"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Don" wrote in message
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Doug,
You don't have to go defensive over erroneous claims.
Henry has no more say over your property than you do over his.
Just smear his nose in his own **** and move on.



I'm simply helping him understand laws he is 100% unfamiliar with. The
same
laws I've become 100% familiar with in order to enjoy the simple
pleasure
of
a vegetable garden in the midst of a few neighbors who don't care.

sigh
It's not your job to educate morons, though you may choose to do so for
hobby.
The *law* has nothing to do with it.
We're talking about *morality* here.
If Blackmoore chooses to act immorally and infringe on your *natural*
rights, you just plug him and turn him into fertilizer.
There are way too many Blackmoores running loose anyway.



Morality, yes. But, in some cases, the law reflects basic moral issues
which
continue to be important to people.

Associating written laws with morality does you a disservice.
There is no connection.

Henry has apparently created nothing
worth preserving, therefore he is having extreme difficulty grasping this
issue. Fortunately, the courts do NOT share this handicap. Henry should
invite his lawyer to dinner and request an education. Better yet, he
should
head to his town/city hall and spend an afternoon browsing through his
local
laws. It'll be a real eye opener.

"Don" wrote in message
...


Morality, yes. But, in some cases, the law reflects basic moral issues
which
continue to be important to people.

Associating written laws with morality does you a disservice.
There is no connection.

Some laws exist to guide the perpetually stupid. Otherwise, such people
could not figure out, for instance, that it's not good to make outrageous
noise at 3:00 AM when your neighbors are trying to sleep.

"John Smith" wrote
I can't believe that two people in this small group, would advocate
killing
a defense animal due to their neighbors neglect.

Yours and Don's statements say more about who you are, than anything I or
anyone else could say.

I have 2 beautiful female spaniels under my desk right now that I saved from
the pound 4 years ago, and we have 7 cats lounging by the pool in their own
private screened in porch.
I have saved another 11 dogs and 2 cats in the past year since we moved to
our new rural home.
Every year on June 20th, the anniversary of my first dogs death, I donate
100 pounds of dog food and 100 pounds of cat food to the local animal
control and then I spend the rest of the day there talking to and petting
hundreds of dogs and cats, rabbits, etc.
You are so far off base it is laughable.

This is twice now that you've accused me of wanting to harm a dog.
Why are you doing this when you know it's a goddamn lie?

"Don" wrote in message
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"John Smith" wrote
I can't believe that two people in this small group, would advocate
killing
a defense animal due to their neighbors neglect.

Yours and Don's statements say more about who you are, than anything I
or
anyone else could say.

I have 2 beautiful female spaniels under my desk right now that I saved
from
the pound 4 years ago, and we have 7 cats lounging by the pool in their
own
private screened in porch.
I have saved another 11 dogs and 2 cats in the past year since we moved to
our new rural home.
Every year on June 20th, the anniversary of my first dogs death, I donate
100 pounds of dog food and 100 pounds of cat food to the local animal
control and then I spend the rest of the day there talking to and petting
hundreds of dogs and cats, rabbits, etc.
You are so far off base it is laughable.

This is twice now that you've accused me of wanting to harm a dog.
Why are you doing this when you know it's a goddamn lie?



Don, this newsgroup is home to a few binary thinkers. Be thankful they never
got it in their minds to become judges.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"John Smith" wrote in message
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I have no idea if it is legal to shot a dog because he comes into your
garden, but I know I could never kill a dog for that reason. If a dog
was
running free and crapping in my garden I would call animal control and
have
the dog picked up. If the neighbor was being unreasonable and was not
honoring my request to keep his animal off of my property, I would file
a
suit with small claims court.

I can't believe that two people in this small group, would advocate
killing
a defense animal due to their neighbors neglect.

Yours and Don's statements say more about who you are, than anything I
or
anyone else could say.

Unlike Henry, you sound like a guy who has the mental capacity to mull
over
a hypothetical situation. In fact, this is based on reality. Here goes:

1) The animal control person fails to do his job after 15 phonecalls. The
excuses are absurd.

2) The neighbor promises to improve the situation, but does absolutely
nothing.

