On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:37:19 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:39:44 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:19:38 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:sUcic.11851$w96.1132701@attbi_s54...
Don,

Do you believe you have the right to do whatever you please?

Everyone has the right to do as they please, as long as they
understand
and
accept the consequences.

Because there are certain laws which address specific consequences to
certain unlawful activities, does not mean that you have a right to
"take your chances" and do as you please. Any moral person should
understand that.


Dave

You only "take your chances" if you're unfamiliar with the law. If I
shoplift $50 worth of razor blades from a grocery store, I understand
that
I've instantly given up my right to complain if I'm arrested. That's
simple.
The act is immoral. The understanding of the law is irrelevant.

So from this, can I then infer that you are of the "I'm only guilty if
I'm caught" mindset?

Dave

What??? No - I'm guilty the moment the razor blades go into my pocket.


Ok then. The next question I have is, do you refrain from stealing
those $50 worth of razor blades because you know it's morally wrong,
or because you feel that you have a good chance of getting caught?

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:37:19 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:39:44 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:19:38 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:sUcic.11851$w96.1132701@attbi_s54...
Don,

Do you believe you have the right to do whatever you please?

Everyone has the right to do as they please, as long as they
understand
and
accept the consequences.

Because there are certain laws which address specific consequences
to
certain unlawful activities, does not mean that you have a right to
"take your chances" and do as you please. Any moral person should
understand that.


Dave

You only "take your chances" if you're unfamiliar with the law. If I
shoplift $50 worth of razor blades from a grocery store, I understand
that
I've instantly given up my right to complain if I'm arrested. That's
simple.
The act is immoral. The understanding of the law is irrelevant.

So from this, can I then infer that you are of the "I'm only guilty if
I'm caught" mindset?

Dave

What??? No - I'm guilty the moment the razor blades go into my pocket.


Ok then. The next question I have is, do you refrain from stealing
those $50 worth of razor blades because you know it's morally wrong,
or because you feel that you have a good chance of getting caught?

Dave

Choice A, Dave. If I shop in a store, it's because I like the place. The
owner or company has created a place that serves me well. They deserve to
prosper.
Wait! Let me head off your next question. No, I do not steal from places I
do NOT like.

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:02:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

What??? No - I'm guilty the moment the razor blades go into my pocket.


Ok then. The next question I have is, do you refrain from stealing
those $50 worth of razor blades because you know it's morally wrong,
or because you feel that you have a good chance of getting caught?

Dave

Choice A, Dave. If I shop in a store, it's because I like the place. The
owner or company has created a place that serves me well. They deserve to
prosper.

Well, that is an answer. Just not the answer to the question which I
asked. I didn't ask where you shop and why. I asked you whether you
refrain from stealing because you believe, through an inner sense of
morality, that it's the "right" thing to do, or whether you do so
because you don't want to take the chance of getting caught and being
forced to atone for your crime?


Wait! Let me head off your next question. No, I do not steal from places I
do NOT like.

Somehow I don't think you will give me a straight answer to my first
question. You are deliberately vague and non committal. Not unlike a
certain democratic presidential wannabee.

Dave

Dave Hall wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:02:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


What??? No - I'm guilty the moment the razor blades go into my pocket.


Ok then. The next question I have is, do you refrain from stealing
those $50 worth of razor blades because you know it's morally wrong,
or because you feel that you have a good chance of getting caught?

Dave

Choice A, Dave. If I shop in a store, it's because I like the place. The
owner or company has created a place that serves me well. They deserve to
prosper.


Well, that is an answer. Just not the answer to the question which I
asked. I didn't ask where you shop and why. I asked you whether you
refrain from stealing because you believe, through an inner sense of
morality, that it's the "right" thing to do, or whether you do so
because you don't want to take the chance of getting caught and being
forced to atone for your crime?



Wait! Let me head off your next question. No, I do not steal from places I
do NOT like.


Somehow I don't think you will give me a straight answer to my first
question. You are deliberately vague and non committal. Not unlike a
certain democratic presidential wannabee.

Dave


Get off your high horse, Dave. Your secret is out...DON has exposed you
as ... a socialist!

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Dave Hall wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:02:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


What??? No - I'm guilty the moment the razor blades go into my pocket.


Ok then. The next question I have is, do you refrain from stealing
those $50 worth of razor blades because you know it's morally wrong,
or because you feel that you have a good chance of getting caught?

Dave

Choice A, Dave. If I shop in a store, it's because I like the place. The
owner or company has created a place that serves me well. They deserve
to
prosper.


Well, that is an answer. Just not the answer to the question which I
asked. I didn't ask where you shop and why. I asked you whether you
refrain from stealing because you believe, through an inner sense of
morality, that it's the "right" thing to do, or whether you do so
because you don't want to take the chance of getting caught and being
forced to atone for your crime?



Wait! Let me head off your next question. No, I do not steal from places
I
do NOT like.


Somehow I don't think you will give me a straight answer to my first
question. You are deliberately vague and non committal. Not unlike a
certain democratic presidential wannabee.

Dave


Get off your high horse, Dave. Your secret is out...DON has exposed you
as ... a socialist!

He reeks of socialism.
He cowers from responsibility.
He hates individuals.
He is terrified that someone will kill him because of his cowardice.
This is why he broadcasts false bravado in usenet.
He is to be pitied and ridiculed.

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 07:44:37 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:02:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


What??? No - I'm guilty the moment the razor blades go into my pocket.


