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Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
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http://www.nynewsday.com/news/nation...tion-headlines Mich. Town Split Over Muslim Loudspeakers By Associated Press April 14, 2004, 3:17 PM EDT HAMTRAMCK, Mich. -- A request by Muslims to allow mosques to use loudspeakers for the call to prayer has prompted a backlash among some of their mostly white, Christian neighbors. They are circulating a petition opposing the request by the Al-Islah Islamic Center for a change in the city noise ordinance. The Muslim call to prayer occurs five times a day between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. "When you call to prayer, you are proselytizing, and as a citizen of the United States, I don't want to hear it," Bob Golen, 68, said at a City Council hearing Tuesday. Caroline Zarski, 81, agreed. "It is not my God. My God is Jesus Christ. I don't want this noise invading my home at 10 p.m.," she said. Still, Council President Karen Majewski said the proposed amendment is likely to pass next week in this separate municipality inside Detroit. Muslim speakers said they often hear church bells as early as 6 a.m. They said the call to prayer would be less noisy. "It's a low-pitched voice. It's not going to wake up anybody," said Abdul Algazali, a Hamtramck businessman. Copyright © 2004, The Associated Press Islam wants to take over America. Support the Second Amendment and protect yourself. |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
"Christopher Robin" wrote in message om... ArKLyte_ wrote in message . .. http://www.nynewsday.com/news/nation...tion-headlines Mich. Town Split Over Muslim Loudspeakers By Associated Press April 14, 2004, 3:17 PM EDT HAMTRAMCK, Mich. -- A request by Muslims to allow mosques to use loudspeakers for the call to prayer has prompted a backlash among some of their mostly white, Christian neighbors. They are circulating a petition opposing the request by the Al-Islah Islamic Center for a change in the city noise ordinance. The Muslim call to prayer occurs five times a day between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. "When you call to prayer, you are proselytizing, and as a citizen of the United States, I don't want to hear it," Bob Golen, 68, said at a City Council hearing Tuesday. Caroline Zarski, 81, agreed. "It is not my God. My God is Jesus Christ. I don't want this noise invading my home at 10 p.m.," she said. Still, Council President Karen Majewski said the proposed amendment is likely to pass next week in this separate municipality inside Detroit. Muslim speakers said they often hear church bells as early as 6 a.m. They said the call to prayer would be less noisy. "It's a low-pitched voice. It's not going to wake up anybody," said Abdul Algazali, a Hamtramck businessman. Copyright © 2004, The Associated Press Islam wants to take over America. Support the Second Amendment and protect yourself. ===================== "There are five mosques in Hamtramck, and three others just over the border in Detroit." Sounds like they've already taken over greater Detroit. I'm sure it will be a "low-pitched voice" g. Have you ever heard how they sound in other countries? Loud and unavoidable with all of that singing/wavering/howling sounds of Arabic. I wouldn't want to hear it any time of the day. At least you don't have to answer the door when the Jehovah's Witnesses or the Mormons show up. You wouldn't be able to escape the Muslims in like manner. Church bells generally sound pleasant to most people. What kind of religion forces people to worship at a prescribed time multiple times of the day? A deadly one! David S. |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
"plantsman" wrote in message ..... I'm sure it will be a "low-pitched voice" g. Have you ever heard how they sound in other countries? I've spent a considerable time over the last thirty-five years living and working in various mid-east countries. There is absolutely nothing unobtrusive about the prayer calls. And it isn't just 6AM. When I lived in Turkey, the morning call in summer came as early as 3:30AM. I suspect there are a few citizens of Hamtramck who will take care of the loudspeakers. |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Christopher Robin wrote: ArKLyte_ wrote in message . .. http://www.nynewsday.com/news/nation...-muslim-loudsp eakers,0,2042495.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines Mich. Town Split Over Muslim Loudspeakers By Associated Press April 14, 2004, 3:17 PM EDT HAMTRAMCK, Mich. -- A request by Muslims to allow mosques to use loudspeakers for the call to prayer has prompted a backlash among some of their mostly white, Christian neighbors. They are circulating a petition opposing the request by the Al-Islah Islamic Center for a change in the city noise ordinance. The Muslim call to prayer occurs five times a day between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. "When you call to prayer, you are proselytizing, and as a citizen of the United States, I don't want to hear it," Bob Golen, 68, said at a City Council hearing Tuesday. Caroline Zarski, 81, agreed. "It is not my God. My God is Jesus Christ. I don't want this noise invading my home at 10 p.m.," she said. Still, Council President Karen Majewski said the proposed amendment is likely to pass next week in this separate municipality inside Detroit. Muslim speakers said they often hear church bells as early as 6 a.m. They said the call to prayer would be less noisy. "It's a low-pitched voice. It's not going to wake up anybody," said Abdul Algazali, a Hamtramck businessman. Copyright © 2004, The Associated Press Islam wants to take over America. Support the Second Amendment and protect yourself. Though different, no worse than what the fundie "Christian" republicans have in mind for USA. In many parts of SE Georgia and NE Florida, for example, the right-wing "Christians" have their mitts everywhere, come banging on your door looking for converts, and are damned slow to take no for an answer. They want to control the public schools, the libraries, the movie theaters, the airwaves, entertainment venues, access to medical treatment and much, much more. Religious fanaticism is ugly, no matter the flavor. Much the same as left wing secular fanaticism. |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Christopher Robin wrote: ArKLyte_ wrote in message . .. http://www.nynewsday.com/news/nation...