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There is a difference between Patriotism and Hatriotism.

Oooo! Clever buzzword!


You all
accuse Dems/Libs and basically everyone that disagrees with you of
being "Anti-American. Hating our troops blah blah".

Quotes please. Of my posts. (Psssst -- You won't find any.)


Im sick of this
sort of Hannity Hatriotism.

There's that buzzword again. Good reinforcement.

You NeoCons seem to be.....

Who?

Your all Hatriots! You hide behind the flag.....

Now its starting to get boring.

.... Many of you are Chickenhawks

Don't park too far out on that limb, bucko. I have served, proudly. Have
you? I have been shot at in anger. Have you?

and most likely the classroom tattletale growing up.

A little psychology for the masses?


....this Administration dropped the ball on 911? Could not connect the
dots.

Nobody could.

.....war efforts are still not fully justified? No WoMD?

They were there. Now they're not. What does that tell you?

No definite links to Al-Qaeda!

What do you need, a notarized contract in triplicate? Only a fool thinks
there is no connection between Iraq and al Qaida.


....... Now the whole damn Arab world hates us.

That represents no substantial change from the status quo ante.


I would
rather have a cautious waffler .......

And that makes you a mainstream Democrat. This is the history of most of
the the past forty years in Congress. Identify the issues. Discuss the
issues. Debate the issues. Legislate the issues. Investigate the issues.
Subsidize the issues. Hold hearings on the issues. Publish reports on the
issues. Appoint "Blue Ribbon Commissions" on the issues. Perform every
maneuver in the book, but for God's sake don't SOLVE the issue!! Because
then you wouldn't OWN the issue any more, and you'd have to find some other
constituency to milk.

Pathetic.

On Fri, 7 May 2004 18:48:36 -0400, "John Gaquin"
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And that makes you a mainstream Democrat. This is the history of most of
the the past forty years in Congress. Identify the issues. Discuss the
issues. Debate the issues. Legislate the issues. Investigate the issues.
Subsidize the issues. Hold hearings on the issues. Publish reports on the
issues. Appoint "Blue Ribbon Commissions" on the issues. Perform every
maneuver in the book, but for God's sake don't SOLVE the issue!! Because
then you wouldn't OWN the issue any more, and you'd have to find some other
constituency to milk.

Pathetic.


It's all Clintons fault is the mindset from the WH and Bushies these
days. Seems we have a hard time getting this WH to own any issues
also. Strange how that works.

Pitiful!

John Gaquin wrote:


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...

This 4 years of Bush Whitehouse has frankly been, PURE TORTURE! ;-)

Of course it has, you poor thing! :-( It must be horrible for you. For a
group that builds programs on feeling rather than thinking, losing a close
contest must be so painful! And now, having been attacked

, By Al-Queada, get it, Al-Queada, a group led by a crimminal named Osama,
not Saddam.

and being at war,

War????, this is an act of aggression on a couple of third world, under
developed countries, using the excuse that they "still" had weapons of mass
distruction, we sold them, that never attacked us. This "WMD story"
continues to be an unproved theory. This isn't War. This is being "The
Bully". Our brave men and women are dying to prove we can be a Bully.
There's something wrong with this picture. If they want democracy, show them
that it can work here first.

and knowing that, had your policies been followed, we would only be
mired in protracted, futile, humiliating and dystrophic "talks" through
the UN with the very parties who attacked us

Al-Queada???, Al-Queada???, You know, I don't recall them having a seat in
the UN.

- well, I can certainly understand your
dyspeptic response!

The lies are enough to make "me" sick.

If only we Republicans were a more caring, sensitive,
and empathetic lot, we might be able to (as someone once said) "feel your
pain." ;-)

You must believe if you repeat something enough times, it will become the
truth, but it won't.
This is all the time I will alot to these lies.

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"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take,
but by the moments that take our breath away".
--George Carlin--

"____m___~¿Ô___m____" wrote in message

ref my earlier post re your credibility.

John Gaquin wrote:


"____m___~¿Ô___m____" wrote in message

ref my earlier post re your credibility.
You mean your denial. I only answered your post that had no credibility.
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but by the moments that take our breath away".
--George Carlin--

John Gaquin wrote:
"____m___~¿Ô___m____" wrote in message

ref my earlier post re your credibility.


According to Rumsfeld, we haven't seen the worst acts of torture and
degradation inflicted by US soldiers on Iraqi prisoners.

Stick that up your denials, Gaquin.

The eight years previous to Bush were pure hell!

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...
This 4 years of Bush Whitehouse has frankly been, PURE TORTURE! ;-)


On Fri, 7 May 2004 09:37:15 -0400, "John Gaquin"
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message

....his words seemed to have done little to stem a chorus of complaints
across
the globe

A chorus being led, ironically, by the NYT and the Dems in US
Congress.....


*"In the world the United States has a moral and political leadership,"
said Alioune Tine,


There you have it.

This whole brouhaha is preposterous. The event itself is totally
unacceptable, and the people involved should be imprisoned, for rank
stupidity if nothing else. Pictures? On the net? Please!

The international press furor is naught but a political red herring. The
fact of a few dozen Americans behaving this way has supposedly shocked
the
world. Why? Because our two centuries of history have documented and
confirmed the fact that this is not the way the US of A does business.
The
world *expects* the US to hold the high road, and act with fairness and
dignity. They expect it because we have repeatedly shown that that is
what
we do.

On the other hand, I have heard no sustained fury or condemnation from
the
world press, or (for that matter) from the leadership of the Islamic
and/or
Arabic communities anywhere in the world, regarding the treatment of
prisoners in similar venues throughout the Islamic world, or regarding
the
murder of innocents in the name of jihad. Why? Because almost two
*millenia* of history has shown that this is the way that *they* do
business. The world, and their own communities, *expect* Arabic and
Islamic
cultures to treat prisoners in a brutal and subhuman manner. They expect
it
because these cultures have repeatedly shown that this is what they do.
This sort of thing is expected from Arabic or Islamic cultures, so when
it
occurs there no one is substantially surprised.

To claim that the Islamic world is infuriated by these events is to be
naive
in the extreme. ( Did you note the Iraqi protesters on the news? See
those
nice placards they were holding? Well printed, in good, legible English?
Think they whipped them up at home?) They expect political or military
prisoners to be treated this way. Nota bene that in these cultures [as
throughout most of the rest of the world] the notion of a "political
prisoner" is not considered unusual. That in itself speaks volumes. The
Islamic world is not infuriated by these events -- they rejoice in the
political opportunity the event presents them, and generally do not care
a
whit for the prisoners involved.

On Fri, 7 May 2004 16:14:31 -0400, "Bert Robbins"
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The eight years previous to Bush were pure hell!

Yeah, peace and prosperity is pure hell.

bb

From: bb

The eight years previous to Bush were pure hell!

Yeah, peace and prosperity is pure hell.

bb

Clinton...
went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked
us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan
and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

Peace, definitely peace. Don't forget the 93 World Trade Center bombing under
Clintons watch. Peace you say. Perhaps relatively speaking you are correct.