Hi Guru's,
I took off the foot to install the new waterpump. I had difficulty
getting it back on and noticed that the prop won't turn the drive shaft no
matter what position I have the shift shaft in. When I was removing the
prop, it moved backwards and clicked a time ot two when I was getting it
into position to wedge the block. Any idea's on what the problem might be?

Thanks, Mark

I think the drive must be in forward to remove & install the drive.

"Mark" wrote in message
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Hi Guru's,
I took off the foot to install the new waterpump. I had difficulty
getting it back on and noticed that the prop won't turn the drive shaft no
matter what position I have the shift shaft in. When I was removing the
prop, it moved backwards and clicked a time ot two when I was getting it
into position to wedge the block. Any idea's on what the problem might be?

Thanks, Mark

"Woodchuck" wrote in message
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I think the drive must be in forward to remove & install the drive.


Right you are, and you have to careful that the square shifter fork on the
right side remains upright while sliding the outdrive on, if it twists from
the upright position, it will not engage. You can check by raiseing the
drive and moving the shifter, there is a fork that you can reach from
underneath- you should feel it move. Should be straight forward when the
shifter is forward.



"Mark" wrote in message
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Hi Guru's,
I took off the foot to install the new waterpump. I had difficulty
getting it back on and noticed that the prop won't turn the drive shaft
no
matter what position I have the shift shaft in. When I was removing the
prop, it moved backwards and clicked a time ot two when I was getting it
into position to wedge the block. Any idea's on what the problem might
be?

Thanks, Mark

I had it in forward like you say, but the driveshaft is frozen and won't
turn to allow the splines to line up. Drive shaft wont turn in forward
nuetral or reverse. The propeler shaft does though.

Mark

"Gorf" wrote in message
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"Woodchuck" wrote in message
.. .
I think the drive must be in forward to remove & install the drive.


Right you are, and you have to careful that the square shifter fork on the
right side remains upright while sliding the outdrive on, if it twists
from
the upright position, it will not engage. You can check by raiseing the
drive and moving the shifter, there is a fork that you can reach from
underneath- you should feel it move. Should be straight forward when the
shifter is forward.



"Mark" wrote in message
...
Hi Guru's,
I took off the foot to install the new waterpump. I had difficulty
getting it back on and noticed that the prop won't turn the drive
shaft
no
matter what position I have the shift shaft in. When I was removing
the
prop, it moved backwards and clicked a time ot two when I was getting
it
into position to wedge the block. Any idea's on what the problem might
be?

Thanks, Mark

Well.. not frozen it wiggles a little but it is like it is engaged to both
forward and reverse at once


"Mark" wrote in message
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I had it in forward like you say, but the driveshaft is frozen and won't
turn to allow the splines to line up. Drive shaft wont turn in forward
nuetral or reverse. The propeler shaft does though.

Mark

"Gorf" wrote in message
m...

"Woodchuck" wrote in message
.. .
I think the drive must be in forward to remove & install the drive.


Right you are, and you have to careful that the square shifter fork on
the
right side remains upright while sliding the outdrive on, if it twists
from
the upright position, it will not engage. You can check by raiseing the
drive and moving the shifter, there is a fork that you can reach from
underneath- you should feel it move. Should be straight forward when
the
shifter is forward.



"Mark" wrote in message
...
Hi Guru's,
I took off the foot to install the new waterpump. I had
difficulty
getting it back on and noticed that the prop won't turn the drive
shaft
no
matter what position I have the shift shaft in. When I was removing
the
prop, it moved backwards and clicked a time ot two when I was
getting
it
into position to wedge the block. Any idea's on what the problem
might
be?

Thanks, Mark

I wonder if your problem is similar to a problem I had where the lower unit
was intermittently not shifting ( my post on overheating at low rpm's).
When the water pump in the outdrive was replaced, there was a spacer that
somehow disappeared when the split drive was re-assembled (not permitting
the shift shaft to fully engage).

Can you turn the upper outdrive driveshaft and make the prop turn (versus
turning the prop shaft to make the upper driveshaft turn)? The gearing does
make it difficult to turn the shaft by turning the prop. Also make sure the
shift lever ou the outdrive is pointing forward (so the unit is in forward
gear).

Mark (the rail & canopy hook guy)
www.ripnet.com/vtf/prod03.htm

"Mark" wrote in message
...
Hi Guru's,
I took off the foot to install the new waterpump. I had difficulty
getting it back on and noticed that the prop won't turn the drive shaft no
matter what position I have the shift shaft in. When I was removing the
prop, it moved backwards and clicked a time ot two when I was getting it
into position to wedge the block. Any idea's on what the problem might be?

