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OT--Bush dumb? Kerry dumber!
Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student His 4-year average on par with Bush's By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005 WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences. But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago. In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year. Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years. (In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see the article in it's entirety.) http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF |
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Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student His 4-year average on par with Bush's By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005 WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences. He's not "portrayed" that way, President Bush does in fact mangle words & sentences. But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago. Does anybody actually believe this? Strikes me as yet another case of Bush's records being conveniently lost or falsified. If you want to see the *real* difference between the two, compare how the two's children speak in public, and behave in general. But hey, if 'family values' matter most to you, then you probably won't care about raising intelligent, well balanced, well-spoken, professional, and high-achieving kids... at least, if you claim you care about family values and voted for Bush anyway... DSK |
NOYB wrote: Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student His 4-year average on par with Bush's By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005 WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences. But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago. In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year. Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years. (In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see the article in it's entirety.) http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF School transcripts have little bearing on someone's intelligence. |
wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student His 4-year average on par with Bush's By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005 WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences. But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago. In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year. Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years. (In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see the article in it's entirety.) http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF School transcripts have little bearing on someone's intelligence. I believe it was you who posted information about Bush's grades when he was in school. It was posted during the election hoopla. Why were grades important then but now not important? |
wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student His 4-year average on par with Bush's By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005 WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences. But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago. In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year. Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years. (In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see the article in it's entirety.) http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF School transcripts have little bearing on someone's intelligence. Is that the story you used to tell your mom? |
"HarryKrause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student His 4-year average on par with Bush's By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005 WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences. But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago. In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year. Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years. (In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see the article in it's entirety.) http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF What did Kerry take? I've seen Bush's transcript and noted he took all the courses we referred to as "puds." Stop asking sensible questions right this minute. |
Bush dumb? Kerry Dumber?
Dumber yet would be anybody equating GPA with intelligence. Grades have a lot to do with motivation, social issues, and (in what passes for education these days), the ability to parrot back factoids on "exams" that do little to demonstrate whether the student actually understands the material. Bush has a lower verbal IQ than Kerry's, and probably slightly lower than average. This is apparent to anyone who has heard him attempt to speak without a prompter. He admits he doesn't read, but rather has his staff read newspapers and periodicals for him and prepare summaries. Verbal IQ is not the sum total of intelligence. There is another portion of IQ, spatial reasoning and deduction (i.e. math skills) where Bush may do very well. While one can observe evidence of verbal IQ when another person attempts to communicate, the other aspects are not apparent to the casual observer and are best evaluated with a specialized test. There is no doubt that Bush is more shrewd, cunning, and ruthless than Kerry. If those can be considered aspects of "intelligence", (and they may well be- they allow a person to be effective against opposition), Bush clearly wins in that category. Historians will never consider GWB to be the brightest bulb in the presidential chandelier, but there is little direct correlation between college grades and native intelligence. Some very bright people undoubtedly went to college and screwed around socializing rather than studying. College doesn't make anyone intelligent. Some emerge "educated", but that is a different quality entirely. Smartest presidents in the last 50 years would have to include: JFK Jimmy Carter (proving there is no direct correlation between being a smart person and an extremely good president) Bill Clinton Ronald Reagan (in his first term) Johnson, Nixon, and Bush the First were also pretty bright, but I'd put them down a level below the group in the previous paragraph Bush the Second and Gerald Ford bring up the rear, IMO. |