3) You go to court and are told that it's not a small claims issue.

4) It's the middle of May, and you've put 200 hours of work into the
vegetable garden so far. It's literally being destroyed by a dog which
digs
there.

Now what?

Two years ago when we lived in the more urban part of the city, while
walking my 2 leashed (leashes are required here) spaniels at 10 pm, we were
viciously attacked by full grown Rottweilers and German Shepherds THREE
times. All three times I kicked the hell out of the attackers, while pulling
my 2 leashed dogs behind me. During the last attack I killed the German
Shepherd with about 5 good kicks to the ribs and head. After the first
attack I called the Animal Control and was told there is nothing they can do
after 5 pm. I then called the police and they told me that there was nothing
they could do and that I should get a gun and a permit and shoot the
attackers. I then asked if it was illegal to discharge a firearm in the city
limits and they told me it was. I then asked what the penalty was for
shooting a dog within the city limits and they told me that I would be
charged with a felony and my gun would be confiscated. Welcome to the new
Russia.

"John Smith" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
news:XL8ic.2312
Unlike Henry, you sound like a guy who has the mental capacity to mull
over
a hypothetical situation. In fact, this is based on reality. Here goes:

1) The animal control person fails to do his job after 15 phonecalls.
The
excuses are absurd.

2) The neighbor promises to improve the situation, but does absolutely
nothing.

3) You go to court and are told that it's not a small claims issue.

4) It's the middle of May, and you've put 200 hours of work into the
vegetable garden so far. It's literally being destroyed by a dog which
digs
there.

Now what?



At this point I probably would pick up the dog's **** and place it on the
hood of his car.

That's against the law, isn't it?
Are you now advocating ignoring laws?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"John Smith" wrote in message
news:a59ic.10918$aQ6.877797@attbi_s51...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
news:XL8ic.2312
Unlike Henry, you sound like a guy who has the mental capacity to mull
over
a hypothetical situation. In fact, this is based on reality. Here
goes:

1) The animal control person fails to do his job after 15 phonecalls.
The
excuses are absurd.

2) The neighbor promises to improve the situation, but does absolutely
nothing.

3) You go to court and are told that it's not a small claims issue.

4) It's the middle of May, and you've put 200 hours of work into the
vegetable garden so far. It's literally being destroyed by a dog which
digs
there.

Now what?



At this point I probably would pick up the dog's **** and place it on
the
hood of his car.

Ah ha! That could potentially be interpreted as a vigilante tactic. Very
good! But, I'd suggest that you lift a windshield wiper, drop the **** on
the glass, and let the wiper drop into the ****. Much more effective.

Just drop a handful of mothballs in the owners gas tank.

"DSK" wrote
But then my attitude is shaped by always having had a dog, and
always having cared for & trained them properly, and been rewarded by
always having *good* dogs.

There are no bad dogs, just bad owners.

"Don" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Smith" wrote in message
news:nU7ic.10331$IW1.713713@attbi_s52...
I have no idea if it is legal to shot a dog because he comes into your
garden, but I know I could never kill a dog for that reason. If a dog
was
running free and crapping in my garden I would call animal control and
have
the dog picked up. If the neighbor was being unreasonable and was not
honoring my request to keep his animal off of my property, I would
file
a
suit with small claims court.

I can't believe that two people in this small group, would advocate
killing
a defense animal due to their neighbors neglect.

Yours and Don's statements say more about who you are, than anything I
or
anyone else could say.

Unlike Henry, you sound like a guy who has the mental capacity to mull
over
a hypothetical situation. In fact, this is based on reality. Here goes:

1) The animal control person fails to do his job after 15 phonecalls.
The
excuses are absurd.

2) The neighbor promises to improve the situation, but does absolutely
nothing.

3) You go to court and are told that it's not a small claims issue.

4) It's the middle of May, and you've put 200 hours of work into the
vegetable garden so far. It's literally being destroyed by a dog which
digs
there.

Now what?

