"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:43:00 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:39:16 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:41:19 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:07:08 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:Fxgic.13266$_L6.1028222@attbi_s53...
Nope, I do not believe in Anarchy, I believe in a society
governed
by
laws
to protect my family from people like you.

When the system protects people whose animals destroy property, is
that
not
anarchy?

Maybe they just feel that you're one of those perpetually
belligerent
A-holes who does nothing but complain about trivial matters, and
respond accordingly. Maybe they're waiting to catch you taking the
law
into your own hands so they can come and cart you off to a place
where
no one has to hear you complain again.

Trivial? Not to me, or anyone else who puts hundreds of hours worth
of
work
into a garden. Who are YOU to tell other people what's trivial? What
if
you
collected classic cars, spent hours restoring and waxing them, and my
cat
jumped on them constantly and scratched them? Would that be trivial
to
you?


No, not to me, but it probably would be for the cops, and that's the
whole point. What little "hobbies" you and I may have, are trivial
when put into perspective of the real problems in society.

Hey....now we're getting somewhere. What if my cat did what I mentioned,
the
cops were to busy or uninterested to help, the animal control guy was an
idiot, and when you spoke to me about the problem, I said "Go ****
yourself - it's just a few scratches". Assume this went on for a month
or
two. What would YOU do? Explore your dark side. We all have one. Be
honest
for once in your life, Dave. What would you REALLY do?


Couldn't resist jumping in here, 'cause this actually happened to me. The
car
was a brand new Saab. I trapped the cat and took it to the animal
shelter. Told
them the story. They wanted to know only the street the cat came from. I
never
saw the cat again. The owner must not have been concerned as she would
have only
had to call the animal shelter to get her cat back.


That's a FAR better solution than Doug's "vanishing" act.

Dave

Mine's just another version of the same thing. But hang on....something's
wrong here....the animal shelter stole someone's cat. That's OK with you?

and.....

What if your dog is hit by a car because you let if off your property
unsupervised. Would it bother you if the driver stopped for a moment, looked
in his mirror to see what he'd hit, saw that it was not a human and just
kept going?

The law would care, it is a hit and run even if it is a dog.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:43:00 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:39:16 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:41:19 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:07:08 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:Fxgic.13266$_L6.1028222@attbi_s53...
Nope, I do not believe in Anarchy, I believe in a society
governed
by
laws
to protect my family from people like you.

When the system protects people whose animals destroy property,
is
that
not
anarchy?

Maybe they just feel that you're one of those perpetually
belligerent
A-holes who does nothing but complain about trivial matters, and
respond accordingly. Maybe they're waiting to catch you taking
the
law
into your own hands so they can come and cart you off to a place
where
no one has to hear you complain again.

Trivial? Not to me, or anyone else who puts hundreds of hours worth
of
work
into a garden. Who are YOU to tell other people what's trivial?
What
if
you
collected classic cars, spent hours restoring and waxing them, and
my
cat
jumped on them constantly and scratched them? Would that be trivial
to
you?


No, not to me, but it probably would be for the cops, and that's the
whole point. What little "hobbies" you and I may have, are trivial
when put into perspective of the real problems in society.

Hey....now we're getting somewhere. What if my cat did what I
mentioned,
the
cops were to busy or uninterested to help, the animal control guy was
an
idiot, and when you spoke to me about the problem, I said "Go ****
yourself - it's just a few scratches". Assume this went on for a month
or
two. What would YOU do? Explore your dark side. We all have one. Be
honest
for once in your life, Dave. What would you REALLY do?


Couldn't resist jumping in here, 'cause this actually happened to me.
The
car
was a brand new Saab. I trapped the cat and took it to the animal
shelter. Told
them the story. They wanted to know only the street the cat came from.
I
never
saw the cat again. The owner must not have been concerned as she would
have only
had to call the animal shelter to get her cat back.


That's a FAR better solution than Doug's "vanishing" act.

Dave

Mine's just another version of the same thing. But hang on....something's
wrong here....the animal shelter stole someone's cat. That's OK with you?

and.....

What if your dog is hit by a car because you let if off your property
unsupervised. Would it bother you if the driver stopped for a moment,
looked
in his mirror to see what he'd hit, saw that it was not a human and just
kept going?

Frankly, I'm not sure, but that wasn't the point.

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:M3Tjc.6998$lz5.841086@attbi_s53...
The law would care, it is a hit and run even if it is a dog.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:43:00 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:39:16 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:41:19 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:07:08 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:Fxgic.13266$_L6.1028222@attbi_s53...
Nope, I do not believe in Anarchy, I believe in a society
governed
by
laws
to protect my family from people like you.

When the system protects people whose animals destroy
property,
is
that
not
anarchy?

Maybe they just feel that you're one of those perpetually
belligerent
A-holes who does nothing but complain about trivial matters,
and
respond accordingly. Maybe they're waiting to catch you taking
the
law
into your own hands so they can come and cart you off to a
place
where
no one has to hear you complain again.

Trivial? Not to me, or anyone else who puts hundreds of hours
worth
of
work
into a garden. Who are YOU to tell other people what's trivial?
What
if
you
collected classic cars, spent hours restoring and waxing them,
and
my
cat
jumped on them constantly and scratched them? Would that be
trivial
to
you?


