On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:49:50 -0400, DSK wrote:

Now this is really scary... apologies for the cut-n-paste, but perhaps
this will change the minds of a few military minded persons here who are
convinced Bush is a "strong" President and is keeping us safe from
terrorists.

The Bush Administration is giving top secret war plans to hostile
foreign powers, foreign gov't who are proven supporters of terrorism.
But hey, these particular guys are Bush business partners and promised
to cut oil prices right before the election, so that makes it OK!

DSK

***quote ***
From 60 minutes last night:

But, it turns out, two days before the president told Powell (of the
decision to go to war), Cheney and Rumsfeld had already briefed Prince
Bandar, the Saudi ambassador. ”Saturday, Jan. 11, with the president's
permission, Cheney and Rumsfeld call Bandar to Cheney's West Wing
office, and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Gen. Myers, is there with
a top-secret map of the war plan. And it says, ‘Top secret. No foreign.’
No foreign means no foreigners are supposed to see this,” says Woodward.

“They describe in detail the war plan for Bandar. And so Bandar, who's
skeptical because he knows in the first Gulf War we didn't get Saddam
out, so he says to Cheney and Rumsfeld, ‘So Saddam this time is gonna be
out, period?’ And Cheney - who has said nothing - says the following:
‘Prince Bandar, once we start, Saddam is toast.’"

After Bandar left, according to Woodward, Cheney said, “I wanted him to
know that this is for real. We're really doing it."

But this wasn’t enough for Prince Bandar, who Woodward says wanted
confirmation from the president. “Then, two days later, Bandar is called
to meet with the president and the president says, ‘Their message is my
message,’” says Woodward.

Prince Bandar enjoys easy access to the Oval Office. His family and the
Bush family are close. And Woodward told 60 Minutes that Bandar has
promised the president that Saudi Arabia will lower oil prices in the
months before the election - to ensure the U.S. economy is strong on
election day.

*** Quotes from 60 Minutes broadcast, 18APR04. ***

Y'all gotta get your heads together. On the one hand you're whining that there
were no plans, on the other you're whining that Bush gave them away!

Come on folks. Good gosh, even my totally liberal, but somewhat intelligent,
brother can't believe the atrociously ridiculous stuff some of y'all are
posting.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!