Brunswick also owns mariner and mercury marine - companies within the
corporation with excellent heritages of their own, just like whaler, all
fine products

My understanding is that Maxum is a branded boat made by the bayliner
company - not a seperate company in the corporation- there is a big
difference.

is this true or not?


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Actually, the maxum is a v-drive -
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/5/0/50711350.htm

but I've since learned it's a bayliner owned line, so that's out of the
question.

That's a goofy position to take.
"Bayliner" doesn't own "Maxum" any more than Chevrolet owns Buick,
Pontiac, or
Cadillac.

Bayliner and Maxum are both trademarks of the Brunswick company. Bayliner
is
the more basic, no frills boat. If you are going to rule out Maxum because
the
company builds the less expensive Bayliner trademark, you will also want
to be
sure you don't look at Hatteras, Sea Ray, Boston Whaler, Meridian, Trophy,
Baja, and a few others.....all of which are Brusnwick products and just as
"owned by Bayliner" as the Maxum is.

While you're at it, make sure you don't even begin to consider anything
with a
Mercruiser engine. Yup. "Owned by Bayliner" too. :-)

Brunswick also owns mariner and mercury marine - companies within the
corporation with excellent heritages of their own, just like whaler, all
fine products

My understanding is that Maxum is a branded boat made by the bayliner
company - not a seperate company in the corporation- there is a big
difference.

is this true or not?

Depends on the definition of "is".

Is the Maxum built by the same parent company that builds Bayliner? Yes, it is.
Along with a lot of other brand names.

Is the Maxum built identically to the Bayliner product and simply rebadged? No,
it is not.

Rough parallel: Ground beef and a medium
grade steak. Came from the same cow, have the same nutritional value, but most
people will pay slightly more for one than for the other because they see a
difference in value.

Maxum is more similar to Bayliner than it is to some of the other Brunswick
labels, but take a close look at the two boats and you will see why the Maxum
brings a little more money. There are boats on the market, (not bult by
Brunswick), that are probably not any better than a Maxum.
And that's why I remarked it might be silly to dismiss Maxum without even
looking at it because some dock-walking expert advisor gave the standard knock
against Bayliner and there is an association between the two boats.

(Workmanship is fairly close to about the same among most popularly priced,
mass-pro boats anymore. It's a production line assembly worker's job these
days, not a shipwright's trade.You'll find the majority of differences in
design, layup technique, and materials schedules.)






"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Actually, the maxum is a v-drive -
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/5/0/50711350.htm

but I've since learned it's a bayliner owned line, so that's out of the
question.

That's a goofy position to take.
"Bayliner" doesn't own "Maxum" any more than Chevrolet owns Buick,
Pontiac, or
Cadillac.

Bayliner and Maxum are both trademarks of the Brunswick company. Bayliner
is
the more basic, no frills boat. If you are going to rule out Maxum because
the
company builds the less expensive Bayliner trademark, you will also want
to be
sure you don't look at Hatteras, Sea Ray, Boston Whaler, Meridian, Trophy,
Baja, and a few others.....all of which are Brusnwick products and just as
"owned by Bayliner" as the Maxum is.

While you're at it, make sure you don't even begin to consider anything
with a
Mercruiser engine. Yup. "Owned by Bayliner" too. :-)

I would dismiss Maxim because it meets no of the criteria the man is looking
for, it is neither a ski boat or a wakeboard boat. It is a runabout, which
is nice for pulling water toys, but it won't give you a flat wake for skiing
or a rolling wake for wakeboarding.


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Brunswick also owns mariner and mercury marine - companies within the
corporation with excellent heritages of their own, just like whaler, all
fine products

My understanding is that Maxum is a branded boat made by the bayliner
company - not a seperate company in the corporation- there is a big
difference.

is this true or not?

Depends on the definition of "is".

Is the Maxum built by the same parent company that builds Bayliner? Yes,
it is.
Along with a lot of other brand names.

Is the Maxum built identically to the Bayliner product and simply
rebadged? No,
it is not.

Rough parallel: Ground beef and a medium
grade steak. Came from the same cow, have the same nutritional value, but
most
people will pay slightly more for one than for the other because they see
a
difference in value.

Maxum is more similar to Bayliner than it is to some of the other
Brunswick
labels, but take a close look at the two boats and you will see why the
Maxum
brings a little more money. There are boats on the market, (not bult by
Brunswick), that are probably not any better than a Maxum.
And that's why I remarked it might be silly to dismiss Maxum without even
looking at it because some dock-walking expert advisor gave the standard
knock
against Bayliner and there is an association between the two boats.