-muslim-loudsp eakers,0,2042495.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines Mich. Town Split Over Muslim Loudspeakers By Associated Press April 14, 2004, 3:17 PM EDT HAMTRAMCK, Mich. -- A request by Muslims to allow mosques to use loudspeakers for the call to prayer has prompted a backlash among some of their mostly white, Christian neighbors. They are circulating a petition opposing the request by the Al-Islah Islamic Center for a change in the city noise ordinance. The Muslim call to prayer occurs five times a day between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. "When you call to prayer, you are proselytizing, and as a citizen of the United States, I don't want to hear it," Bob Golen, 68, said at a City Council hearing Tuesday. Caroline Zarski, 81, agreed. "It is not my God. My God is Jesus Christ. I don't want this noise invading my home at 10 p.m.," she said. Still, Council President Karen Majewski said the proposed amendment is likely to pass next week in this separate municipality inside Detroit. Muslim speakers said they often hear church bells as early as 6 a.m. They said the call to prayer would be less noisy. "It's a low-pitched voice. It's not going to wake up anybody," said Abdul Algazali, a Hamtramck businessman. Copyright © 2004, The Associated Press Islam wants to take over America. Support the Second Amendment and protect yourself. Though different, no worse than what the fundie "Christian" republicans have in mind for USA. In many parts of SE Georgia and NE Florida, for example, the right-wing "Christians" have their mitts everywhere, come banging on your door looking for converts, and are damned slow to take no for an answer. They want to control the public schools, the libraries, the movie theaters, the airwaves, entertainment venues, access to medical treatment and much, much more. Sounds an awful lot like the Democrats! Religious fanaticism is ugly, no matter the flavor. Political fanaticism is ugly, no matter the flavor. |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
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"plantsman" wrote: What kind of religion forces people to worship at a prescribed time multiple times of the day? A deadly one! To help you find the correct answer to your question, you might try looking up the following words in any good dictionary or encycopedia: prime, lauds, matins, tierce, sext, none, vespers, compline Hint: they are the names of the daily prayer times in the Christian Chruch and are still observed in convents and monasteries. With the addition of the daily Mass, they add up to NINE (not just five) daily offices. In the Anglican Church, they have been reduced for lay people to three recommended offices: Morning Prayer (Matins), Evening Prayer (Vespers or Evensong) and private nighttime prayer before bed (Compline). These offices are related to the Jewish custom, as found in Psalm 119: "Seven times a day do I praise thee." To which is added the nighttime office on the basis of "in the middle of the night will I rise to give thanks unto thee", found in the same psalm. That accounts for the eight hours of the Christian Divine Office to which the Mass is added, for a total of nine. It looks like pious Christians and pious Jews are praying even more often than pious Muslims. -- Peace to all who seek God's face. Abdelkarim Benoit Evans |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
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Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
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Abdelkarim Benoit Evans wrote: In article , "plantsman" wrote: What kind of religion forces people to worship at a prescribed time multiple times of the day? A deadly one! prime, lauds, matins, tierce, sext, none, vespers, compline... [...] they are the names of the daily prayer times in the Christian Chruch and are still observed in convents and monasteries. [...] It looks like pious Christians and pious Jews are praying even more often than pious Muslims. Argumentum ineptia. You have reached back into the middle ages (how very "muslim") to the Order of the Divine Offices in a pathetic attempt to piece together another of your half-witted theories to justify muslim absurdities and stupidities. Generally only monastics (and there are very few) who cloister themselves from society observe all the Daily Offices. Moreover, this has NOTHING to do with muslims trying to force their obnoxious, disturbing and wholly unnecessary loudspeakers on everyone else. But I thank you for epitomizing, once again, the absurdity and deceitfulness of islam and its cult members like you. You provide a valuable service to all non-muslim (civilized) society in acquainting us all with every possible asinine or reprehensible aspect of your dangerous ideology. .. |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
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"John Gaquin" wrote: "plantsman" wrote in message ..... I'm sure it will be a "low-pitched voice" g. Have you ever heard how they sound in other countries? I've spent a considerable time over the last thirty-five years living and working in various mid-east countries. There is absolutely nothing unobtrusive about the prayer calls. And it isn't just 6AM. When I lived in Turkey, the morning call in summer came as early as 3:30AM. I suspect there are a few citizens of Hamtramck who will take care of the loudspeakers. Their city council (if they pass this) might as well start packing now. |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
"John Gaquin" wrote in message ...
