Wow, I never thought you'd be anti-union.

Steve

?????

Where did you get that?

In a discussion about whether it would be appropriate for BOAT/US to spend
members' money on specific political candidates, I commented-

Few things pizza me off worse than various organizations and associations I
choose to belong to (or am compelled to belong to for professional purposes)
making a decision about which political candidate they believe is "best" for
the organization and steering my membership fees to their campaign.


If I belonged to a union, (don't- and haven't for at least 25 years), I would
personally feel the same way as I do about some of the professional
organizations I belong to
endorsing and financially supporting candidates. I don't join an association to
be told how to vote, I don't want BOAT/US telling me how to vote, and I remain
independent from political parties for the same reason.

Would you think it a little strange if the board of directors at your yacht
club, country club, or what not voted to send several thousand dollars (or
more) to the campaign of a particular politician? The directors are free to
send their own personal money, as are the individual members, to the candidate
of their choice.

On 09 Apr 2004 15:57:38 GMT, Gould 0738 wrote:




If I belonged to a union, (don't-and haven't for at least 25 years), I
would
personally feel the same way as I do about some of the professional
organizations I belong to
endorsing and financially supporting candidates. I don't join an
association to
be told how to vote, I don't want BOAT/US telling me how to vote, and I
remain
independent from political parties for the same reason.

Would you think it a little strange if the board of directors at your
yacht
club, country club, or what not voted to send several thousand dollars
(or
more) to the campaign of a particular politician? The directors are free
to
send their own personal money, as are the individual members, to the
candidate
of their choice.


Spending money is one thing -- but what about saying "Mr. Smith is a good
guy, and we think he will work in our best interests" in their newsletter?


--
Jim

Spending money is one thing -- but what about saying "Mr. Smith is a good
guy, and we think he will work in our best interests" in their newsletter?

If BOAT/US, or anybody else, felt it was important for the membership to
understand the differences in candidate's positions on certain issues that
might effect something of interest to organization members, it would be more
appropriate to make a certain amount of space available in the newsletter for
the candidate to say his piece. It would also be fair (although there are fewer
rules requiring fair play these days) to allow the opposition an equal amount
of space.

Far too much editorializing gets shoveled under the crack in the door when a
newsletter editor makes a recommendation to the membership.

Whether it's Marine Trade Association, the
Yacht Brokers Association, Boat/US, or whatever....the main purpose of those
and similar organizations should be promoting the best interest of the entire
membership on a non-partisan basis. Not diverting membership dues to political
campaigns on *any* side of the spectrum.
Not even using the membership roster as a "mailing list" to pressure members to
contribute to the campaign of some gool ol' boy or another.

Well trying to get used to a new browser, I inadvertently replied just to
Gold.

Post as best I can remember it follows

While in my "reading room" this Am, I picked up the March Issue of the boat
US Mag.

Note all content summarized and paraphrased

On the cover ----Sen Breaux bids adieu

page 4 Behind the buoy ---- Sen Breaux is a good guy

Page 7 Breaux's legacy in pearl -- dealing with a $500 Mil trust fund for
boating

Page 8 Manatee Deaths up ---- But not because of boats

Page 10 California Budget Woes --(complete with a Pix of Arnold who is going
to divert boat fuel tax to other than boat uses

Page 11 SC Sky-High Tax -- Personal property tax on boats is bad

Page 12 Boat Liability Insurance --- Might be a good thing

Pages 20-21 Profile of NTSB Chairwoman

Pages 28-29 Fuel tax -- how states use it

Page 32 Fl has no lemon law for boats --- Bad

So which (if any) of these are political? (suggest you read your own copy
before replying) You ARE members aren't you?




"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Spending money is one thing -- but what about saying "Mr. Smith is a good
guy, and we think he will work in our best interests" in their
newsletter?

If BOAT/US, or anybody else, felt it was important for the membership to
understand the differences in candidate's positions on certain issues that
might effect something of interest to organization members, it would be
more
appropriate to make a certain amount of space available in the newsletter
for
the candidate to say his piece. It would also be fair (although there are
fewer
rules requiring fair play these days) to allow the opposition an equal
amount
of space.

