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When would you board someone else's boat??
"Dave Hall" wrote in message ... On Tue, 04 May 2004 16:39:20 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 04 May 2004 13:10:15 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message .. . There is NO law of the books that I have found yet, which gives anyone the right to shoot a neighbor's pet because they took a dump on their lawn. There are thousands of townships in this country. What percentage of their laws have you researched? It only takes one to prove me wrong. And, unless it happens to be in the town where you live, it isn't applicable. I'm still waiting. Dave "There is NO law of the books that I have found yet...." You mentioned "books". Which have you read? It's a metaphor Doug. Surely you know what they are. Dave OK. Let's fix what you said. "There is NO law recorded anywhere that I have found yet...." Run with that. |
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When would you board someone else's boat??
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
... Otherwise, We're talking about a half hour or one hour lightweight entertainment program, Dave. Tell me about the most complex case you've ever seen on a courtroom (production) The O.J. Simpson trial? Pay attention. I said "complex". |
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When would you board someone else's boat??
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
... On Tue, 04 May 2004 17:36:55 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 04 May 2004 13:17:45 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message .. . An animal that destroys property can, under many circustances, be killed by the property owner. Those "circumstances" do not include taking a dump on the yard. If said dump is taken in the food garden, the "circumstances" have most certainly been met, in places where the law is written that way. Some people apply similar amounts of "dung" as natural fertilizer. What's the difference? Dave This coming September, when I have a house again, I will visit the place where the city cops keep their horses and I'll load the back of the pickup with horse manure. I'll put it in the garden to prepare it for the following spring. That's MY choice. Fouling a $150.00 pair of dress shoes with dog crap is NOT my choice. So you routinely garden while wearing $150 dress shoes? And does the "horse dung" not similarly foul them? Dave 1) No, dummy. But if I'm on the way to my car before going to work, it's my right, on my property to walk over to the flowers and smell them without having to change my shoes. Get it? 2) No, dummy. One does not spread horse manure on 100% of the property. One composts it or digs it into the soil within the vegetable garden. The gardener knows where it is and can avoid it if necessary, unlike dog ****, which is random. |
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When would you board someone else's boat??
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
... Others think insects are much more valuable than dogs. I'll bet I can count those people on the fingers of my left hand. What??? Gardeners and entymologists find insects valuable. Are you saying there are less than 5 such people on this planet? I don't care how you *feel* about, how it *should* be, how irresponsible your neighbor is, or how inept your animal control and police personnel are. That fact is, that if you were my neighbor and you killed my dog, you would be standing before a judge and most likely found liable for damages, and possibly subject to animal cruelty charges. OK. I can deal with that. Here's something to think about. Statement #1, below, is open to a wide range of interpretation. You may want to suggest some possible ones. But, tell me how many ways you can interpret #2. 1) "Things are going very badly at work lately". 2) "I have to leave for work in five minutes, but first, I want to see if the cucumber flowers have opened since I looked at them last night". Relevance? Dave Do the exercise and then I'll let you know what the relevance is. Hopefully, DSK won't give away the answers first. |
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When would you board someone else's boat??
Doug Kanter wrote:
Do the exercise and then I'll let you know what the relevance is. Hopefully, DSK won't give away the answers first. Oh, sorry, did I give away any answers? Didn't mean to. Would it be too revealing if I merely commented that it's likely Dave H. avoids exercise as assiduously as he avoids learning facts? D.S. "My Name Is Doug, Too" King |
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When would you board someone else's boat??
"DSK" wrote in message . .. Doug Kanter wrote: Do the exercise and then I'll let you know what the relevance is. Hopefully, DSK won't give away the answers first. Oh, sorry, did I give away any answers? Didn't mean to. Would it be too revealing if I merely commented that it's likely Dave H. avoids exercise as assiduously as he avoids learning facts? D.S. "My Name Is Doug, Too" King I know, but I'm afraid that addressing you by your first name will REALLY confuse the issue....two of us....know what I mean? Dave's got enough problems as it is. |
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When would you board someone else's boat??
On Wed, 05 May 2004 14:00:21 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message .. . Otherwise, We're talking about a half hour or one hour lightweight entertainment program, Dave. Tell me about the most complex case you've ever seen on a courtroom (production) The O.J. Simpson trial? Pay attention. I said "complex". And the O.J. case wasn't? I'd say considering the length of time that it took and the general grand standing done by the defense, that the case was made way more "complex" than it needed to be. Dave |
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When would you board someone else's boat??