Two years ago when we lived in the more urban part of the city, while
walking my 2 leashed (leashes are required here) spaniels at 10 pm, we
were
viciously attacked by full grown Rottweilers and German Shepherds THREE
times. All three times I kicked the hell out of the attackers, while
pulling
my 2 leashed dogs behind me. During the last attack I killed the German
Shepherd with about 5 good kicks to the ribs and head. After the first
attack I called the Animal Control and was told there is nothing they can
do
after 5 pm. I then called the police and they told me that there was
nothing
they could do and that I should get a gun and a permit and shoot the
attackers. I then asked if it was illegal to discharge a firearm in the
city
limits and they told me it was. I then asked what the penalty was for
shooting a dog within the city limits and they told me that I would be
charged with a felony and my gun would be confiscated. Welcome to the new
Russia.



Step 1: Pepper spray
Step 2: Break the dog's neck
Step 3: Drop dog into nearest trash can, being sure to remove its tags, if
any, and drop them into the nearest storm drain.
Step 4: Go home and celebrate with a beer.

There's something wrong with this boy's circuit board.
If you leave me the hell alone, John, you can expect the same in return.
If you **** with me, you will get ****ed over.
Is that so hard to understand?

And you can shove your *anger managment* right up your ass, anger has
nothing to do with it, common sense does....which you seem to be lacking.


"John Smith" wrote in message
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I was wondering if Doug was as out of control as you were. I completely
agree that you should treat your neighbor as you would like to be treated.
What you fail to realize is you do not have the right to break the law, by
damaging or taking your neighbors property, in retaliation to his breaking
the law. While many people in here disagree, you are the only person in
rec.boats who scares me. I can not believe anyone would say "If you abuse
that one simple rule (the Golden Rule), you must pay a severe
consequence".

I think you might benefit from some anger management counseling.

"Don" wrote in message
...
What the **** is it with you John?
What the hell difference does it make if Doug agrees with me?
Don't you have a brain of your own?
Don't you have a backbone?
We're not talking rocket surgery here, just very simple basics.
Most kids are taught these things at about age 5, how old are you?
Here, I'll spell it out for you:
*Treat other people as you want to be treated.*
There, is that simple enough?
If you abuse that one simple rule of humanity you may pay a severe
consequence.
Don't let your dog **** in my yard, don't paintball my house, don't
fondle
my daughter, etc.
In turn I won't do those things to you.
Does any of this make sense to you?



"John Smith" wrote in message
news:Fw0ic.5465$cF6.293888@attbi_s04...
Doug,

So you do agree with Don that a person who allows a dog to crap on
your
lawn, is the same thing as your neighbor coming over to your house and
sexually molesting your daughter?

Do you also agree with Don, that the law requires you to shot the
person
in
the face if their dog craps in your lawn?


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"John Smith" wrote in message
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Don,
I am having a hard time following this conversation, but from what
I
can
tell you are saying that a dog taking a crap on your lawn is the
same
as
being a child molester. Did I miss something?

This is simple, John. Based on actual experience:

I'm working in the garden. I have 3 neighbors with little target
dogs,
like
dachshunds. I cut my lawn correctly in the summer, which means 3-4".
The
target dogs' turds are small enough to fall beneath the level of the
grass.
I step in it. I'm preoccupied with gardening. I am entitled to focus
only
on
the thing I enjoy, rather than having to watch every step I take. I
step
in
the turds, and run into the house for a drink of water, and maybe to
use
the
bathroom. Now, there's turd on my carpet. I have to stop what I'm
doing
and
rent a rug shampooer.

Not only does the machine cost money, but the dog owner has stolen
3-4
hours
of my precious time. If I apply my working rate to my weekend hours,
that
time is worth between $500 and $10,000.00. The dog owner has stolen
that
from me.

Get it? Stealing. Why? So the dog owner can keep his fat ass on the
sofa
watching football, rather than tie the dog up in his own backyard
and
clean
the turds out of his damned lawn. Calling the dog catcher a dozen
times
achieved nothing. "Duh...I have to actually witness the dog running
loose
before I can do anything about it". This is why one dog on my street
actually vanished about 15 years ago. Sort of like Jimmy Hoffa.

My property, my garden, my time, my money. No different than if you
did
a
gorgeous job of painting your house and I came along with a painball
gun
and
redecorated it for you. Get it? Same exact thing.