Far too much editorializing gets shoveled under the crack in the door when
a
newsletter editor makes a recommendation to the membership.

Whether it's Marine Trade Association, the
Yacht Brokers Association, Boat/US, or whatever....the main purpose of
those
and similar organizations should be promoting the best interest of the
entire
membership on a non-partisan basis. Not diverting membership dues to
political
campaigns on *any* side of the spectrum.
Not even using the membership roster as a "mailing list" to pressure
members to
contribute to the campaign of some gool ol' boy or another.

I thought you threatened to leave with you ball and bat.

Change your mind Chuckie?


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Spending money is one thing -- but what about saying "Mr. Smith is a good
guy, and we think he will work in our best interests" in their
newsletter?

If BOAT/US, or anybody else, felt it was important for the membership to
understand the differences in candidate's positions on certain issues that
might effect something of interest to organization members, it would be
more
appropriate to make a certain amount of space available in the newsletter
for
the candidate to say his piece. It would also be fair (although there are
fewer
rules requiring fair play these days) to allow the opposition an equal
amount
of space.

Far too much editorializing gets shoveled under the crack in the door when
a
newsletter editor makes a recommendation to the membership.

Whether it's Marine Trade Association, the
Yacht Brokers Association, Boat/US, or whatever....the main purpose of
those
and similar organizations should be promoting the best interest of the
entire
membership on a non-partisan basis. Not diverting membership dues to
political
campaigns on *any* side of the spectrum.
Not even using the membership roster as a "mailing list" to pressure
members to
contribute to the campaign of some gool ol' boy or another.

correction edit to my original post.


"jim--" wrote in message
...
I thought you threatened to leave with your ball and bat.

Change your mind Chuckie?

jim-- wrote:

correction edit to my original post.


"jim--" wrote in message
...

I thought you threatened to leave with your ball and bat.

Change your mind Chuckie?





Chuck's post had some interesting content. I can't recall one of yours
that did.

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:18:56 -0400, "jim--" wrote:

I thought you threatened to leave with you ball and bat.

Change your mind Chuckie?


He did as he said, left for three months. Now he's back. At least his post was
boating related. Actually, it was kind of interesting.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

I thought you threatened to leave with you ball and bat.

Change your mind Chuckie?

I said I'd be gone for 90 days. With a couple of minor exceptions, I was.

I said I'd not be posting here as much in the future as in the past, and I will
not.
If I want to argue philosophy, I'll look for a forum where the typical rebuttal
isn't a juvenile, personal insult.

If a thread doesn't somehow relate to boating, there's no use persuing it in
this forum. I only got sucked into this one because BOAT/US was brought up as
an example of a non-profit orgainzation that could, conceivably, endorse or
support a political candidate.

It's easy to get a fresh perspective on rec.boats after an absence.
Would you believe there are a bunch of no-boaters who hang around here just
looking for opportunities to take personal potshots at folks? Such people are
without any useful purpose in a boating newsgroup, and unworthy of any time or
concern. Watchout for them, Jim. They will try to screw up your on-topic
discussion by bringing up personal issues and flaming. Most of them are none
too bright, and they come from many sides of the spectrum. They are as noisy
and annoying and insignificant as blood sucking mosquitoes, and you certainly
wouldn't want to get any of them dogging you around.

Besides, "You cannot teach a pig to dance. You get all muddy and it irritates
the pig." Darn good reason to avoid the political posts. :-)

Gould 0738 wrote:

Would you believe there are a bunch of no-boaters who hang around here just
looking for opportunities to take personal potshots at folks? Such people are
without any useful purpose in a boating newsgroup, and unworthy of any time or
concern. Watchout for them, Jim. They will try to screw up your on-topic
discussion by bringing up personal issues and flaming. Most of them are none
too bright, and they come from many sides of the spectrum. They are as noisy
and annoying and insignificant as blood sucking mosquitoes, and you certainly
wouldn't want to get any of them dogging you around.

Wow, did you finally get your eyes opened about krause?

Probably not.

-- Charlie