No, not to me, but it probably would be for the cops, and that's
the
whole point. What little "hobbies" you and I may have, are trivial
when put into perspective of the real problems in society.

Hey....now we're getting somewhere. What if my cat did what I
mentioned,
the
cops were to busy or uninterested to help, the animal control guy
was
an
idiot, and when you spoke to me about the problem, I said "Go ****
yourself - it's just a few scratches". Assume this went on for a
month
or
two. What would YOU do? Explore your dark side. We all have one. Be
honest
for once in your life, Dave. What would you REALLY do?


Couldn't resist jumping in here, 'cause this actually happened to me.
The
car
was a brand new Saab. I trapped the cat and took it to the animal
shelter. Told
them the story. They wanted to know only the street the cat came
from.
I
never
saw the cat again. The owner must not have been concerned as she
would
have only
had to call the animal shelter to get her cat back.


That's a FAR better solution than Doug's "vanishing" act.

Dave

Mine's just another version of the same thing. But hang
on....something's
wrong here....the animal shelter stole someone's cat. That's OK with
you?

and.....

What if your dog is hit by a car because you let if off your property
unsupervised. Would it bother you if the driver stopped for a moment,
looked
in his mirror to see what he'd hit, saw that it was not a human and just
kept going?

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:58:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Frankly, I'm not sure, but that wasn't the point.


Then what is?

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:58:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Frankly, I'm not sure, but that wasn't the point.


Then what is?

Dave

A previous message mentioned a vanishing cat. That seemed OK with you. So,
what difference does it make HOW a pet vanishes, whether it's whisked away
by animal control to place where it will likely be euthanized eventually, or
if it's flattened by a car? Gone is gone.

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:00:50 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:58:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Frankly, I'm not sure, but that wasn't the point.


Then what is?

Dave

A previous message mentioned a vanishing cat. That seemed OK with you. So,
what difference does it make HOW a pet vanishes, whether it's whisked away
by animal control to place where it will likely be euthanized eventually, or
if it's flattened by a car? Gone is gone.


The difference is intent, and whether or not the action was sanctioned
by the law.


Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:00:50 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:58:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Frankly, I'm not sure, but that wasn't the point.


Then what is?

Dave

A previous message mentioned a vanishing cat. That seemed OK with you.
So,
what difference does it make HOW a pet vanishes, whether it's whisked
away
by animal control to place where it will likely be euthanized eventually,
or
if it's flattened by a car? Gone is gone.


The difference is intent, and whether or not the action was sanctioned
by the law.


Dave

That would not change how the family felt about losing the pet. Gone is
gone.

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:00:50 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:58:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Frankly, I'm not sure, but that wasn't the point.


Then what is?

Dave

A previous message mentioned a vanishing cat. That seemed OK with you.
So,
what difference does it make HOW a pet vanishes, whether it's whisked
away
by animal control to place where it will likely be euthanized eventually,
or
if it's flattened by a car? Gone is gone.


The difference is intent,

You're full of ****, socialist.

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:24:25 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

That's a FAR better solution than Doug's "vanishing" act.



Mine's just another version of the same thing.

No it's not. An animal control person is acting within the boundaries
of the law. You are not. And they merely remove the animal. You kill
it.


But hang on....something's
wrong here....the animal shelter stole someone's cat. That's OK with you?

It's not considered theft. Why do you have so much trouble
differentiating these differences?

......

What if your dog is hit by a car because you let if off your property
unsupervised. Would it bother you if the driver stopped for a moment, looked
in his mirror to see what he'd hit, saw that it was not a human and just
kept going?

What does this have to do with the original topic? Why do you feel
the need to go off on slightly related, but not relevant, tangents to
deflect from that which makes you uncomfortable?

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:24:25 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

That's a FAR better solution than Doug's "vanishing" act.



Mine's just another version of the same thing.

No it's not. An animal control person is acting within the boundaries
of the law. You are not. And they merely remove the animal. You kill
it.

Quite a few animals picked up by animal control end up euthanized, Dave.
Call your local dog catcher and ask. Yes, there are animal welfare groups
which try and rescue as many as they can, but the fact is that if your pet's
taken away due to negligence on your part, you should assume it'll be worm
food soon. The law does not define how dead your pet will be. Dead is dead.


But hang on....something's
wrong here....the animal shelter stole someone's cat. That's OK with you?

It's not considered theft. Why do you have so much trouble
differentiating these differences?

Cat scratches car. Cat is taken by animal control. Cat is gone.
Dog damages private property. Dog is taken by landowner. Dog is gone.
Same thing. Pet is gone.


What if your dog is hit by a car because you let if off your property
unsupervised. Would it bother you if the driver stopped for a moment,
looked
in his mirror to see what he'd hit, saw that it was not a human and just
kept going?

What does this have to do with the original topic? Why do you feel
the need to go off on slightly related, but not relevant, tangents to
deflect from that which makes you uncomfortable?

I dont' do it to deflect. I do it in a pointless attempt to make you think,
or sometimes to befuddle you because it's entertaining.