On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 19:48:47 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

artfulbodger wrote:
Glenn Ashmore wrote:

It was the religious right that insisted it was flat and that the
Earth was the center of the universe.


Dude, there was no such thing as the "religious right" back then. One of
the easiest ways to get way off track in discussing history is to apply
labels from X place and time to the events in Y place and time. There
was a huge, complex thing going on in church, state and science during
the flat-earth controversy, almost none of which is even analogous to
what's going on today. The categories don't fit.

Sorry 'bout that.



In the 17th Century, the religious right imprisoned Galileo because his
writings contradicted, among other things, that the earth was the center
of the universe, a theory posited before Galileo by Copernicus.

There are many examples of "the religious right" standing in the way of
science. The crazy christian republicans and their simple-minded
sheeples are only the latest example.

Do the religious left fall into these categories also?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:19:17 GMT, Kubez
wrote:

Cliff wrote in
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:15:45 -0400, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:47:53 GMT, (Richard
Lewis) wrote:

There has never been a single study that demonstrated, let
alone proved, that a higher level of CO2 raises Earth temps.

This is called the "greenhouse effect".
Look it up.

What about the coming Ice Age that was put forth by the
environmentalists and loudly echoed by the media? The prediction then
was that we would be frozen by now. What happened?

What wingers told you that one?

Paul Ehrlich for one.

Wasn't he one who predicted that by 2010 we'd be standing hip deep in
people?

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:19:17 GMT, Kubez
wrote:

Cliff wrote in
m:

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:15:45 -0400, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
m...
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:47:53 GMT, (Richard
Lewis) wrote:

There has never been a single study that demonstrated, let
alone proved, that a higher level of CO2 raises Earth temps.

This is called the "greenhouse effect".
Look it up.

What about the coming Ice Age that was put forth by the
environmentalists and loudly echoed by the media? The prediction then
was that we would be frozen by now. What happened?

What wingers told you that one?

Paul Ehrlich for one.

Wasn't he one who predicted that by 2010 we'd be standing hip deep in
people?

Soylent Green prevented that problem.

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:39:49 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:19:17 GMT, Kubez
wrote:

Cliff wrote in
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:15:45 -0400, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
om...
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:47:53 GMT, (Richard
Lewis) wrote:

There has never been a single study that demonstrated, let
alone proved, that a higher level of CO2 raises Earth temps.

This is called the "greenhouse effect".
Look it up.

What about the coming Ice Age that was put forth by the
environmentalists and loudly echoed by the media? The prediction then
was that we would be frozen by now. What happened?

What wingers told you that one?

Paul Ehrlich for one.

Wasn't he one who predicted that by 2010 we'd be standing hip deep in
people?

Soylent Green prevented that problem.

BBAAWWWAAAHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!!!

Good one!!!

Later,

Tom

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:33:56 GMT, artfulbodger
wrote:

Cliff wrote:

How could they have divine rights if the Popes ruled them?

That's as silly as asking, "How can I have any rights if the
President has other rights?" Think.

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:44:07 GMT, artfulbodger
wrote:

Cliff wrote:

"The History of Western Philosophy" by Bertrand Russell is well
worth your reading time.

Not really, no. The facts are right there, but they didn't serve his
dogma so they went out the window. When I said "sane" I meant,
"unwilling to skew facts in order to prove his point."

Which, sorry, counts him out.

Note that I don't say he was unreliable on all counts, but where
religious history was concerned, yeah.

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:06:19 -0700, Stuart Grey
wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:
"Cliff" wrote in message
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:15:45 -0400, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
m...

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:47:53 GMT, (Richard
Lewis) wrote:


There has never been a single study that demonstrated, let
alone proved, that a higher level of CO2 raises Earth temps.

This is called the "greenhouse effect".
Look it up.

What about the coming Ice Age that was put forth by the environmentalists
and loudly echoed by the media? The prediction then was that we would be
frozen by now. What happened?

What wingers told you that one?
Confused about Nuclear Winter?


What? Wingers? We are closer to the actual use of a nuke now than we ever
were back in the '70's.

The nuclear winter theory is another left wing pseudo-science propaganda
tool. It was debunked five years before Carl Sagan repeated that blather
in his "Cosmos" touchy feely TV series. Consider that he didn't mind
repeating pure bull****...

Man made global warming and "all races (which don't exist) have equal
average intelligence" are two other leftist pseudo science propaganda
tools.

Given that the left has three fabrications they try to pass off as
science, and the Right only has "creationism", the BS seems to be three
times higher on the left than on the right.

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:16:42 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Bert Robbins
wrote:


What? Wingers? We are closer to the actual use of a nuke now than we ever
were back in the '70's.

Only a piddly nuke, not the citybusters targetted by the hundreds
against the other side that we once had.

So what if some freedom fighters use a 50 KT bomb against Paris or
Chicago?...the world will go on. Zero chance of the widespread forest
fires (essentially the ignition of the northern hemisphere's great
forests) needed for the Carl Sagan/Helen Caldicott "nuclear winter"
scenario.

You need to get educated about magnitudes, probability, etc.


--Tim May

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 22:33:09 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

Gunner wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:29:42 -0400, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:15:45 -0400, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
om...

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:47:53 GMT, (Richard
Lewis) wrote:


There has never been a single study that demonstrated, let
alone proved, that a higher level of CO2 raises Earth temps.

This is called the "greenhouse effect".
Look it up.

What about the coming Ice Age that was put forth by the environmentalists
and loudly echoed by the media? The prediction then was that we would be
frozen by now. What happened?

What wingers told you that one?
Confused about Nuclear Winter?

What? Wingers? We are closer to the actual use of a nuke now than we ever
were back in the '70's.


Cites?

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown


Bert spent two years in the marine corps stationed stateside because of
bad behavior.

Harry, when you've spent the better part of your life sitting on your butt
ripping off union workers, is it fair to belittle someone's military service -
regardless of where it took place?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

This Harry guys seems like a real asshole, is he always such a prick?


"John H" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 22:33:09 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

Gunner wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:29:42 -0400, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
m...

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:15:45 -0400, "Bert Robbins"
wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
news:nus7b1pp8h4nl90ql3hio0q3nmsnuhpgvv@4ax. com...

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:47:53 GMT, (Richard
Lewis) wrote:


There has never been a single study that demonstrated, let
alone proved, that a higher level of CO2 raises Earth temps.

This is called the "greenhouse effect".
Look it up.

What about the coming Ice Age that was put forth by the
environmentalists
and loudly echoed by the media? The prediction then was that we would
be
frozen by now. What happened?

What wingers told you that one?
Confused about Nuclear Winter?

What? Wingers? We are closer to the actual use of a nuke now than we
ever
were back in the '70's.


Cites?

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown


Bert spent two years in the marine corps stationed stateside because of
bad behavior.

Harry, when you've spent the better part of your life sitting on your butt
ripping off union workers, is it fair to belittle someone's military
service -
regardless of where it took place?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."