labomba asks:

-What the heck does that have to do with my statement?-

Bilge- I'm essentially agreeing with you:

-In a "good blow", the small amount of chain used in most chain and rode
setups is not going to keep the rode at a shallower angle-labomba

-We're talking chain AND line here. Not ALL chain.-labomba

and

-So, the 846 foot, 32,600gt Sealand Express was using line and chain at the
time?- labomba

Bilge- You know dang well that she wasn't, chum. The point is that even with 4
or 5 shots of chain along the bottom, AND a "set" danforth anchor, you still
need to keep an eye on your angle.


Yeesh...pardon me for supporting you.

Have a day;




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Subject: Why need anchor chain?
From: (Bilgeman)

labomba asks:

-What the heck does that have to do with my statement?-

Bilge- I'm essentially agreeing with you:

-In a "good blow", the small amount of chain used in most chain and rode
setups is not going to keep the rode at a shallower angle-labomba

-We're talking chain AND line here. Not ALL chain.-labomba

and

-So, the 846 foot, 32,600gt Sealand Express was using line and chain at the
time?- labomba

Bilge- You know dang well that she wasn't, chum. The point is that even with
4
or 5 shots of chain along the bottom, AND a "set" danforth anchor, you still
need to keep an eye on your angle.


Yeesh...pardon me for supporting you.

Have a day;

Sorry if I misunderstood.
I think it started when you started your reply with Bilge -.
I though you were using it as a replacement for calling BS.
And then when you went on talking about a large ship and swinging areas I lost
the tie in.

Capt. Bill

labomba 'splains:

-Sorry if I misunderstood. I think it started when you started your reply
with Bilge -.I though you were using it as a replacement for calling BS. And
then when you went on talking about a large ship and swinging areas I lost the
tie in.-

Bilge---my shorthand nickname, (although many,many,many people will agree that
it also means BS!). No problemo, Captain.

Diego Garcia and Saipan are prime places to observe the imporatnce of staying
in the little circle on the charts. Once the tide was running into Diego
lagoon, and the American Cormorant was swinging, and we on the Gibson
weren't...interesting watching "Big Red" come at you at such a stately pace.

The unwritten backstory behind the Express' grounding is that they don't like
to anchor close in, because the charterer, Maersk Line, supposedly doesn't like
paying for launch service, and Capetown is one of the few ports in the
container trade where you actually ride the hook while awaiting a
berth...potential off time.

I was on SeaLand Voyager last year, did 112 days and had 4 hours off the ship
in Durban. And the corporate dummies wonder why no-one wants any past of their
crappy industry!

Personally, I think someone makes extra compensation for "cutting budget",
that Maersk would pay launch service fees...but that's another story.

In light of this, they try to anchor as far out as possible, and this being
South Africa right off the Southern Ocean, they anchored maybe a little further
out than was...prudent.

Word around the hall is they were dragging anchor and heading for the island
prison where Mandella was kept for all those years under Apartheid.

Much opportunity for "pucker factor".

Regards;


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Diego Garcia and Saipan are prime places to observe the imporatnce of staying
in the little circle on the charts.

of course. far and away the most important anchorages for cruisers in the
entire world.

btw, what does the US Navy say about anchoring around Diego Garcia?

jaxahby asks:

-of course. far and away the most important anchorages for cruisers in the
entire world.

btw, what does the US Navy say about anchoring around Diego Garcia?-


Bilge- Not that the US Navy has any say in the matter, (nudge-nudge,
wink-wink), since it's British Territory, and you know how the Limeys can
be...very clubby.

"By invitation ONLY, old chap".

In fact, they have had quite a fleet of seized fishing boats that they
occassionally tow out and "request" that the US forces "assist" them in
machine-gunning to the bottom...always an occasion for an island-wide
picnic...a big draw. Hey, everyone gets bored.

What in the heck would you want to go to "Dodge" for, anyway? Are you queer
for sea turtles and coconut crabs?

See Diego the civilized way...I pulled some strings for you...I have
"friends"...check the link:

http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/links.html#this

Trust me, this is much better, less AA meetings to attend.

Cheers;




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Diego Garcia, according to widespread reports, is leased to the US Navy. You
heard different? I understand the indigents removed to Mosambique (?) are
still ****ed even after several decades. Perhaps you can enlighten us?

nah, you are a dum squat.

From: (Bilgeman)
Date: 9/17/2004 1:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

jaxahby asks:

-of course. far and away the most important anchorages for cruisers in the
entire world.

btw, what does the US Navy say about anchoring around Diego Garcia?-


Bilge- Not that the US Navy has any say in the matter, (nudge-nudge,
wink-wink), since it's British Territory, and you know how the Limeys can
be...very clubby.

"By invitation ONLY, old chap".

In fact, they have had quite a fleet of seized fishing boats that they
occassionally tow out and "request" that the US forces "assist" them in
machine-gunning to the bottom...always an occasion for an island-wide
picnic...a big draw. Hey, everyone gets bored.