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Damn.....you should go out fishing tonight in the gulf........with the
numbers of bites you've had with this bait. LMAO "NOYB" wrote in message .net... Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student His 4-year average on par with Bush's By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005 WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences. But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago. In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year. Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years. (In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see the article in it's entirety.) http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF |
*JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student His 4-year average on par with Bush's By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005 WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences. But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago. In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year. Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years. (In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see the article in it's entirety.) http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF School transcripts have little bearing on someone's intelligence. I believe it was you who posted information about Bush's grades when he was in school. It was posted during the election hoopla. I believe you are.....wrong. Why were grades important then but now not important? I never ever said they WERE important. |
NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student His 4-year average on par with Bush's By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005 WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences. But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago. In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year. Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years. (In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see the article in it's entirety.) http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF School transcripts have little bearing on someone's intelligence. Is that the story you used to tell your mom? Another truly ignorant and narrow minded question from NOYB, gee, why am I not surprised? |
wrote in message ... On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:19:59 -0400, DSK wrote: He's not "portrayed" that way, President Bush does in fact mangle words & sentences. Bush has made a successful career by having people underestimate his intelligence. I think he sits around inventing quotable ways to mangle the language. Think about it, what is harder? Simply winning because you are the best candidate or finding a way to steal it and getting away with it? A dumb guy could not devise and execute that plan You folks can't have it both ways. Without Rove or someone like him, Bush would be a mid-level manager at some backwater oil exploration firm, kept there as a favor to his dad. You know that. |
"HarryKrause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student His 4-year average on par with Bush's By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005 WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences. But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago. In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year. Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years. (In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see the article in it's entirety.) http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF What did Kerry take? I've seen Bush's transcript and noted he took all the courses we referred to as "puds." I've seen both of their transcripts. He took even easier classes than Bush. |
"HarryKrause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student His 4-year average on par with Bush's By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005 WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences. But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago. In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year. Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years. (In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see the article in it's entirety.) http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF What did Kerry take? He got 4 D's his freshman year. D's! I got one D in my *life*. Thermodynamics I. In Thermo II, I finally decided to read the damn book back to chapter 1. Once I knew the difference between an open and a closed system, I aced Thermo II. I'm surprised Yale let someone with 4 D's stay in school. Purdue's Engineering schools would have tossed him...and he'd have finished up as a grad of the restaurant and hotel management school. |
"P.Fritz" wrote in message ... Damn.....you should go out fishing tonight in the gulf........with the numbers of bites you've had with this bait. LMAO I caught a couple of goliath grouper (fka--"jew fish") and a small gag grouper on Sunday. They all fought a lot harder than the small guppies in this pond. |