On Wed, 05 May 2004 14:05:43 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message .. . Others think insects are much more valuable than dogs. I'll bet I can count those people on the fingers of my left hand. What??? Gardeners and entymologists find insects valuable. Are you saying there are less than 5 such people on this planet? There are less than 5 of them in any given neighborhood. I don't care how you *feel* about, how it *should* be, how irresponsible your neighbor is, or how inept your animal control and police personnel are. That fact is, that if you were my neighbor and you killed my dog, you would be standing before a judge and most likely found liable for damages, and possibly subject to animal cruelty charges. OK. I can deal with that. Here's something to think about. Statement #1, below, is open to a wide range of interpretation. You may want to suggest some possible ones. But, tell me how many ways you can interpret #2. 1) "Things are going very badly at work lately". 2) "I have to leave for work in five minutes, but first, I want to see if the cucumber flowers have opened since I looked at them last night". Relevance? Dave Do the exercise and then I'll let you know what the relevance is. Hopefully, DSK won't give away the answers first. I'm not playing your games any more Doug. They're nothing more than deflection tactics. You STILL cannot make the case that you are legally authorized to kill someone's dog who craps on your grass. That is the ONLY point that needs to be made in this "discussion". Dave |
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When would you board someone else's boat??
On Wed, 05 May 2004 14:20:30 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "DSK" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: Do the exercise and then I'll let you know what the relevance is. Hopefully, DSK won't give away the answers first. Oh, sorry, did I give away any answers? Didn't mean to. Would it be too revealing if I merely commented that it's likely Dave H. avoids exercise as assiduously as he avoids learning facts? D.S. "My Name Is Doug, Too" King I know, but I'm afraid that addressing you by your first name will REALLY confuse the issue....two of us....know what I mean? Dave's got enough problems as it is. You two remind me of the Daryll brothers, from that TV sitcom, a few years back. "Hi I'm Daryll, and this is my other brother Daryll. Dave |
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When would you board someone else's boat??
On Wed, 05 May 2004 08:20:58 -0400, DSK wrote:
Dave Hall wrote: That proof of nothing. It's simply your differing opinion. Oh? It's my "differing opinio" that you denied making a statement which was then proven that you did indeed make? I never made the statement in the extreme context that you presented it. .. I believe that wakes and wave action are an integral part of boating. Every boater needs to be aware of and responsible to minimize the impact of such wakes during their normal course of boating. Ah, good. So in other words, you refrain from making wakes close to other boats & property that might be damaged? That is correct. ... You, on the other hand, seem to have the wild notion that every boater should be able to anticipate the course and intention of every other boat on the waterway, and should make sure that they are not producing any wake which may potentially affect another boat Please quote my statement to that effect. All I said was that you area responsible for your wake, and if your wake causes damage or injury then *you* are liable for it. That's it right there. As long as you make the blanket statement that "you are responsible for your wake" without any limits, then it allows for absurd and unreasonable conditions such as what I have illustrated. That is why I have a problem with absolutes. Life is conditional. So the rules which govern us also need to be as well. If someone blasts through a no wake harbor and causes damage, that's one thing. If someone is in the middle of the bay, and gets tossed from the wake from a 65' aft cabin cruiser If it's because that 65' cruiser, with the whole Bay to run in, passes very close to another boat while making a large wake, then they are responsible, and they should be held liable. Open water is not a license to run down others, nor is it a proxy to run them under with your wake. I guess I really need to pin down each and every detail in order to make my point, otherwise you will take whatever detail that isn't nailed down specifically, and interpret it to the most extreme sense that fits your viewpoint. My whole reason for stating "The middle of the bay" was to illustrate the large distances that can be involved. Had I meant to paint the picture of two boats crossing 100' apart, I wouldn't have placed them "in the middle of the bay". You know as well as I do that wakes can travel a great distance. If there is a half mile or more distance between the two boats, I can hardly hold the operator of the large boat liable for his wake. He can't be expected to know the situation of every other boat within the distance his wake can travel to, and in the time that it takes for it to traverse a body of water. I frequently boat is waters that see large ship traffic. They are under speed restriction in certain parts of the bay, but not in others. The Coast Guard approved nav charts actually warn of the presence of these ships and advise recreational boats to watch for wakes "in excess of five feet". One such warning is stated in the approach to Baltimore Harbor. It's clear that these warnings are intended to give a "heads up" to the responsibility that recreational boaters assume when they operate in these areas to avoid mishaps. Dave |
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