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The joke would have been funnier if the person referenced did speak Ebonics,
but the fact is many black people do speak Ebonics or black English . This is acknowledge by all educated people, especially those in education who are interested in improving the educational level and opportunities of blacks. Bill Cosby, who has a PHD in education) has made a concerted effort to try to educate blacks to the dangers of Ebonics, and he has also used "black English" in his humor for years. Next thing you will be telling us is an Italian can not tell a Irish joke without being racists (or would that be nationalists). Lighten up Gould, it doesn't make you a better person to be so PC. wrote in message oups.com... Those who can not laugh at themselves, live a very boring life. ******************** You're right, assuming that JimH is black. JimH, if you're black then you were merely disrespecting your own ethnicity and not that of someone else. My criticism would still be warranted, but my comment less than accurate if you are black. We have no information upon which to base an assumption that you are white, and it isn't important either way. I often laugh at myself. I'm frequently pretty ridiculous, as are we all. The problem with this "joke" is that it perpetuates a myth that black people are unable to enunciate well. Look at Tim's comment in this thread. Jesse Jackson is very well spoken, but Tim was quick to hang this demeaning racial stereotype on Jackson. One of the classic idiocies in life is assigning stereotypes to a member of one group or another merely because you might disagree with that individual's politics or philosophy. Mike Tyson may not speak as well, (at least to the "white" ear), as Jesse Jackson but that has nothing to do with race. There are enormous differences in speaking ability among members of any race. The fact that the joke relies on a racial stereotype as a substitute for humor can be demonstrated by the response accusing Jesse Jackson of speaking as Mike Tyson is alleged to speak. There is little these two individuals have in common beyond their ethnicity. Stereotypes are always stupid. Doesn't matter whether one says *All*.......conservatives are mean, hard-heartred *******s.......liberals are socialist traitors.......black people like to eat fried chicken and watermelon.....white people have small body parts and can't jump......etc, etc, etc, etc......when one defaults to a single statement intended to include all the members of any group it simply shows that the person knows little, or could care less, about any individual members of the group. |
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The problem with this "joke" is that it perpetuates a myth that black
people are unable to enunciate well. Look at Tim's comment in this thread. Jesse Jackson is very well spoken, but Tim was quick to hang this demeaning racial stereotype on Jackson. And people think that Bush is a bad speaker. Jesse uses phrases like "AX" for "ask" and "Ed-a-casin" instead of education..... BTW, did you ever watch much black rap or hip-hop videos? If not, you should....Now theres a true lesson in proper vernacular and grammar. |
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wrote in message ... I'm frequently pretty ridiculous, as are we all. ....as evidenced by your standardized, stereotypical response to the joke. |
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wrote in message oups.com... FI-FO-FI FO-FI-FI-FO I always thought that was Jesse Jackson's ******************** This racist thread brought to you by wreck.boats :-( Isn't this where we trot out the Chinese laundry jokes, or the tired old saw about telling a running back that the football is really a watermelon? Will we ever get past dealing in racial stereotypes, or finding then "amusing"? Racist thread? It is a joke and nothing racist about it. The guy is punch drunk and even if he were white he would talk like that. Get a life Chuck................. and then a sense of humor. |
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*JimH* wrote: Racist thread? It is a joke and nothing racist about it. The guy is punch drunk and even if he were white he would talk like that. "Nothing racist about it", and "even if he were white" in the same paragraph. That HAS to be just about the most ignorant thing I've ever read here!!!!! |
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wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: Racist thread? It is a joke and nothing racist about it. The guy is punch drunk and even if he were white he would talk like that. "Nothing racist about it", and "even if he were white" in the same paragraph. That HAS to be just about the most ignorant thing I've ever read here!!!!! So by saying (inferring) that Tyson is black, which he is, is an ignorant statement Kevin? |
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"*JimH*" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... FI-FO-FI FO-FI-FI-FO I always thought that was Jesse Jackson's ******************** This racist thread brought to you by wreck.boats :-( Isn't this where we trot out the Chinese laundry jokes, or the tired old saw about telling a running back that the football is really a watermelon? Will we ever get past dealing in racial stereotypes, or finding then "amusing"? Racist thread? It is a joke and nothing racist about it. The guy is punch drunk and even if he were white he would talk like that. Get a life Chuck................. and then a sense of humor. I'm mixed race and find the joke racially offensive. Down here, only a black person or a white racist would tell that kind of joke and it is ok for ethnics to tell jokes on themselves. Because of the color of my skin I don't tell many irish jokes unless they are very gentle. |
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 07:53:00 -0400, "SoFarrell"
wrote: "*JimH*" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... FI-FO-FI FO-FI-FI-FO I always thought that was Jesse Jackson's ******************** This racist thread brought to you by wreck.boats :-( Isn't this where we trot out the Chinese laundry jokes, or the tired old saw about telling a running back that the football is really a watermelon? Will we ever get past dealing in racial stereotypes, or finding then "amusing"? Racist thread? It is a joke and nothing racist about it. The guy is punch drunk and even if he were white he would talk like that. Get a life Chuck................. and then a sense of humor. I'm mixed race and find the joke racially offensive. Ok, why? It's a joke about a person, not a nationality, race or ethnic background - why should it be offensive? The fact that Mike Tyson is black isn't relevant - it's about him as an individual, nothing more, nothing less. So did you find the Wacko Jacko jokes last night funny? Down here, only a black person or a white racist would tell that kind of joke and it is ok for ethnics to tell jokes on themselves. So black persons and white racists are the same for telling the same joke? That's pretty unique. Because of the color of my skin I don't tell many irish jokes unless they are very gentle. So in your mind, the color of your skin or ethnic heritage is important in designing the proper joke - kind of like a designer joke? Do you find Chris Rock offensive when he does black "humor"? How about Robin Williams when he does the blind blues singer who is obviously meant to be black and is, in fact, very stereotypical? Tell me - am I black, white, yellow or mixed race - can you tell? Am I Amerindian, Lithuanian, Corsican or Cape Verdian? Do you know? Can you tell what will and won't offend me? Can you say with any sort of definite evidence that I will be offended if you tell a joke about short people having Napoleon complexes? How would you go about telling a joke in this medium that was not offensive if you don't rely on that element of truth which is in all humor - the differences between peoples belief's, ethnicity and character? There is no such thing as a neutral joke. All the best jokes are told with social, ethnic, color or lifestyle differences in mind - that is what makes them funny and, in a kind of odd way, instructive. Later, Tom |
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Jesse Jackson is the most famous 'racial stereotypist' of all time.
**********f If Jesse Jackson posts a joke that relies on a racial stereotype for humor, I'll be sure to comment as well. |
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