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Are cam cleats good for hanging fenders?
It seems like cam cleats would be nice to use to hang fenders from the
boat. Stick the line in the cam cleat "too long", then pull on the end to zip it up backwards until the fender is at the correct height for the boat/pier/rub rail, then let go, the teeth gripping the line to prevent the fender from going lower. I have found two great products: http://www.schaefermarine.com/hardware.asp (Go to Deck Hardware then Sure Grip) and http://www.harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/SCCYSPW1 I emailed a tech support guy at Schafer and he says that this arrangement does not work, the fender line tending to get out of the grip of the teeth. Anyone want to contradict that, has used cam cleats in this application? Mitch |
"MVG" wrote in message oups.com... It seems like cam cleats would be nice to use to hang fenders from the boat. Stick the line in the cam cleat "too long", then pull on the end to zip it up backwards until the fender is at the correct height for the boat/pier/rub rail, then let go, the teeth gripping the line to prevent the fender from going lower. I have found two great products: http://www.schaefermarine.com/hardware.asp (Go to Deck Hardware then Sure Grip) and http://www.harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/SCCYSPW1 I emailed a tech support guy at Schafer and he says that this arrangement does not work, the fender line tending to get out of the grip of the teeth. Anyone want to contradict that, has used cam cleats in this application? Mitch Why not just hang the fender directly from the cleat? |
The expert at Schafer is correct, the lateral stress place on the fender as
the boat moves back and forth will cause the line to pop out of the cam cleat. As a general rule, when a manufacture tells you his product will not work, it probably won't. "MVG" wrote in message oups.com... It seems like cam cleats would be nice to use to hang fenders from the boat. Stick the line in the cam cleat "too long", then pull on the end to zip it up backwards until the fender is at the correct height for the boat/pier/rub rail, then let go, the teeth gripping the line to prevent the fender from going lower. I have found two great products: http://www.schaefermarine.com/hardware.asp (Go to Deck Hardware then Sure Grip) and http://www.harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/SCCYSPW1 I emailed a tech support guy at Schafer and he says that this arrangement does not work, the fender line tending to get out of the grip of the teeth. Anyone want to contradict that, has used cam cleats in this application? Mitch |
MVG wrote:
It seems like cam cleats would be nice to use to hang fenders from the boat. Stick the line in the cam cleat "too long", then pull on the end to zip it up backwards until the fender is at the correct height for the boat/pier/rub rail, then let go, the teeth gripping the line to prevent the fender from going lower. Problem: The fenders don't hang nice & straight at all times. All you have to do is pull the fender slighlty above the axis of the cam cleat, and the line pops out. That's why cam cleats are very popular for things like mainsheets on sailboats, which need to be easily released in gusts. But not so good for tasks like hanging fenders... no doubt this is why the manufacturers (honest fellows!) told you it wasn't such a good idea. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
"MVG" wrote in message oups.com... It seems like cam cleats would be nice to use to hang fenders from the boat. Stick the line in the cam cleat "too long", then pull on the end to zip it up backwards until the fender is at the correct height for the boat/pier/rub rail, then let go, the teeth gripping the line to prevent the fender from going lower. I have found two great products: http://www.schaefermarine.com/hardware.asp (Go to Deck Hardware then Sure Grip) and http://www.harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/SCCYSPW1 I emailed a tech support guy at Schafer and he says that this arrangement does not work, the fender line tending to get out of the grip of the teeth. Anyone want to contradict that, has used cam cleats in this application? Mitch I love it when people use clam cleats to hang their fenders. It means there will be lots of nice fenders in the mangroves I can salvage. CN |
HarryKrause wrote:
*JimH* wrote: "MVG" wrote in message oups.com... It seems like cam cleats would be nice to use to hang fenders from the boat. Stick the line in the cam cleat "too long", then pull on the end to zip it up backwards until the fender is at the correct height for the boat/pier/rub rail, then let go, the teeth gripping the line to prevent the fender from going lower. I have found two great products: http://www.schaefermarine.com/hardware.asp (Go to Deck Hardware then Sure Grip) and http://www.harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/SCCYSPW1 I emailed a tech support guy at Schafer and he says that this arrangement does not work, the fender line tending to get out of the grip of the teeth. Anyone want to contradict that, has used cam cleats in this application? Mitch Why not just hang the fender directly from the cleat? Because the cam cleat makes it easier to adjust the height of the fender almost instantaneously. I use a fender gripping device that allows me to slide the fender line up or down to accommodate different height docks. I've had them for about 10 years, and I don't remember the brand name. But I've seen them at boating supply stores. Firstly be most careful of this lier he doesn't own a boat & never has, indeed he didn't even know what a "fender" was a few years ago in this NG till after one of his BS lies he called them bumpers:-) someone explained it to him. 10 yrs indeed he's just full of it:-) As for the question, cam cleats need a constant load on them to lock properly, the constant tug & release that a fender is liable to give will allow the line to escape more often than it's worth. K & your Krause lie of the day?? Well it's pretty recent, just imagine if this idiot had actually been out on his own boat?? the endless details the pictures, the DNA of the fish, naa your lying little union friend saved up & went on a charter boat yet again, nothing more. I mean he even posted pics when the driveway when the landlord finally gave in & had it graded for him:-), what a sad sack of crap he is; With high hopes that it wouldn’t rain and that at least some of the fresh water runoff “polluting” the Bay had itself runoff, as it were, we headed out of the Patuxent River yesterday in search of a few fish with whom to play. Knowing the importance of an early start, we all actually got to the boat by 9:30 AM. Gotta take this feeeeshing seriously. I was accompanied on the hunt for fish by Dave, Roger, and Steve, who, in order to follow the example of this newsgroup’s most prolific poster about fishing (if not its most prolific fisherman), I renamed “Limp-Along Dave,” “Mad Dog Roger,” and “StinkyShorts Steve. Hearty fellows all, although Mad Dog seemed just a bit too interested the brands of beer everyone else had brought. Well, it didn’t take long. As we passed the Naval Air Station, turned south, and came upon the remnants of the old lighthouse, we saw birds swooping and quickly determined the water was filled with small blues, maybe two to three pounds. We started casting half ounce spoons and one ounce plugs at them, and caught and released oh maybe a dozen before they decided to move on. Radar showed the birds really were active, in and over about 40 feet of water, so we decided to head out a ways and troll down towards the mouth of the Mighty Po-to-Mac, dragging a few weighted plugs, artificial worms, and the carcass of one of the blues who give up his fishy spirit upon encountering StinkyShorts. We caught a total of five stripers, and released four of them. “Limp-Along” decided to take his home for dinner. The fish were between 33" and 43" inches long. Most of the boats we saw were catching a few fish. After lunch, we headed up the Bay towards the Gas Docks, once a great place to anchor or tie up, and start a chum or drip line. Alas, the docks are being used again to offload liquified gas, and you can’t use the facility as structure. But the fish that used to hang out there have moved out to meet the fishermen, or so it seems some days, but not yesterday for us. Well, after futzing around for awhile, we headed up the Patuxent on bikini patrol It wasn’t that warm out, so the sightings were few. The day was winding down. We headed in, scrubbed out the boat, and drove to one of our favorite Solomons waterfront joints for buckets of steamers and beers. Not a bad day on the water. - - - Bush: Enough to Make You Puke |
"K. Smith" wrote in message ... HarryKrause wrote: *JimH* wrote: "MVG" wrote in message oups.com... It seems like cam cleats would be nice to use to hang fenders from the boat. Stick the line in the cam cleat "too long", then pull on the end to zip it up backwards until the fender is at the correct height for the boat/pier/rub rail, then let go, the teeth gripping the line to prevent the fender from going lower. I have found two great products: http://www.schaefermarine.com/hardware.asp (Go to Deck Hardware then Sure Grip) and http://www.harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/SCCYSPW1 I emailed a tech support guy at Schafer and he says that this arrangement does not work, the fender line tending to get out of the grip of the teeth. Anyone want to contradict that, has used cam cleats in this application? Mitch Why not just hang the fender directly from the cleat? Because the cam cleat makes it easier to adjust the height of the fender almost instantaneously. I use a fender gripping device that allows me to slide the fender line up or down to accommodate different height docks. I've had them for about 10 years, and I don't remember the brand name. But I've seen them at boating supply stores. Firstly be most careful of this lier he doesn't own a boat & never has, indeed he didn't even know what a "fender" was a few years ago in this NG till after one of his BS lies he called them bumpers:-) someone explained it to him. 10 yrs indeed he's just full of it:-) As for the question, cam cleats need a constant load on them to lock properly, the constant tug & release that a fender is liable to give will allow the line to escape more often than it's worth. K Using a simple cleat hitch I never had a problem re-adjusting the fender heights....and the fenders stayed in place. |