NOYB wrote: "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student His 4-year average on par with Bush's By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005 WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences. But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago. In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year. Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years. (In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see the article in it's entirety.) http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF What did Kerry take? I've seen Bush's transcript and noted he took all the courses we referred to as "puds." I've seen both of their transcripts. He took even easier classes than Bush. Proof? |
"NOYB" wrote in message k.net... "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student His 4-year average on par with Bush's By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005 WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences. But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago. In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year. Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years. (In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see the article in it's entirety.) http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF What did Kerry take? He got 4 D's his freshman year. D's! I got one D in my *life*. Thermodynamics I. In Thermo II, I finally decided to read the damn book back to chapter 1. Once I knew the difference between an open and a closed system, I aced Thermo II. I'm surprised Yale let someone with 4 D's stay in school. Purdue's Engineering schools would have tossed him...and he'd have finished up as a grad of the restaurant and hotel management school. My alma mater would allow you to stay if your overall GPA was still about a 2.0, or you continued to get above a 2.0 each quarter if your overall was below a 2.0. (academic probation) However, some of the colleges within the institute would kick you out of the major if you received less than a 'C' in any two required major courses, (including withdrawls, and including repeating the class).....so even if you got a second 'D' in you last quarter, you would not receive a degree in that major. |
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:19:59 -0400, DSK wrote:
If you want to see the *real* difference between the two, compare how the two's children speak in public, and behave in general. But hey, if 'family values' matter most to you, then you probably won't care about raising intelligent, well balanced, well-spoken, professional, and high-achieving kids... at least, if you claim you care about family values and voted for Bush anyway... DSK We should have elected Kerry. Besides well-balanced, well-spoken, professional, and high-achieving kids, we could have expected: Taxes to go up *only* for those making over $200,000, The 'No Child Left Behind Act' to be fully funded, The Iraq Coalition to become much larger very soon, especially with all the French and German troops that will join, Everyone able to have the same medical care afforded members of Congress, Cheap prescription drugs, All children going to college, An immediate end to the nuclear weapons aims of North Korea and Iran, America to soon be the beloved nation of the entire world, A tremendous decrease in unemployment, A huge increase in high-paying jobs, A resurgence of manufacturing jobs, A tremendous decrease in outsourcing, with jobs returning to the US, An energy independent America, with no reliance on Mideast oil, A modernized military, able to meet all threats, The failure of terrorist organizations to breed new generations, A 50% reduction in the deficit, Enforcement of all of our trade laws, with a complete review in 120 days, An increase in the minimum wage to $7.00, The creation of10 million new jobs in his first term, Changes in credit laws to prevent very high interest rates, The savings of billions of dollars in medical overhead costs, The inspection of the 95% of containers entering the country not currently inspected, More secure borders, The hardening of nuclear plants, airports, trains and subways against attack, Improvement of our intelligence gathering, analysis and sharing to stop terrorists before they can do harm, A tougher, smarter, more effective war on terror, The securing of nuclear materials worldwide, A speed-up in drug and vaccine development, and, did I mention he will raise taxes only on those making $200,000 or more? Did I leave anything out? -- John H "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 |
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wrote in message oups.com... Bush dumb? Kerry Dumber? Dumber yet would be anybody equating GPA with intelligence. Grades have a lot to do with motivation, social issues, and (in what passes for education these days), the ability to parrot back factoids on "exams" that do little to demonstrate whether the student actually understands the material. Bush has a lower verbal IQ than Kerry's, and probably slightly lower than average. This is apparent to anyone who has heard him attempt to speak without a prompter. He admits he doesn't read, Bush never said that. but rather has his staff read newspapers and periodicals for him and prepare summaries. Of course. The POTUS doesn't have the time to sit down and dissect two dozen different newspapers each morning. Verbal IQ is not the sum total of intelligence. There is another portion of IQ, spatial reasoning and deduction (i.e. math skills) where Bush may do very well. While one can observe evidence of verbal IQ when another person attempts to communicate, the other aspects are not apparent to the casual observer and are best evaluated with a