"plantsman" wrote in message ..... I'm sure it will be a "low-pitched voice" g. Have you ever heard how they sound in other countries? I've spent a considerable time over the last thirty-five years living and working in various mid-east countries. There is absolutely nothing unobtrusive about the prayer calls. And it isn't just 6AM. When I lived in Turkey, the morning call in summer came as early as 3:30AM. I recall arriving in Saudi Arabia years late at night. I got to bed about 3 AM in the barracks where I was to live for the next few months... At about 5:30 the screaming started. I knew prayer calls happened there, but I was not prepared to hear it for the first time through an open window from a mosgue across the street. I shot up from bed... "What the F&#! is that!?!?! JESUS CHRIST!!" My room mate woke up laughing at me. "*He* has nothing to do with it. *That* is what we call a 'Prayer Raid Siren.' Welcome to Saudi...dude." I recall, maybe two or three times in the several months I was in the mideast, where a prayer call didn't sounds so bad. But someone with a good sounding voice doing the call was definitely the exception, not the rule. I agree that if other Churches are allowed to ring bells for religious reasons (as opposed to just announcing that it's noon) then mosques should be allowed to have prayer calls. Those of us in rec.boats should go back to the jet ski issue (at least that political discussion was on topic). When it was brought to your attention that jet skis did not exceed noise limits, and were in fact quieter that many other powerboats, how many of you said something like... "It isn't the volume... Jet Skis make an irritating obnoxious noise that just grates on people...." ??? Welcome back to the same argument. I suspect there are a few citizens of Hamtramck who will take care of the loudspeakers. Just like they would "take care of" of catholic church bells in Saudi? |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
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... In article , "John Gaquin" wrote: "plantsman" wrote in message ..... I'm sure it will be a "low-pitched voice" g. Have you ever heard how they sound in other countries? I've spent a considerable time over the last thirty-five years living and working in various mid-east countries. There is absolutely nothing unobtrusive about the prayer calls. And it isn't just 6AM. When I lived in Turkey, the morning call in summer came as early as 3:30AM. I suspect there are a few citizens of Hamtramck who will take care of the loudspeakers. Their city council (if they pass this) might as well start packing now. If the town's anything like here, you need a permit to use sound reinforcement equipment of a certain size, outdoors at ANY time of day, unless it involves the sirens/horns on an emergency vehicle. The council needs to either look further into existing laws, or move real quick and change the ones they have so "no permit, no loudspeakers". |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
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... In article , Abdelkarim Benoit Evans wrote: In article , "plantsman" wrote: What kind of religion forces people to worship at a prescribed time multiple times of the day? A deadly one! prime, lauds, matins, tierce, sext, none, vespers, compline... [...] they are the names of the daily prayer times in the Christian Chruch and are still observed in convents and monasteries. [...] It looks like pious Christians and pious Jews are praying even more often than pious Muslims. Argumentum ineptia. You have reached back into the middle ages (how very "muslim") to the Order of the Divine Offices in a pathetic attempt to piece together another of your half-witted theories to justify muslim absurdities and stupidities. Generally only monastics (and there are very few) who cloister themselves from society observe all the Daily Offices. Moreover, this has NOTHING to do with muslims trying to force their obnoxious, disturbing and wholly unnecessary loudspeakers on everyone else. But I thank you for epitomizing, once again, the absurdity and deceitfulness of islam and its cult members like you. You provide a valuable service to all non-muslim (civilized) society in acquainting us all with every possible asinine or reprehensible aspect of your dangerous ideology. . Have you ever lived a block away from "pretty" church bells? Hmmm??? |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
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... Christopher Robin wrote in message Why don't they use beepers or some other electronic device? Don....Don...Don....when will you learn? Like most other newcomers, these Islamic people wanna be real Americans. That means you get to make as much noise as your want (because it's "freedom of expression"), as much garbage as you want, matter of fact, as much of ANYTHING as you want, regardless of how it affects your neighbors. It's our god-given right to start our lawnmowers at 7:00 AM, or warm the car up for an hour. In May. |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
"Curtis CCR" wrote in message Just like they would "take care of" of catholic church bells in Saudi? Catholic church bells in Saudi Arabia? |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