Thanks, Mark

I can't turn the drive shaft more than a wiggle.
The shift is just a splined shaft which can be turned using a 12 pt box
wrench. According to the manual turning it fully clockwise is forward. It
seems logical that it is a spacer problem allowing the fwd and reverse gears
to both be touching the drive shaft at the same time. There are
signs of there being too much heat in there at one time because the water
pump alighnment tube was melted. I wonder if some of the spacers on the
propeller shaft may have been plastic and suiffered the same fate?
Meharty

"Mark" wrote in message
wsgroups.com...
I wonder if your problem is similar to a problem I had where the lower
unit
was intermittently not shifting ( my post on overheating at low rpm's).
When the water pump in the outdrive was replaced, there was a spacer that
somehow disappeared when the split drive was re-assembled (not permitting
the shift shaft to fully engage).

Can you turn the upper outdrive driveshaft and make the prop turn (versus
turning the prop shaft to make the upper driveshaft turn)? The gearing
does
make it difficult to turn the shaft by turning the prop. Also make sure
the
shift lever ou the outdrive is pointing forward (so the unit is in forward
gear).

Mark (the rail & canopy hook guy)
www.ripnet.com/vtf/prod03.htm

"Mark" wrote in message
...
Hi Guru's,
I took off the foot to install the new waterpump. I had difficulty
getting it back on and noticed that the prop won't turn the drive shaft
no
matter what position I have the shift shaft in. When I was removing the
prop, it moved backwards and clicked a time ot two when I was getting it
into position to wedge the block. Any idea's on what the problem might
be?

Thanks, Mark

Mark wrote:
I can't turn the drive shaft more than a wiggle.
The shift is just a splined shaft which can be turned using a 12 pt box
wrench. According to the manual turning it fully clockwise is forward. It
seems logical that it is a spacer problem allowing the fwd and reverse gears
to both be touching the drive shaft at the same time.

Not possible the way you are describing it.

The forward & reverse gears are in constant mesh with the pinion
already... and ride on the propshaft... the clutch "dog"("clutch" in
Merc Speak), which is splined to the propshaft, slides at the command of
the controls(cable(s), shaft, crank, & spool)forward for forward & aft
for reverse, on those splines, engaging either the forward gear or
reverse gear to the propshaft. See:

http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/sh...sort/1/cat/511

For a pretty good diagram. With a new impeller installed, you should
turn the input shaft clockwise ONLY, no "wiggling" back & forth. The
condition you describe could be the impeller binding from the impeller
vanes being bent in the wrong direction.

Rob

Thanks for the explaination. Makes sense now.
I took the unit to the shop and left it this morning. I wish I had it back
to remove the waterpump and see if the problem was that. I am at the mercy
of the repairman now. I pray he is honest.
Thanks to all who responded. It has been a positive experiance.
Mark

"trainfan1" wrote in message
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Mark wrote:
I can't turn the drive shaft more than a wiggle.
The shift is just a splined shaft which can be turned using a 12 pt box
wrench. According to the manual turning it fully clockwise is forward.
It
seems logical that it is a spacer problem allowing the fwd and reverse
gears
to both be touching the drive shaft at the same time.

Not possible the way you are describing it.

The forward & reverse gears are in constant mesh with the pinion
already... and ride on the propshaft... the clutch "dog"("clutch" in
Merc Speak), which is splined to the propshaft, slides at the command of
the controls(cable(s), shaft, crank, & spool)forward for forward & aft
for reverse, on those splines, engaging either the forward gear or
reverse gear to the propshaft. See:


http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/sh...sort/1/cat/511

For a pretty good diagram. With a new impeller installed, you should
turn the input shaft clockwise ONLY, no "wiggling" back & forth. The
condition you describe could be the impeller binding from the impeller
vanes being bent in the wrong direction.

Rob

Got the call from the repair shop..
My lower unit was in excellent condition for its age and the water pump
impeller was installed incorrectly.. two of the vanes were in opposing
directions causing a wedge type condition.

I used to be much better than this, lets just call it a senior moment.

Mark



"trainfan1" wrote in message
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Mark wrote:
I can't turn the drive shaft more than a wiggle.
The shift is just a splined shaft which can be turned using a 12 pt box
wrench. According to the manual turning it fully clockwise is forward.
It
seems logical that it is a spacer problem allowing the fwd and reverse
gears
to both be touching the drive shaft at the same time.

Not possible the way you are describing it.

The forward & reverse gears are in constant mesh with the pinion
already... and ride on the propshaft... the clutch "dog"("clutch" in
Merc Speak), which is splined to the propshaft, slides at the command of
the controls(cable(s), shaft, crank, & spool)forward for forward & aft
for reverse, on those splines, engaging either the forward gear or
reverse gear to the propshaft. See:


http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/sh...sort/1/cat/511

For a pretty good diagram. With a new impeller installed, you should
turn the input shaft clockwise ONLY, no "wiggling" back & forth. The
condition you describe could be the impeller binding from the impeller
vanes being bent in the wrong direction.

Rob