(Workmanship is fairly close to about the same among most popularly
priced,
mass-pro boats anymore. It's a production line assembly worker's job these
days, not a shipwright's trade.You'll find the majority of differences in
design, layup technique, and materials schedules.)






"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Actually, the maxum is a v-drive -
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/5/0/50711350.htm

but I've since learned it's a bayliner owned line, so that's out of
the
question.

That's a goofy position to take.
"Bayliner" doesn't own "Maxum" any more than Chevrolet owns Buick,
Pontiac, or
Cadillac.

Bayliner and Maxum are both trademarks of the Brunswick company.
Bayliner
is
the more basic, no frills boat. If you are going to rule out Maxum
because
the
company builds the less expensive Bayliner trademark, you will also
want
to be
sure you don't look at Hatteras, Sea Ray, Boston Whaler, Meridian,
Trophy,
Baja, and a few others.....all of which are Brusnwick products and just
as
"owned by Bayliner" as the Maxum is.

While you're at it, make sure you don't even begin to consider anything
with a
Mercruiser engine. Yup. "Owned by Bayliner" too. :-)

I would dismiss Maxim because it meets no of the criteria the man is looking
for, it is neither a ski boat or a wakeboard boat.

As anybody should dismiss a boat that they believe is not designed to perform
in the specific manner they are looking for.

That's different than refusing to consider a boat because it's built by
Brunswick.

am --
Brunswick also owns mariner and mercury marine - companies within the
corporation with excellent heritages of their own, just like whaler, all
fine products

My understanding is that Maxum is a branded boat made by the bayliner
company - not a seperate company in the corporation- there is a big
difference.

is this true or not?

df--

I did some consulting for US Marine near Seattle. The same people who
design Bayliner also design Maxum. The same factories and workers are
used, and I believe the same molds, etc are used.

However, the budget to build the Maxum is higher, and the kinds of
things that they put in the hull are higher quality than the Bayliner.
There is more attention to the finish.

Maxum is not Bayliner.

I did some consulting for US Marine near Seattle. The same people who
design Bayliner also design Maxum. The same factories and workers are
used, and I believe the same molds, etc are used.

The same molds are not used.

For example; compare the 18-foot Maxum with the 18-foot Bayliner

Maxum:
LOA is 17'6"
beam is 7'
hull draft is 18"
deadrise is 19 degrees
weight is 2000 pounds.

The Maxum is built with an interior fiberglass liner, consistent with the
"three piece" construction technique used by many builders. (hull, interior
liner, deck).

Comparable 18-foot Bayliner:

LOA is 18' 0"
Beam is 7'6"
Deadrise is 17 degrees
Weight is 1878 pounds
Hull draft is 14"

Clearly *not* the same mold.

Rather than an interior fiberglass liner, the Bayliner uses "XL composite
panels" with a "lifetime limited guarantee against rot in hull, deck, and
upholstery components."

Some of the weight difference may be due to the difference in standard engines.
The Bayliner has a 90HP outboard as the standard engine, while the Maxum is
standard with a 3- liter stern drive. Once again, not the same mold at all.

alright enough already, comparing a maxum to a whaler is not a valid
comparison, but maxum is not a low-end re-badged bayliner... sorry for my
bigotry against bayliners..

Back to the point -

are Tige's any good?

There is a Pre bowrider with Taps wake system available in my price range
locally. It looks good - is Tige considered peers with correct craft and
master craft?

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
I did some consulting for US Marine near Seattle. The same people who
design Bayliner also design Maxum. The same factories and workers are
used, and I believe the same molds, etc are used.

The same molds are not used.

For example; compare the 18-foot Maxum with the 18-foot Bayliner

Maxum:
LOA is 17'6"
beam is 7'
hull draft is 18"
deadrise is 19 degrees
weight is 2000 pounds.

The Maxum is built with an interior fiberglass liner, consistent with the
"three piece" construction technique used by many builders. (hull,
interior
liner, deck).

Comparable 18-foot Bayliner:

LOA is 18' 0"
Beam is 7'6"
Deadrise is 17 degrees
Weight is 1878 pounds
Hull draft is 14"

Clearly *not* the same mold.

Rather than an interior fiberglass liner, the Bayliner uses "XL composite
panels" with a "lifetime limited guarantee against rot in hull, deck, and
upholstery components."

Some of the weight difference may be due to the difference in standard
engines.
The Bayliner has a 90HP outboard as the standard engine, while the Maxum
is
standard with a 3- liter stern drive. Once again, not the same mold at
all.