"plantsman" wrote in message Church bells generally sound pleasant to most people. What kind of religion forces people to worship at a prescribed time multiple times of the day? It's not just that they sound pleasant to the western ear. Big bells can be painful when close by. The main point is that as a general rule, church bells in the US rarely ring more than once a day, and in many locales, only on Sunday. In small towns there may be daily ringings, but it is usually with the tacit consent of the general population, just as every little village and hamlet in the mid-east will have their broadcast calls five x per day, and the local populace considers it soothing. But you can bet your ass not one soul in SA or Iran or any of a host of other countries would tolerate Christian church bells ringing multiple times per day. They would find it offensive, and ban it outright, as is their right. And we should not hesitate to do the same. God (or Allah) knows they don't need a 120db speaker to remind them it is prayer time. Our system and our laws ensure that practitioners of minority religions are not persecuted, but we are not at all bound to allow that small minority activity to intrude on, or inconvenience, or aggravate the majority of the population. We are, in fact, a judeo-christian based society, and anyone not of that cultural strain who chooses to live here should deal with that on their own, just as any of us who have lived in SA or elsewhere have had to adjust to their customs and society. |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
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Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:13:31 -0500, Phaedrine
wrote: In article , (Curtis CCR) wrote: I agree that if other Churches are allowed to ring bells for religious reasons (as opposed to just announcing that it's noon) then mosques should be allowed to have prayer calls. I guess I do not understand how you equate the two. If mosques are allowed loudspeakers, for instance, then perhaps churches should be allowed to use electronic augmentation for their bells as well? Is that what you are saying? (I don't understand why rec.boats got on this list!) Because someone where ever you are cross posted to this group. You don't have something against boats, do you? We have a hard enough time sticking to the topic, without mosques and minarets and stereo praying systems getting us confused. Trust me, putting up with b'asskisser is hard enough. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
"Phaedrine" wrote in message
... In article , (Curtis CCR) wrote: I agree that if other Churches are allowed to ring bells for religious reasons (as opposed to just announcing that it's noon) then mosques should be allowed to have prayer calls. I guess I do not understand how you equate the two. If mosques are allowed loudspeakers, for instance, then perhaps churches should be allowed to use electronic augmentation for their bells as well? Is that what you are saying? (I don't understand why rec.boats got on this list!) Allowing Muslims to use loudspeakers doesn't mean everyone else is going to do the same. Jehovah's Witnesses robots knock on your door when you're busy, trying to make you take stupid pamphlets. They're legally allowed to do so, but you don't see Hassidic Jews doing it, right? It's just a difference in the approach. Having said this, I'd take any opportunity to murder anyone who blasted prayer announcements over a loudspeaker at 5-something in the morning. But, this is a personal view, not a legal one. :-) By the way, won't noise ordinances take care of some of this problem? |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
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Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
In article , Abdelkarim Benoit Evans wrote:
This is what y'all get for not watching the CROSSPOSTING... Sheesh In article , "plantsman" wrote: What kind of religion forces people to worship at a prescribed time multiple times of the day? A deadly one! To help you find the correct answer to your question, you might try looking up the following words in any good dictionary or encycopedia: prime, lauds, matins, tierce, sext, none, vespers, compline Hint: they are the names of the daily prayer times in the Christian Chruch and are still observed in convents and monasteries. With the addition of the daily Mass, they add up to NINE (not just five) daily offices. In the Anglican Church, they have been reduced for lay people to three recommended offices: Morning Prayer (Matins), Evening Prayer (Vespers or Evensong) and private nighttime prayer before bed (Compline). These offices are related to the Jewish custom, as found in Psalm 119: "Seven times a day do I praise thee." To which is added the nighttime office on the basis of "in the middle of the night will I rise to give thanks unto thee", found in the same psalm. That accounts for the eight hours of the Christian Divine Office to which the Mass is added, for a total of nine. It looks like pious Christians and pious Jews are praying even more often than pious Muslims. |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer **DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW TO NOT CROSSPOST INTO ISLAM AND OTHER GROUPS?