specialized test. There is no doubt that Bush is more shrewd, cunning, and ruthless than Kerry. Cunningness is not something demonstrated by those of low IQ. If those can be considered aspects of "intelligence", (and they may well be- they allow a person to be effective against opposition), Bush clearly wins in that category. Can you name a better trait for a President, than having the ability to be effective against opposition...particularly during a war? Historians will never consider GWB to be the brightest bulb in the presidential chandelier, Certainly not the left-leaning historians. And a right-leaning historian simply doesn't exist. Righties are the go-getters...and lefties are the whining Monday morning quarterbacks. but there is little direct correlation between college grades and native intelligence. Some very bright people undoubtedly went to college and screwed around socializing rather than studying. College doesn't make anyone intelligent. Some emerge "educated", but that is a different quality entirely. Smartest presidents in the last 50 years would have to include: JFK Naw. Jimmy Carter (proving there is no direct correlation between being a smart person and an extremely good president) Carter was quite intelligent, but not street smart. Bill Clinton Yes, very smart. Ronald Reagan (in his first term) Yes. In both terms. Johnson, Nixon, and Bush the First were also pretty bright, but I'd put them down a level below the group in the previous paragraph Nixon was as smart and savvy as any of 'em. He lacked charisma and self-confidence. Bush the first was pretty sharp too. Bush the Second and Gerald Ford bring up the rear, IMO. Bush may be perhaps the smartest of all. He has a knack for consistently making his opponents "misunderestimate" him. Yet he always comes out on top. Either you have to believe he's pretty darn smart...or you believe that Forrest Gump was a true story being played out in the White House. |
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:21:56 +0000, NOYB wrote:
I caught a couple of goliath grouper (fka--"jew fish") and a small gag grouper on Sunday. They all fought a lot harder than the small guppies in this pond. IIRC, goliath groupers were severely restricted. Are they starting to make a come back? Have the restrictions been eased? |
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:21:56 +0000, NOYB wrote: I caught a couple of goliath grouper (fka--"jew fish") and a small gag grouper on Sunday. They all fought a lot harder than the small guppies in this pond. IIRC, goliath groupers were severely restricted. Are they starting to make a come back? Yes. In fact, we probably have more of them in SW Florida than anywhere else in the World. They are all over the wrecks and artifical reefs...so much so that they're a nuisance when you're trying to catch other fish for the cooler. Have the restrictions been eased? Not yet. Most down here advocate a limited take/harvest permit. Perhaps you'll be able to get a tag that allows you one goliath/year. Hopefully it stays closed to spear fishing though. They're too easy of a target, which is what decimated the population the first time around. |
If you want to see the *real* difference between the two, compare how
the two's children speak in public, and behave in general. But hey, if 'family values' matter most to you, then you probably won't care about raising intelligent, well balanced, well-spoken, professional, and high-achieving kids... at least, if you claim you care about family values and voted for Bush anyway... John H wrote: We should have elected Kerry. Besides well-balanced, well-spoken, professional, and high-achieving kids, we could have expected: Taxes to go up *only* for those making over $200,000, Or maybe a reduction in the huge defecit due to the "war on terrorism" which Bush & Cheney are fighting by invading countries that have no connection to terrorism... The 'No Child Left Behind Act' to be fully funded, Or maybe the 'No Child Left Behind' act would be rescinded and in it's place a reasonable, effective, and non-punitive, educational policy that could be executed with the existing level of funding BTW you're an educator John H (or at least have claimed to be) what do you really think of President Bush's unfunded mandate called 'The No Child Left Behind Act'? The Iraq Coalition to become much larger very soon, especially with all the French and German troops that will join, Or maybe coalition members would stop leaving Everyone able to have the same medical care afforded members of Congress, Why doesn't the Republican controlled Congress do this now? Cheap prescription drugs, Why doesn't the Republican controlled Congress do this now? Instead of the *more expensive* drug plans forced down the country's throats in the form of a huge deficit-increasing subsidy to the big pharmaceutical companies which the just-previous and Republican controlled Congress enacted under the guise of "Medicare Reform" (cough cough)? All children going to college, Or maybe just the ones that are smart enough to benefit, whether they can pay or not. An immediate end to the nuclear weapons aims of North Korea and Iran, Why doesn't the Republican controlled Congress do this now? America to soon be the beloved nation of the entire world, You mean like we would if GWB honored his campaign promises to put into force the Kyoto Accords, acted to stop genocide, and didn't lock up people forever & for no reason other than some fumbling intimation that they *might* be terrorists? A tremendous decrease in unemployment, A huge increase in high-paying jobs, A resurgence of manufacturing jobs, Why can't President Bush and the Republican controlled Congress do this now? An energy independent America, with no reliance on Mideast oil Or maybe we could just ask Halliburton to return the 200 million + that they've stolen or overcharged since the beginning of the Iraq war. A modernized military, able to meet all threats, I thought Rumsfeld was giving us that now, as soon as he finishes rooting out the 'Clintonized' military leadership (why is it taking more than 4 years?). Etc Etc Etc Oh and thanks for acknowledging all the problems that the Bush Administration is creating, or worsening, and leaving for the grown-ups to clean up after them... I hope the grown-ups get there soon... DSK |
wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student His 4-year average on par with Bush's By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005 WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences. But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago. In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year. Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years. (In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see the article in it's entirety.) http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF What did Kerry take? I've seen Bush's transcript and noted he took all the courses we referred to as "puds." I've seen both of their transcripts. He took even easier classes than Bush. Proof? Proof from Harry? When he posts Bush's transcripts, I'll post Kerry's...and then you can compare the two. |
"NOYB" wrote in message .net... "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... Damn.....you should go out fishing tonight in the gulf........with the numbers of bites you've had with this bait. LMAO I caught a couple of goliath grouper (fka--"jew fish") and a small gag grouper on Sunday. They all fought a lot harder than the small guppies in this pond. Well, they will get even more shrill with this sort of news http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005...ry%20Meter.htm |
"HarryKrause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student His 4-year average on par with Bush's By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005 WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences. But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago. In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year. Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years. (In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see the article in it's entirety.) http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF What did Kerry take? I've seen Bush's transcript and noted he took all the courses we referred to as "puds." I've seen both of their transcripts. He took even easier classes than Bush. Proof? Proof from Harry? When he posts Bush's transcripts, I'll post Kerry's...and then you can compare the two. Bush's transcript has been on the internet for years. I've never seen Kerry's. I can tell from their course selections at Yale, though, who pudded his way through. Kerry's transcript showed up on the same site as Bush's. Find Bush's and you'll see Kerry's. |
"P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message .net... "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... Damn.....you should go out fishing tonight in the gulf........with the numbers of bites you've had with this bait. LMAO I caught a couple of goliath grouper (fka--"jew fish") and a small gag grouper on Sunday. They all fought a lot harder than the small guppies in this pond. Well, they will get even more shrill with this sort of news http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005...ry%20Meter.htm And don't forget that Rasmussen proved to be *very* accurate in his polling data right before the 2004 election. Rasmussen's final projection was: Bush 50.2% Kerry 48.5% Bush finished with 50.7% and Kerry finished with 48.2%. |
"NOYB" wrote in message k.net... "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message .net... "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... Damn.....you should go out fishing tonight in the gulf........with the numbers of bites you've had with this bait. LMAO I caught a couple of goliath grouper (fka--"jew fish") and a small gag grouper on Sunday. They all fought a lot harder than the small guppies in this pond. Well, they will get even more shrill with this sort of news http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005...ry%20Meter.htm And don't forget that Rasmussen proved to be *very* accurate in his polling data right before the 2004 election. Rasmussen's final projection was: Bush 50.2% Kerry 48.5% Bush finished with 50.7% and Kerry finished with 48.2%. Just think....another 4 years of harry, kevin, chuck and crew whining. |
"NOYB" wrote in message
.net... Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student His 4-year average on par with Bush's By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005 WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences. But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago. Congrats. You have just proven that grades at Yale do not reflect intelligence. -- Peter Aitken |
"John H" wrote in message
... We should have elected Kerry. Besides well-balanced, well-spoken, professional, and high-achieving kids, we could have expected: Taxes to go up *only* for those making over $200,000, It's called "No Billionaire Left Behind" |
Watch Letterman. He's doing a nightly thing called "George Bush -
Wordsmith". Actual video footage of the moron butchering the English language. |
Kevin,