What in the heck would you want to go to "Dodge" for, anyway? Are you queer
for sea turtles and coconut crabs?

See Diego the civilized way...I pulled some strings for you...I have
"friends"...check the link:

http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/links.html#this

Trust me, this is much better, less AA meetings to attend.

Cheers;




Mutiny is a Management Tool
Select Your Tattoo while Sober

gene, you are one gullible sob. ever understand a single thing you read?

nah.

go read The Daily Worker for insights in social economics, but for sure stay
out of any discussions of anchors.



From: "Gene Kearns" **** dumb squat****
Date: 9/17/2004 8:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 15 Sep 2004 12:23:55 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

1) It decreases the pulling angle on the anchor relative to the bottom,
thus
improving the the ability of the anchor to *bite* the bottom better.

not really, except under lite wind conditions. Then it is true.

I guess current and tide are different, somehow. I suppose the anchor
and rode, somehow, just *know* the difference. "Lite" is ambiguous
and not very useful.

Moving from an all line rode to a chain rode (as shown in the
accompanying URL) can increase the usable rode tension by a factor of
8.

http://www.johnsboatstuff.com/Articles/anchor.htm
--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

genie, knock it off. you are a mechanic on twenty year aircraft engines of
seventy year old engine designs. what you know about catenaries wouldn't fill
a plastic coffee stirrer spoon from Mickey D's.

***dum squat*** "Gene Kearns"
Date: 9/17/2004 9:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 15 Sep 2004 12:26:41 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

2) It serves as a shock absorber, helping to absorb the boat's movement due
to the wave action.

you obviously do not understand the mathematics of catenaries. NOBODY
chains a
boat to a dock, or a rock on shore.


Nobody needs the properties of a catenary at a dock, either. Nobody
makes a big deal about creating a catenary, when tying to a dock.
Nobody in their right mind would even mention such a stupid and
unrelated concept, if they were trying to make a logical argument.

It doesn't take much of a wind to pull chain tight enough to be considered
zero
point zero zero zero zero zero three seven three of a shocker absorber.

Stoopid, stoopid, stoopid.

The intrinsic shape of a catenary is the shock absorber. Once the
shape of the catenary has been pulled tight enough for the resultant
to become a line, all holding power is pretty much lost, as the
vertical component on the anchor increases. At that point, by
definition, we aren't talking about catenaries, anyway.

So, which is easier to pull tight, a line catenary or a chain
catenary?

Here is a URL that will conclusively... and mathematically, prove that
Jax doesn't have a clue what he is talking about..... and, moreover,
that he is just plain wrong (again). This website includes a snappy
macro driven spread sheet that will work out nearly any what-if you
could ever imagine concerning line, chain, scope, tension, etc., etc.,
etc. It really *is* neat....

http://alain.fraysse.free.fr/sail/ro...ic/sta_hom.htm
--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

whoring, you done be had. hope you enjoyed it, even if you do walk a little
for a few days.



From: JohnH
Date: 9/17/2004 1:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:49:10 -0400, "Gene Kearns"
wrote:

On 15 Sep 2004 12:26:41 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

2) It serves as a shock absorber, helping to absorb the boat's movement
due
to the wave action.

you obviously do not understand the mathematics of catenaries. NOBODY
chains a
boat to a dock, or a rock on shore.


Nobody needs the properties of a catenary at a dock, either. Nobody
makes a big deal about creating a catenary, when tying to a dock.
Nobody in their right mind would even mention such a stupid and
unrelated concept, if they were trying to make a logical argument.

It doesn't take much of a wind to pull chain tight enough to be considered
zero
point zero zero zero zero zero three seven three of a shocker absorber.

Stoopid, stoopid, stoopid.

The intrinsic shape of a catenary is the shock absorber. Once the
shape of the catenary has been pulled tight enough for the resultant
to become a line, all holding power is pretty much lost, as the
vertical component on the anchor increases. At that point, by
definition, we aren't talking about catenaries, anyway.

So, which is easier to pull tight, a line catenary or a chain
catenary?

Here is a URL that will conclusively... and mathematically, prove that
Jax doesn't have a clue what he is talking about..... and, moreover,
that he is just plain wrong (again). This website includes a snappy
macro driven spread sheet that will work out nearly any what-if you
could ever imagine concerning line, chain, scope, tension, etc., etc.,
etc. It really *is* neat....

http://alain.fraysse.free.fr/sail/ro...ic/sta_hom.htm

Wow. Great site. Thanks.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

JohnH wrote:


Jax, for what it's worth, I value your opinion about as much as that of Krause.

John H

Indeed, Herring, your head is so full of right-wing, militaristic crap,
there's no room left for knowledge or wisdom, no matter the source. I
pity the poor souls who are entrusted to you in the classes where you
substitute.




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