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Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message ... Christopher Robin wrote in message Why don't they use beepers or some other electronic device? Don....Don...Don....when will you learn? Like most other newcomers, these Islamic people wanna be real Americans. That means you get to make as much noise as your want (because it's "freedom of expression"), as much garbage as you want, matter of fact, as much of ANYTHING as you want, regardless of how it affects your neighbors. It's our god-given right to start our lawnmowers at 7:00 AM, or warm the car up for an hour. In May. I used to have African neighbors that ran around buck-nekkid a lot and always had the windows (even in the dead of Houston's summer heat!) and blinds open. It made life really interesting especially when they started yelling in their native language which tends to be loud and very animated even in normal conversation. The oldest son is a resident doctor that is going to be a heart-surgeon. The next son played football for Navy and had an academic scholarship as well. The youngest daughter is in high school and has goals to be a neuro-surgeon. Another son is in Baylor up in Waco right now, he wants to be a businessman. And the wild one (oldest daughter) whom daddy caught in the sack with her boyfriend once upon a time and chased her around the block nekkid has caught religious fervor (Christian) and is actually considering being a nun. The parents are both nurses. The mother looked pretty good nekkid. Gramma wasn't too hot though but she was a lot of fun. She used to go through the neighborhood with a large butcher knife early in the morning and slice open people's garbage bags and recycle soda cans. She always tied them back shut. The police keep getting lots of phone calls from freaked out neighbors. I used to drive her to the recycle center. And she would purchase cloth from a cloth store to make dresses and clothes. Folks used to stare at us a lot. She was 250 lbs (at least) and coal black and always glistening with sweat. She wore home made TuTu like dresses with unimaginable colors and patterns. She always wore a turban of sorts. And she would lift her skirt and sort of dance/run/flitter from one place to another. She was very fluid and delicate for a woman of her scale. Oh yeah she dusted herself and her very large bosom (size 52 by my estimate) with home made "heart remedy". When people stared she used to grab my arm and proudly say "This is my fiancé! We are getting married soon!" and kiss my cheek. Gramma went back to Ghana and I actually miss the old gal. I never liked the father too much. He was a *******. But he certainly deserves some credit for the fine children that he raised. LOL... no joke. Life in America..... |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:
"Phaedrine" wrote in message ... In article , (Curtis CCR) wrote: I agree that if other Churches are allowed to ring bells for religious reasons (as opposed to just announcing that it's noon) then mosques should be allowed to have prayer calls. I guess I do not understand how you equate the two. If mosques are allowed loudspeakers, for instance, then perhaps churches should be allowed to use electronic augmentation for their bells as well? Is that what you are saying? (I don't understand why rec.boats got on this list!) Allowing Muslims to use loudspeakers doesn't mean everyone else is going to do the same. Jehovah's Witnesses robots knock on your door when you're busy, trying to make you take stupid pamphlets. They're legally allowed to do so, but you don't see Hassidic Jews doing it, right? It's just a difference in the approach. Having said this, I'd take any opportunity to murder anyone who blasted prayer announcements over a loudspeaker at 5-something in the morning. But, this is a personal view, not a legal one. :-) By the way, won't noise ordinances take care of some of this problem? A little of ACDC's 'Back in Black' would take care of the problem, played on loudspeakers and with oh say-- 600 watt amplifiers at the same time as the prayer calls. Doug, I know that you are smart enough to check for cross-posting? |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
"John Gaquin" wrote in message ...
