UNANSWERED -- DID THE WHITE HOUSE VIOLATE THE LAW?: Woodward reveals that in
July 2002, Bush secretly approved diverting $700 million
(http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in612067.shtml)
meant for operations in Afghanistan into war planning for Iraq. Bush kept
Congress "totally in the dark on this," which raises serious legal questions
reminiscent of Iran-Contra: Article I, Section 9, Clause 7 of the U.S.
Constitution (http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html) vests
the power of the purse with Congress, and statutes bar the executive from
unilaterally moving money out of areas explicitly mandated by spending
bills. On CBS's Face the Nation
(http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face_041804.pdf) , Rice tried to defend
the move, claiming "resources were not taken from Afghanistan." Not only did
this response contradict the fact that special forces were pulled out of
Afghanistan
(http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...p-shifts_x.htm) in 2002
and moved to Iraq, but it did not address legal questions. As CBS anchor Bob
Schieffer said, "Dr. Rice, you cannot take money that Congress has
appropriated for one purpose and spend it on something else. That's against
the law." One other note: In the same supplemental bill, Bush further
ignored the will of Congress
(http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0802/081502cd1.htm) , blocking a
bipartisan, House- and Senate-passed homeland security funding package.

"Jim" wrote in message
...

UNANSWERED -- DID THE WHITE HOUSE VIOLATE THE LAW?: Woodward reveals that
in
July 2002, Bush secretly approved diverting $700 million
(http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in612067.shtml)
meant for operations in Afghanistan into war planning for Iraq. Bush kept
Congress "totally in the dark on this," which raises serious legal
questions
reminiscent of Iran-Contra: Article I, Section 9, Clause 7 of the U.S.
Constitution (http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html) vests
the power of the purse with Congress, and statutes bar the executive from
unilaterally moving money out of areas explicitly mandated by spending
bills. On CBS's Face the Nation
(http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face_041804.pdf) , Rice tried to defend
the move, claiming "resources were not taken from Afghanistan." Not only
did
this response contradict the fact that special forces were pulled out of
Afghanistan
(http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...p-shifts_x.htm) in
2002
and moved to Iraq, but it did not address legal questions. As CBS anchor
Bob
Schieffer said, "Dr. Rice, you cannot take money that Congress has
appropriated for one purpose and spend it on something else. That's
against
the law." One other note: In the same supplemental bill, Bush further
ignored the will of Congress
(http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0802/081502cd1.htm) , blocking a
bipartisan, House- and Senate-passed homeland security funding package.




Yeah, but Bush didn't lie about a blowjob, and that's what's really
important, isn't it?

Now this is really scary... apologies for the cut-n-paste, but perhaps
this will change the minds of a few military minded persons here who are
convinced Bush is a "strong" President and is keeping us safe from
terrorists.

The Bush Administration is giving top secret war plans to hostile
foreign powers, foreign gov't who are proven supporters of terrorism.
But hey, these particular guys are Bush business partners and promised
to cut oil prices right before the election, so that makes it OK!

DSK

***quote ***
From 60 minutes last night:

But, it turns out, two days before the president told Powell (of the
decision to go to war), Cheney and Rumsfeld had already briefed Prince
Bandar, the Saudi ambassador. ”Saturday, Jan. 11, with the president's
permission, Cheney and Rumsfeld call Bandar to Cheney's West Wing
office, and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Gen. Myers, is there with
a top-secret map of the war plan. And it says, ‘Top secret. No foreign.’
No foreign means no foreigners are supposed to see this,” says Woodward.

“They describe in detail the war plan for Bandar. And so Bandar, who's
skeptical because he knows in the first Gulf War we didn't get Saddam
out, so he says to Cheney and Rumsfeld, ‘So Saddam this time is gonna be
out, period?’ And Cheney - who has said nothing - says the following:
‘Prince Bandar, once we start, Saddam is toast.’"

After Bandar left, according to Woodward, Cheney said, “I wanted him to
know that this is for real. We're really doing it."

But this wasn’t enough for Prince Bandar, who Woodward says wanted
confirmation from the president. “Then, two days later, Bandar is called
to meet with the president and the president says, ‘Their message is my
message,’” says Woodward.

Prince Bandar enjoys easy access to the Oval Office. His family and the
Bush family are close. And Woodward told 60 Minutes that Bandar has
promised the president that Saudi Arabia will lower oil prices in the
months before the election - to ensure the U.S. economy is strong on
election day.

*** Quotes from 60 Minutes broadcast, 18APR04. ***

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:49:50 -0400, DSK wrote:

Now this is really scary... apologies for the cut-n-paste, but perhaps
this will change the minds of a few military minded persons here who are
convinced Bush is a "strong" President and is keeping us safe from
terrorists.

The Bush Administration is giving top secret war plans to hostile
foreign powers, foreign gov't who are proven supporters of terrorism.
But hey, these particular guys are Bush business partners and promised
to cut oil prices right before the election, so that makes it OK!

DSK

***quote ***
From 60 minutes last night:

But, it turns out, two days before the president told Powell (of the
decision to go to war), Cheney and Rumsfeld had already briefed Prince
Bandar, the Saudi ambassador. ”Saturday, Jan. 11, with the president's
permission, Cheney and Rumsfeld call Bandar to Cheney's West Wing
office, and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Gen. Myers, is there with
a top-secret map of the war plan. And it says, ‘Top secret. No foreign.’
No foreign means no foreigners are supposed to see this,” says Woodward.

