can
easily apply to an area which is totally unmarked as to a specific channel.
Although the term itself can easily be used to discuss vessels in a
narrow confined inland channel, for the purposes of a "Rules" discussion
and particularly a "Rules" test, this can lead to problems within the
discussion.
The same applies to "Right of way" and to VTS/TSS.
One other point ..... what may be a large open bay/channel to a small
boat, can easily be a narrow confined channel to a ship.


That's my point and I can't find anywhere in the rules where CbD is
restricted to International rules.

The term "constrained by draft" is only used in International Rule 18
and is not used in the US Inland Rule 18.
Basically the term can be said to apply, in reality, to narrow channels
where a vessel can only navigate within the channel, but for the
purposes of the "Rules" and a discussion, it's normally noted that CBD
is an International Rule not found in US Inland Rules .... i.e. aside
from the fact that it doesn't apply between ships (Inland), there would
be no signal for it.

otn