"Curtis CCR" wrote in message Just like they would "take care of" of catholic church bells in Saudi? Catholic church bells in Saudi Arabia? That's my point... how long do you think they would last? |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
"Curtis CCR" wrote in message om... "John Gaquin" wrote in message ... "Curtis CCR" wrote in message Just like they would "take care of" of catholic church bells in Saudi? Catholic church bells in Saudi Arabia? That's my point... how long do you think they would last? And that's my point -- they'd never get there in the first place. |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
In article ,
John H wrote: On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:13:31 -0500, Phaedrine wrote: In article , (Curtis CCR) wrote: I agree that if other Churches are allowed to ring bells for religious reasons (as opposed to just announcing that it's noon) then mosques should be allowed to have prayer calls. I guess I do not understand how you equate the two. If mosques are allowed loudspeakers, for instance, then perhaps churches should be allowed to use electronic augmentation for their bells as well? Is that what you are saying? (I don't understand why rec.boats got on this list!) Because someone where ever you are cross posted to this group. You don't have something against boats, do you? Definitely not! We are both sailors in this domicile. We have a hard enough time sticking to the topic, without mosques and minarets and stereo praying systems getting us confused. Trust me, putting up with b'asskisser is hard enough. John H LOL!! Well John, my apologies for contributing to disturbing your harmony. Maybe I can make up for the OT post...... On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! OB Boats: When we were a little younger, we once took a week to sail around all the little islands on Erie in a little chartered Morgan with aft and center cabins. I was pregnant at the time. One of those unexpected Lake Erie storms came up and just tossed us around like a plastic toy. After reefing the sails, we tried beating it in to Marblehead but the winds were so strong we were edging toward a massive breakwall of rocks. Alas the damn engine wouldn't start to help us out either. I was greener than Kermit the frog, standing in the cabin well watching sheet after sheet of rain beat the hell out of my husband who was thinking "My kingdom for a Cape Dory". But finally he got the engine started and made it in to shore without a mark. It was a great sail. :) Phae .. |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
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Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:45:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "Phaedrine" wrote in message ... In article , (Curtis CCR) wrote: I agree that if other Churches are allowed to ring bells for religious reasons (as opposed to just announcing that it's noon) then mosques should be allowed to have prayer calls. I guess I do not understand how you equate the two. If mosques are allowed loudspeakers, for instance, then perhaps churches should be allowed to use electronic augmentation for their bells as well? Is that what you are saying? (I don't understand why rec.boats got on this list!) Allowing Muslims to use loudspeakers doesn't mean everyone else is going to do the same. Jehovah's Witnesses robots knock on your door when you're busy, trying to make you take stupid pamphlets. They're legally allowed to do so, but you don't see Hassidic Jews doing it, right? It's just a difference in the approach. Having said this, I'd take any opportunity to murder anyone who blasted prayer announcements over a loudspeaker at 5-something in the morning. But, this is a personal view, not a legal one. :-) By the way, won't noise ordinances take care of some of this problem? If Muslims are allowed to use loudspeakers, shouldn't the Mexicans on the corner be allowed to blast the "salsa" on their systems at midnight? I mean, if it's a cultural thing and all. PS. Doug, did I see your pretty face in a discussion of Nikon lenses? John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:45:19 -0500, Phaedrine
wrote: In article , John H wrote: On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:13:31 -0500, Phaedrine wrote: In article , (Curtis CCR) wrote: I agree that if other Churches are allowed to ring bells for religious reasons (as opposed to just announcing that it's noon) then mosques should be allowed to have prayer calls. I guess I do not understand how you equate the two. If mosques are allowed loudspeakers, for instance, then perhaps churches should be allowed to use electronic augmentation for their bells as well? Is that what you are saying? (I don't understand why rec.boats got on this list!) Because someone where ever you are cross posted to this group. You don't have something against boats, do you? Definitely not! We are both sailors in this domicile. We have a hard enough time sticking to the topic, without mosques and minarets and stereo praying systems getting us confused. Trust me, putting up with b'asskisser is hard enough. John H LOL!! Well John, my apologies for contributing to disturbing your harmony. Maybe I can make up for the OT post...... On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! OB Boats: When we were a little younger, we once took a week to sail around all the little islands on Erie in a little chartered Morgan with aft and center cabins. I was pregnant at the time. One of those unexpected Lake Erie storms came up and just tossed us around like a plastic toy. After reefing the sails, we tried beating it in to Marblehead but the winds were so strong we were edging toward a massive breakwall of rocks. Alas the damn engine wouldn't start to help us out either. I was greener than Kermit the frog, standing in the cabin well watching sheet after sheet of rain beat the hell out of my husband who was thinking "My kingdom for a Cape Dory". But finally he got the engine started and made it in to shore without a mark. It was a great sail. :) Phae . If you'd paid attention to your daddy, you wouldn't have been pregnant and would have had a much better time! Harmony!? You haven't spent much time in rec.boats, have you? There is very little harmony gets tossed around here. I can't believe this thread has lasted as long as it has without a bunch of horrid name calling. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