“They describe in detail the war plan for Bandar. And so Bandar, who's
skeptical because he knows in the first Gulf War we didn't get Saddam
out, so he says to Cheney and Rumsfeld, ‘So Saddam this time is gonna be
out, period?’ And Cheney - who has said nothing - says the following:
‘Prince Bandar, once we start, Saddam is toast.’"

After Bandar left, according to Woodward, Cheney said, “I wanted him to
know that this is for real. We're really doing it."

But this wasn’t enough for Prince Bandar, who Woodward says wanted
confirmation from the president. “Then, two days later, Bandar is called
to meet with the president and the president says, ‘Their message is my
message,’” says Woodward.

Prince Bandar enjoys easy access to the Oval Office. His family and the
Bush family are close. And Woodward told 60 Minutes that Bandar has
promised the president that Saudi Arabia will lower oil prices in the
months before the election - to ensure the U.S. economy is strong on
election day.

*** Quotes from 60 Minutes broadcast, 18APR04. ***

Y'all gotta get your heads together. On the one hand you're whining that there
were no plans, on the other you're whining that Bush gave them away!

Come on folks. Good gosh, even my totally liberal, but somewhat intelligent,
brother can't believe the atrociously ridiculous stuff some of y'all are
posting.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

In article , jherring$$@
$$cox**.net says...


*** Quotes from 60 Minutes broadcast, 18APR04. ***

Y'all gotta get your heads together. On the one hand you're whining that there
were no plans, on the other you're whining that Bush gave them away!

Come on folks. Good gosh, even my totally liberal, but somewhat intelligent,
brother can't believe the atrociously ridiculous stuff some of y'all are
posting.

Did you have a couple a beers out on the boat today?

He shared the dubious plans to invade Iraq, such as they were, with a
foreign national before telling his Secretary of State of his plans.

The fact that the plans were a piece of **** notwithstanding.

jps

jps wrote:

In article , jherring$$@
$$cox**.net says...



*** Quotes from 60 Minutes broadcast, 18APR04. ***


Y'all gotta get your heads together. On the one hand you're whining that there
were no plans, on the other you're whining that Bush gave them away!

Come on folks. Good gosh, even my totally liberal, but somewhat intelligent,
brother can't believe the atrociously ridiculous stuff some of y'all are
posting.


Did you have a couple a beers out on the boat today?

He shared the dubious plans to invade Iraq, such as they were, with a
foreign national before telling his Secretary of State of his plans.

The fact that the plans were a piece of **** notwithstanding.

jps



Presidunce Bush and Saudi Prince Bandar also cut a deal to lower oil
prices just before our elections.

"John H" wrote
Come on folks. Good gosh, even my totally liberal, but somewhat
intelligent,
brother can't believe the atrociously ridiculous stuff some of y'all are
posting.

Are you posting from a WEBTV?
Seriously, are you? LOL

John H wrote in message
*** Quotes from 60 Minutes broadcast, 18APR04. ***

Y'all gotta get your heads together. On the one hand you're whining that there
were no plans, on the other you're whining that Bush gave them away!

Come on folks. Good gosh, even my totally liberal, but somewhat intelligent,
brother can't believe the atrociously ridiculous stuff some of y'all are
posting.

John H

Fact is, we had absolutely NO business invading Iraq.
And, I can't believe that you totally conservative people buy
everything that the dunce in chief spews. He is a proven liar, yet
you'd walk off a cliff with the other lemmings if he said it was good
for national security.

"basskisser" wrote
John H wrote in message
*** Quotes from 60 Minutes broadcast, 18APR04. ***

Y'all gotta get your heads together. On the one hand you're whining that
there
were no plans, on the other you're whining that Bush gave them away!

Come on folks. Good gosh, even my totally liberal, but somewhat
intelligent,
brother can't believe the atrociously ridiculous stuff some of y'all are
posting.

Fact is, we had absolutely NO business invading Iraq.
And, I can't believe that you totally conservative people buy
everything that the dunce in chief spews. He is a proven liar, yet
you'd walk off a cliff with the other lemmings if he said it was good
for national security.

Just a few years ago the same thing happened on the other side of the aisle
with the smeared blue dress, remember?
Idiocy doesn't choose sides.
People defending lying politicians are displaying their own character.
Anymore, elections aren't about voting YOUR guy in but rather voting the
OTHER guy out.

"Don" wrote in message
...
"basskisser" wrote
John H wrote in message
*** Quotes from 60 Minutes broadcast, 18APR04. ***

Y'all gotta get your heads together. On the one hand you're whining
that
there
were no plans, on the other you're whining that Bush gave them away!

Come on folks. Good gosh, even my totally liberal, but somewhat
intelligent,
brother can't believe the atrociously ridiculous stuff some of y'all
are
posting.

Fact is, we had absolutely NO business invading Iraq.
And, I can't believe that you totally conservative people buy
everything that the dunce in chief spews. He is a proven liar, yet
you'd walk off a cliff with the other lemmings if he said it was good
for national security.

Just a few years ago the same thing happened on the other side of the
aisle
with the smeared blue dress, remember?
Idiocy doesn't choose sides.
People defending lying politicians are displaying their own character.
Anymore, elections aren't about voting YOUR guy in but rather voting the
OTHER guy out.



That blue dress killed thousands of people, too, didn't it? You're right. It
was "the same thing". :-)