You are correct, they show the persons ability to use one's intellect while they were in school. wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student His 4-year average on par with Bush's By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005 WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences. But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago. In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year. Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years. (In the interest of upholding international copyright laws, a significant portion of this article has been snipped. Go to the link below to see the article in it's entirety.) http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...dent? mode=PF School transcripts have little bearing on someone's intelligence. |
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:54:04 -0400, DSK wrote:
If you want to see the *real* difference between the two, compare how the two's children speak in public, and behave in general. But hey, if 'family values' matter most to you, then you probably won't care about raising intelligent, well balanced, well-spoken, professional, and high-achieving kids... at least, if you claim you care about family values and voted for Bush anyway... John H wrote: We should have elected Kerry. Besides well-balanced, well-spoken, professional, and high-achieving kids, we could have expected: Taxes to go up *only* for those making over $200,000, Or maybe a reduction in the huge defecit due to the "war on terrorism" which Bush & Cheney are fighting by invading countries that have no connection to terrorism... The 'No Child Left Behind Act' to be fully funded, Or maybe the 'No Child Left Behind' act would be rescinded and in it's place a reasonable, effective, and non-punitive, educational policy that could be executed with the existing level of funding BTW you're an educator John H (or at least have claimed to be) what do you really think of President Bush's unfunded mandate called 'The No Child Left Behind Act'? The Iraq Coalition to become much larger very soon, especially with all the French and German troops that will join, Or maybe coalition members would stop leaving Everyone able to have the same medical care afforded members of Congress, Why doesn't the Republican controlled Congress do this now? Cheap prescription drugs, Why doesn't the Republican controlled Congress do this now? Instead of the *more expensive* drug plans forced down the country's throats in the form of a huge deficit-increasing subsidy to the big pharmaceutical companies which the just-previous and Republican controlled Congress enacted under the guise of "Medicare Reform" (cough cough)? All children going to college, Or maybe just the ones that are smart enough to benefit, whether they can pay or not. An immediate end to the nuclear weapons aims of North Korea and Iran, Why doesn't the Republican controlled Congress do this now? America to soon be the beloved nation of the entire world, You mean like we would if GWB honored his campaign promises to put into force the Kyoto Accords, acted to stop genocide, and didn't lock up people forever & for no reason other than some fumbling intimation that they *might* be terrorists? A tremendous decrease in unemployment, A huge increase in high-paying jobs, A resurgence of manufacturing jobs, Why can't President Bush and the Republican controlled Congress do this now? An energy independent America, with no reliance on Mideast oil Or maybe we could just ask Halliburton to return the 200 million + that they've stolen or overcharged since the beginning of the Iraq war. A modernized military, able to meet all threats, I thought Rumsfeld was giving us that now, as soon as he finishes rooting out the 'Clintonized' military leadership (why is it taking more than 4 years?). Etc Etc Etc Oh and thanks for acknowledging all the problems that the Bush Administration is creating, or worsening, and leaving for the grown-ups to clean up after them... I hope the grown-ups get there soon... DSK Check out Virginia's implementation of the NCLB Act. You'll not find a lot of whining about lack of funds. Of course, Virginia already had some standards for its educational system. It seems as though a big problem is the states' inability to spend the money allocated them. Why fund more when what's funded isn't being spent? http://www.pen.k12.va.us/VDOE/nclb/ As to several of your questions, "Why hasn't the Republican controlled...?", I would say, for many of these, because it's impossible. Lastly, you made my point. We should have elected Kerry, who can do the impossible and only tax the rich. He would have worked miracles, like getting folks out of wheel chairs. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
John H wrote:
As to several of your questions, "Why hasn't the Republican controlled...?", I would say, for many of these, because it's impossible. That's funny, they reduced the deficit under Clinton *and* had NO terrorist attacks on US soil... and put many more *real* terrorists behind bars for life than Bush has done... after due process, too. Icing on the cake. Is making Social Security more fiscally sound "impossible"? Is an energy-independent America "impossible" Would it have been impossible to put together a *real* coalition to invade Iraq, like say for example the one that President George Bush Sr put together? Is it "impossible" to increase manufacturing jobs? Is it "impossible" to gain the respect of, and cooperation with, other nations? Is influencing North Korea to not build "nookular" weapons totally impossible, when it had been done for years before President Bush Jr took office? Is it "impossible" to protect the environment? Lastly, you made my point. Actually, you made mine. Most of Bush & Cheney's policy's have been a total failure if you look at the good of the country overall, and if you look at successful policies of the past. Of course, it's a lot easier to call names and then say doing all these things is "impossible." .... We should have elected Kerry I agree. Actually, we did elect Gore, but unfortunately he didn't get tot ake office and even you agree that the country is the poorer for it. ... He would have worked miracles, like getting folks out of wheel chairs. If that were true, maybe the Pope would have endorsed Kerry. DSK |