"John H" wrote in message
... On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:45:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Phaedrine" wrote in message ... In article , (Curtis CCR) wrote: I agree that if other Churches are allowed to ring bells for religious reasons (as opposed to just announcing that it's noon) then mosques should be allowed to have prayer calls. I guess I do not understand how you equate the two. If mosques are allowed loudspeakers, for instance, then perhaps churches should be allowed to use electronic augmentation for their bells as well? Is that what you are saying? (I don't understand why rec.boats got on this list!) Allowing Muslims to use loudspeakers doesn't mean everyone else is going to do the same. Jehovah's Witnesses robots knock on your door when you're busy, trying to make you take stupid pamphlets. They're legally allowed to do so, but you don't see Hassidic Jews doing it, right? It's just a difference in the approach. Having said this, I'd take any opportunity to murder anyone who blasted prayer announcements over a loudspeaker at 5-something in the morning. But, this is a personal view, not a legal one. :-) By the way, won't noise ordinances take care of some of this problem? If Muslims are allowed to use loudspeakers, shouldn't the Mexicans on the corner be allowed to blast the "salsa" on their systems at midnight? I mean, if it's a cultural thing and all. Mexicans *do* blast salsa all night, and here in Rochester, Hispanic citizens, in general, are famous for bringing boom boxes to public parks to serenade everyone present. But, that's also a practice popular with guys with mullets and backwards Caterpillar hats who drive over-customized pickups with confederate stickers on the windows. We have a lot of that he Fake Southerners. PS. Doug, did I see your pretty face in a discussion of Nikon lenses? Yep. It was really a debate about whether such a lens would fit into this month's toy budget, versus finally buying a fly rod. The fly rod won. |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
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Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
hlink.net... Doug, I know that you are smart enough to check for cross-posting? I respond to the message and I don't care if it was originally cross posted. That's the responsibility of the message's originator. And, notice the correct use of the apostrophe, mosquito. |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
I'm all for it...since it will make the terrorists that much easier to find.
"Shoot the guy with the loudspeaker!" |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
John,
What kind of comment is this. " If you'd paid attention to your daddy, you wouldn't have been pregnant and would have had a much better time!" You're not worth reading, into the trash bin with you. Paul "John H" wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:45:19 -0500, Phaedrine wrote: In article , John H wrote: On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:13:31 -0500, Phaedrine wrote: In article , (Curtis CCR) wrote: I agree that if other Churches are allowed to ring bells for religious reasons (as opposed to just announcing that it's noon) then mosques should be allowed to have prayer calls. I guess I do not understand how you equate the two. If mosques are allowed loudspeakers, for instance, then perhaps churches should be allowed to use electronic augmentation for their bells as well? Is that what you are saying? (I don't understand why rec.boats got on this list!) Because someone where ever you are cross posted to this group. You don't have something against boats, do you? Definitely not! We are both sailors in this domicile. We have a hard enough time sticking to the topic, without mosques and minarets and stereo praying systems getting us confused. Trust me, putting up with b'asskisser is hard enough. John H LOL!! Well John, my apologies for contributing to disturbing your harmony. Maybe I can make up for the OT post...... On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! OB Boats: When we were a little younger, we once took a week to sail around all the little islands on Erie in a little chartered Morgan with aft and center cabins. I was pregnant at the time. One of those unexpected Lake Erie storms came up and just tossed us around like a plastic toy. After reefing the sails, we tried beating it in to Marblehead but the winds were so strong we were edging toward a massive breakwall of rocks. Alas the damn engine wouldn't start to help us out either. I was greener than Kermit the frog, standing in the cabin well watching sheet after sheet of rain beat the hell out of my husband who was thinking "My kingdom for a Cape Dory". But finally he got the engine started and made it in to shore without a mark. It was a great sail. :) Phae . If you'd paid attention to your daddy, you wouldn't have been pregnant and would have had a much better time! Harmony!? You haven't spent much time in rec.boats, have you? There is very little harmony gets tossed around here. I can't believe this thread has lasted as long as it has without a bunch of horrid name calling. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