Ok then. The next question I have is, do you refrain from stealing
those $50 worth of razor blades because you know it's morally wrong,
or because you feel that you have a good chance of getting caught?

Dave

Choice A, Dave. If I shop in a store, it's because I like the place. The
owner or company has created a place that serves me well. They deserve to
prosper.


Well, that is an answer. Just not the answer to the question which I
asked. I didn't ask where you shop and why. I asked you whether you
refrain from stealing because you believe, through an inner sense of
morality, that it's the "right" thing to do, or whether you do so
because you don't want to take the chance of getting caught and being
forced to atone for your crime?



Wait! Let me head off your next question. No, I do not steal from places I
do NOT like.


Somehow I don't think you will give me a straight answer to my first
question. You are deliberately vague and non committal. Not unlike a
certain democratic presidential wannabee.

Dave


Get off your high horse, Dave. Your secret is out...DON has exposed you
as ... a socialist!


Does this mean that I can come to the next meeting with you Harry?

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 07:44:37 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:02:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


What??? No - I'm guilty the moment the razor blades go into my
pocket.


Ok then. The next question I have is, do you refrain from stealing
those $50 worth of razor blades because you know it's morally wrong,
or because you feel that you have a good chance of getting caught?

Dave

Choice A, Dave. If I shop in a store, it's because I like the place.
The
owner or company has created a place that serves me well. They deserve
to
prosper.


Well, that is an answer. Just not the answer to the question which I
asked. I didn't ask where you shop and why. I asked you whether you
refrain from stealing because you believe, through an inner sense of
morality, that it's the "right" thing to do, or whether you do so
because you don't want to take the chance of getting caught and being
forced to atone for your crime?



Wait! Let me head off your next question. No, I do not steal from
places I
do NOT like.


Somehow I don't think you will give me a straight answer to my first
question. You are deliberately vague and non committal. Not unlike a
certain democratic presidential wannabee.

Dave


Get off your high horse, Dave. Your secret is out...DON has exposed you
as ... a socialist!


Does this mean that I can come to the next meeting with you Harry?

It means you may get gang raped and then killed, ****tard.

"Don" wrote in message
...


It means you may get gang raped and then killed, ****tard.


Don,
Tell us what you really think.

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:02:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

What??? No - I'm guilty the moment the razor blades go into my pocket.


Ok then. The next question I have is, do you refrain from stealing
those $50 worth of razor blades because you know it's morally wrong,
or because you feel that you have a good chance of getting caught?

Dave

Choice A, Dave. If I shop in a store, it's because I like the place. The
owner or company has created a place that serves me well. They deserve to
prosper.

Well, that is an answer. Just not the answer to the question which I
asked. I didn't ask where you shop and why. I asked you whether you
refrain from stealing because you believe, through an inner sense of
morality, that it's the "right" thing to do, or whether you do so
because you don't want to take the chance of getting caught and being
forced to atone for your crime?


Wait! Let me head off your next question. No, I do not steal from places
I
do NOT like.

Somehow I don't think you will give me a straight answer to my first
question. You are deliberately vague and non committal. Not unlike a
certain democratic presidential wannabee.

Dave

Knucklehead. I most certainly DID answer your question. But, sometimes I use
answers which contain more than one word, which I know befuddles you. If you
need me to take it a step further, here goes: There was a point in my life
when everything fell apart financially and I didn't want to go to my parents
for various reasons. Ever heard of washing dishes for food? I could've
easily shoplifted in a supermarket. I washed dishes for food in three
restaurants.

If that doesn't answer your question, print this response and read it to one
of your children. They'll explain it to you.

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:58:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:02:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

What??? No - I'm guilty the moment the razor blades go into my pocket.


Ok then. The next question I have is, do you refrain from stealing
those $50 worth of razor blades because you know it's morally wrong,
or because you feel that you have a good chance of getting caught?

Dave

Choice A, Dave. If I shop in a store, it's because I like the place. The
owner or company has created a place that serves me well. They deserve to
prosper.

Well, that is an answer. Just not the answer to the question which I
asked. I didn't ask where you shop and why. I asked you whether you
refrain from stealing because you believe, through an inner sense of
morality, that it's the "right" thing to do, or whether you do so
because you don't want to take the chance of getting caught and being
forced to atone for your crime?


Wait! Let me head off your next question. No, I do not steal from places
I
do NOT like.

Somehow I don't think you will give me a straight answer to my first
question. You are deliberately vague and non committal. Not unlike a
certain democratic presidential wannabee.

Dave

Knucklehead. I most certainly DID answer your question.

No, I asked you if you didn't shoplift due to an inner conscious
morality, or through a fear of the consequences. The answer you gave
me elaborated on shopping in a store because you like the place, and
how they deserve to prosper. That was NOT what I asked. You are
deliberately evasive. You would make a great politician. They do it
all the time.

But, sometimes I use
answers which contain more than one word, which I know befuddles you.

What befuddles me, are answers to questions which I did not ask, and
deflection tactics designed to avoid direct answers to uncomfortable
questions. The reasons for these tactics are enlightening in their own
right.


If you
need me to take it a step further, here goes: There was a point in my life
when everything fell apart financially and I didn't want to go to my parents
for various reasons.

Pride?

Ever heard of washing dishes for food? I could've
easily shoplifted in a supermarket.

And did you? And if not, why not?


I washed dishes for food in three
restaurants.

I would 've probably gotten a job at Radio Shack. But I admire those
who take responsibility and do what they need to do to support their
families. I owe you that much.


Dave