I like the boat Chuck I really do, I certainly have no issue with it's
origins, but I do find you now spruiking Chinese boats????

Spruiking?

I said it was interesting. It's a new boat, at least to this end of the
country. Many people might not be aware of it.

I also said the boat was imported, so what's the Aussie dung about "deceptive"?

Mentioning this boat is on topic. No apologies from me.

On 12 May 2004 15:42:59 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Mentioning this boat is on topic. No apologies from me.

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None needed in my opinion. Just do us a favor and report the speed in
knots (not mph) when you do the sea trial.

I can translate that for you. It's a secret but I'll do it anyway...

Dan


Wayne.B wrote:

On 12 May 2004 15:42:59 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:


Mentioning this boat is on topic. No apologies from me.


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None needed in my opinion. Just do us a favor and report the speed in
knots (not mph) when you do the sea trial.

On Thu, 13 May 2004 01:17:56 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:

I can translate that for you. It's a secret but I'll do it anyway...

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I can multiply and divide by 1.15 as well as anyone. My issue is
with misleading boat performance hype.

I thought you knew the difference but how can it be misleading? KPH are always
less than MPH so how could anyone advertise kmh to inflate the truth? If I'm
selling a boat, I would say "WOT 34 MPH". "30 knots per hour" would/could make
someone think the boat is slower if they didn't know.

Dan

Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 13 May 2004 01:17:56 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:


I can translate that for you. It's a secret but I'll do it anyway...


===========================================

I can multiply and divide by 1.15 as well as anyone. My issue is
with misleading boat performance hype.

If I'm
selling a boat, I would say "WOT 34 MPH". "30 knots per hour" would/could
make
someone think the boat is slower if they didn't know.

Faster boats are frequently logged in MPH. A fair number of mfgrs sell boats
with speedometers that read in MPH.
That's only "deceptive" if the boat doesn't actually travel that fast.
Raymarine and other major electronics mfgrs build some pretty sophisticated and
expensive DGPS equipment that is strictly for marine use, and they build in an
option for the owner to
show speeds in either MPH or knots. Somebody needs to get 'hold of Raymarine
and insist they knock off selling that "deceptive" DGPS equipment that can be
set to show speeds in MPH.

On the other hand, trawlers are almost always described as turning speeds
measured in knots.

Deception would be recording a speed in MPH and then representing that it was
knots. A speed measured in MPH and clearly labeled as such may not suit the
personal preferences of some, but is hardly "deceptive" unless the reader or
listener doesn't understand the difference between one standard and the other.

I'm going to an Armadillo barbecue hosted by Billy Schumacher this Saturday.
(There will be a couple of classic hydros, including Miss Bud, on hand).
Billy's traveled one heck of a lot faster on (or slightly over) the water than
99.9999% of us ever will. I'll ask him whether unlimited hydros measure speed
in knots or MPH.
I know that both terms are fairly interchangeable when discussing aircraft, it
will be fun to see what the protocol is for hydros.

Gould 0738 wrote:
I like the boat Chuck I really do, I certainly have no issue with it's
origins, but I do find you now spruiking Chinese boats????


Spruiking?

Yep spruiking all your so called reviews are not much better than paid
advertising & given your priors about anything from the ROC I'll enjoy
the NG review of your article very much.

As for the boat?? as I said very nice however like all steel boats
bought 'finished" you never know what lurks inside & even below the
paint. Certainly there will be the endless claims about the hull prep
etc which you will of course take hook line & sinker them propagate as
fact in your article but ....... very risky buying a steel boat new or
secondhand unless you factor into the pricing a complete reblast &
paint, sad but true no matter where it's built.

They're great for the owner builder because they "can" know exactly
what's under the facade.

Also as mentioned displacement speed boats travel @ knots not mph, I
know when you are marketing as you always are it's a lower number but
hey don't blame me, it's controlled by the diam of the earth & even you
can't blame me for that!!!

K

Here's a harry lie still on the good ol' Dad theme for ya Chucky;

"My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in winter in
a 22'boat powered by twin outboards. Yes, it is possible, even the fuel.
Got a "fireboat" welcome in NYC."

I suppose a man of your intellect is wondering just where a simpleton
like Harry got this lie from??? here (ever helpful I am:-)) is one of
the articles he cherry picked the basics from.


James R. Wynne, 1929-1990 - A Closer Look
One of those fortunate people whose work and passion seem perfectly
matched, Jim Wynne began racing powerboats as a hobby during his school
years. He made the union between hobby and career official when he
obtained a degree in Mechanical Engineering from the University of
Florida, a Master’s from MIT and took his first job as chief test
engineer for Kiekhaefer Corp. Jim supervised testing of Mercury outboard
motors in Wisconsin and Florida until 1958, when he crewed on the first
transatlantic crossing by an outboard-powered boat, traveling from
Copenhagen to New York in a 22-foot boat.


Damn those firetugs must have been busy greeting them back then!!!
those endless 22 ftrs from Copenhagen must have looked like an
invasion:-) OOps now I get it Jim was "Harry's" Dad's engineer!!! of
course that explains the similarities, that or a whale falling out of
space:-)

More confirmation of Harry's denigration of his late Dad's life. His
father lies are his worst lies as far as I'm concerned, the others & his
stalking behaviour just confirm Harry himself as a failure; but to drag
his late Dad in.... well that's really low.

K






I said it was interesting. It's a new boat, at least to this end of the
country. Many people might not be aware of it.

I also said the boat was imported, so what's the Aussie dung about "deceptive"?

Mentioning this boat is on topic. No apologies from me.

K. Smith wrote:

Gould 0738 wrote:

I like the boat Chuck I really do, I certainly have no issue with
it's origins, but I do find you now spruiking Chinese boats????



Spruiking?


Yep spruiking all your so called reviews are not much better than
paid advertising & given your priors about anything from the ROC I'll
enjoy the NG review of your article very much.


Why don't you take your "spruik", get a jar of K-Y, and shove it right
you your as far as it will go.




As for the boat?? as I said very nice however like all steel boats
bought 'finished" you never know what lurks inside

That's probably what your last date said...and penicillin has lost much
of its effectiveness.

Yep spruiking all your so called reviews are not much better than paid
advertising & given your priors about anything from the ROC I'll enjoy
the NG review of your article very much.


By the way, I *own* a Chinese boat.

Why the unprovoked insultathon, Karen?
Put your evil twin back in the bottle.

Valiant attempt to switch the topic from boats to your particular area of
expertise, however. :-)