John H wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:45:19 -0500, Phaedrine wrote: In article , John H wrote: On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:13:31 -0500, Phaedrine wrote: In article , (Curtis CCR) wrote: I agree that if other Churches are allowed to ring bells for religious reasons (as opposed to just announcing that it's noon) then mosques should be allowed to have prayer calls. I guess I do not understand how you equate the two. If mosques are allowed loudspeakers, for instance, then perhaps churches should be allowed to use electronic augmentation for their bells as well? Is that what you are saying? (I don't understand why rec.boats got on this list!) Because someone where ever you are cross posted to this group. You don't have something against boats, do you? Definitely not! We are both sailors in this domicile. We have a hard enough time sticking to the topic, without mosques and minarets and stereo praying systems getting us confused. Trust me, putting up with b'asskisser is hard enough. John H LOL!! Well John, my apologies for contributing to disturbing your harmony. Maybe I can make up for the OT post...... On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! OB Boats: When we were a little younger, we once took a week to sail around all the little islands on Erie in a little chartered Morgan with aft and center cabins. I was pregnant at the time. One of those unexpected Lake Erie storms came up and just tossed us around like a plastic toy. After reefing the sails, we tried beating it in to Marblehead but the winds were so strong we were edging toward a massive breakwall of rocks. Alas the damn engine wouldn't start to help us out either. I was greener than Kermit the frog, standing in the cabin well watching sheet after sheet of rain beat the hell out of my husband who was thinking "My kingdom for a Cape Dory". But finally he got the engine started and made it in to shore without a mark. It was a great sail. :) Phae . If you'd paid attention to your daddy, you wouldn't have been pregnant and would have had a much better time! John H What a pig! Did you ever stop to think that she may have WANTED a child? |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
John H wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:13:31 -0500, Phaedrine wrote: In article , (Curtis CCR) wrote: I agree that if other Churches are allowed to ring bells for religious reasons (as opposed to just announcing that it's noon) then mosques should be allowed to have prayer calls. I guess I do not understand how you equate the two. If mosques are allowed loudspeakers, for instance, then perhaps churches should be allowed to use electronic augmentation for their bells as well? Is that what you are saying? (I don't understand why rec.boats got on this list!) Because someone where ever you are cross posted to this group. You don't have something against boats, do you? We have a hard enough time sticking to the topic, without mosques and minarets and stereo praying systems getting us confused. Trust me, putting up with b'asskisser is hard enough. John H Shut up, you ignorant twit. You don't HAVE to "put up with me". It's your choice, so, I guess on the contrary, you LIKE "putting up with me". |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:
"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message hlink.net... In article , (Curtis CCR) wrote: I agree that if other Churches are allowed to ring bells for religious reasons (as opposed to just announcing that it's noon) then mosques should be allowed to have prayer calls. Watch the cross-posting into the Islam newsgroups or you might really see some OT posts in here along the lines of an rec.boats intifada. That said, what if Muslims took to going boating wearing their regal finery (robes, headgear and the like) and start riding around taking pictures and such? Maybe fishing under bridges and near industrial sites. There would be no laws against this but think of the soon to come ballyhoo and the restrictions on liberty that would be sure to follow. I'm sure not one single potential terrorist has ever thought of using a boat to deliver a bomb. But now that you've told them, all hell will break loose. I am sure that they are monitoring this newsgroup closely (especially since you crossposted into their islam group).... |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:
"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message thlink.net... Doug, I know that you are smart enough to check for cross-posting? I respond to the message and I don't care if it was originally cross posted. That's the responsibility of the message's originator. And, notice the correct use of the apostrophe, mosquito. "I'm sure not one single potential terrorist has ever thought of using a boat to deliver a bomb. But now that you've told (CROSSPOSTED) them, all hell will break loose." |
Michigan Muslims Want to Use Loudspeakers for Call to Prayer
"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
nk.net... In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message hlink.net... In article , (Curtis CCR) wrote: I agree that if other Churches are allowed to ring bells for religious reasons (as opposed to just announcing that it's noon) then mosques should be allowed to have prayer calls. Watch the cross-posting into the Islam newsgroups or you might really see some OT posts in here along the lines of an rec.boats intifada. That said, what if Muslims took to going boating wearing their regal finery (robes, headgear and the like) and start riding around taking pictures and such? Maybe fishing under bridges and near industrial sites. There would be no laws against this but think of the soon to come ballyhoo and the restrictions on liberty that would be sure to follow. I'm sure not one single potential terrorist has ever thought of using a boat to deliver a bomb. But now that you've told them, all hell will break loose. I am sure that they are monitoring this newsgroup closely (especially since you crossposted into their islam group).... Hang on....you actually think this is a new idea? You must be the guy who decided there should be security zones around ships, right? |
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