"DSK" wrote in message .. . NOYB wrote: Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student His 4-year average on par with Bush's By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005 WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences. He's not "portrayed" that way, President Bush does in fact mangle words & sentences. But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago. Does anybody actually believe this? Strikes me as yet another case of Bush's records being conveniently lost or falsified. Sore looser. If you want to see the *real* difference between the two, compare how the two's children speak in public, and behave in general. But hey, if 'family values' matter most to you, then you probably won't care about raising intelligent, well balanced, well-spoken, professional, and high-achieving kids... at least, if you claim you care about family values and voted for Bush anyway... Bush's daughters manage to keep there assests hidden while Kerry's daughters parade around in outfits that leave nothing to the imagination. |
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... "DSK" wrote in message .. . NOYB wrote: Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student His 4-year average on par with Bush's By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005 WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences. He's not "portrayed" that way, President Bush does in fact mangle words & sentences. But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago. Does anybody actually believe this? Strikes me as yet another case of Bush's records being conveniently lost or falsified. Sore loser. If I recall Einstein had difficulty throughout school. But as the saying goes the proof is in the pudding. Bush has proved himself and has no need to explain or apologize for his past mistakes. His accomplishments speak for themselves. A very distinctive resume. And I do not blame Kerry either for his school record. Clearly he is a very smart man who has a very impressive career while bravely serving our Country. This whole discussion is ridiculous. |
Man! Kerry was dumber? He was a whole lot uglier than Bush too! :)
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On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:35:30 -0400, DSK wrote:
That's funny, they reduced the deficit under Clinton *and* had NO terrorist attacks on US soil... and put many more *real* terrorists behind bars for life than Bush has done... after due process, too. Icing on the cake. Clinton - a real winner as far as terrorism goes. Is making Social Security more fiscally sound "impossible"? No, Bush has started the job. Is an energy-independent America "impossible" In the near term? Yes. If we build a lot of nuclear plants? Maybe. If we owned Iraq and Saudi Arabia? Probably. Would it have been impossible to put together a *real* coalition to invade Iraq, like say for example the one that President George Bush Sr put together? Ah yes, we missed the liberals icons, France, Germany, and Russia. Is it "impossible" to increase manufacturing jobs? Bush has increased manufacturing jobs where he could - M1 Tanks, Bradleys, Humvees, M16s, etc. He couldn't increase the production of automobiles, textiles, etc. like Kerry could have. Is it "impossible" to gain the respect of, and cooperation with, other nations? See above. Is influencing North Korea to not build "nookular" weapons totally impossible, when it had been done for years before President Bush Jr took office? You mean while they were going nuclear under Clinton's reign? Is it "impossible" to protect the environment? Lastly, you made my point. My point was that we should have elected Kerry! Actually, you made mine. Most of Bush & Cheney's policy's have been a total failure if you look at the good of the country overall, and if you look at successful policies of the past. Of course, it's a lot easier to call names and then say doing all these things is "impossible." Please show me where I called you a name. .... We should have elected Kerry I agree. Actually, we did elect Gore, but unfortunately he didn't get tot ake office and even you agree that the country is the poorer for it. ... He would have worked miracles, like getting folks out of wheel chairs. If that were true, maybe the Pope would have endorsed Kerry. Maybe not true, but Edwards said he would do it! DSK To prevent you going in to your name-calling, put-down routine, we'll stop now. -- John H "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 |
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:19:59 -0400, DSK wrote:
If you want to see the *real* difference between the two, compare how the two's children speak in public, and behave in general. But hey, if 'family values' matter most to you, then you probably won't care about raising intelligent, well balanced, well-spoken, professional, and high-achieving kids... at least, if you claim you care about family values and voted for Bush anyway... "Family values" like hypocrisy. Google on "Jennifer Fitzgerald" to see Bush I's "family values". |
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:48:03 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:
Bush's daughters manage to keep there assests hidden while Kerry's daughters parade around in outfits that leave nothing to the imagination. Really? I wonder what all those hits on Google are about? |
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