On 5 Jun 2005 15:00:07 -0700, "MVG" wrote:
~~ snippage ~~ I emailed a tech support guy at Schafer and he says that this arrangement does not work, the fender line tending to get out of the grip of the teeth. Get the hint? :) Everybody else has pretty much told you why it shouldn't be done, but I'm here to tell you, from practical experience, that it won't work. I'd rather not say how my bright idea about cam cleats came about, but I will say I had some repairs to make when it didn't work. Later, Tom |
On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 11:33:22 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote: On 5 Jun 2005 15:00:07 -0700, "MVG" wrote: ~~ snippage ~~ I emailed a tech support guy at Schafer and he says that this arrangement does not work, the fender line tending to get out of the grip of the teeth. Get the hint? :) Everybody else has pretty much told you why it shouldn't be done, but I'm here to tell you, from practical experience, that it won't work. I'd rather not say how my bright idea about cam cleats came about, but I will say I had some repairs to make when it didn't work. By the way, I did eventually come up with a method to keep the damn lines from popping out of the cam cleat, but it wasn't worth the effort or the time spent in a machine shop to modify the cleat. Besides, as JimH said, it's simple enough to adjust fenders on a regular cleat - you aren't saving any time doing otherwise. Later, Tom |
"K. Smith" wrote in message ... HarryKrause wrote: *JimH* wrote: "MVG" wrote in message oups.com... It seems like cam cleats would be nice to use to hang fenders from the boat. Stick the line in the cam cleat "too long", then pull on the end to zip it up backwards until the fender is at the correct height for the boat/pier/rub rail, then let go, the teeth gripping the line to prevent the fender from going lower. I have found two great products: http://www.schaefermarine.com/hardware.asp (Go to Deck Hardware then Sure Grip) and http://www.harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/SCCYSPW1 I emailed a tech support guy at Schafer and he says that this arrangement does not work, the fender line tending to get out of the grip of the teeth. Anyone want to contradict that, has used cam cleats in this application? Mitch Why not just hang the fender directly from the cleat? Because the cam cleat makes it easier to adjust the height of the fender almost instantaneously. I use a fender gripping device that allows me to slide the fender line up or down to accommodate different height docks. I've had them for about 10 years, and I don't remember the brand name. But I've seen them at boating supply stores. Firstly be most careful of this lier he doesn't own a boat & never has, indeed he didn't even know what a "fender" was a few years ago in this NG till after one of his BS lies he called them bumpers:-) someone explained it to him. 10 yrs indeed he's just full of it:-) As for the question, cam cleats need a constant load on them to lock properly, the constant tug & release that a fender is liable to give will allow the line to escape more often than it's worth. K & your Krause lie of the day?? Well it's pretty recent, just imagine if this idiot had actually been out on his own boat?? the endless details the pictures, the DNA of the fish, naa your lying little union friend saved up & went on a charter boat yet again, nothing more. I mean he even posted pics when the driveway when the landlord finally gave in & had it graded for him:-), what a sad sack of crap he is; With high hopes that it wouldn’t rain and that at least some of the fresh water runoff “polluting” the Bay had itself runoff, as it were, we headed out of the Patuxent River yesterday in search of a few fish with whom to play. Knowing the importance of an early start, we all actually got to the boat by 9:30 AM. Gotta take this feeeeshing seriously. I was accompanied on the hunt for fish by Dave, Roger, and Steve, who, in order to follow the example of this newsgroup’s most prolific poster about fishing (if not its most prolific fisherman), I renamed “Limp-Along Dave,” “Mad Dog Roger,” and “StinkyShorts Steve. Hearty fellows all, although Mad Dog seemed just a bit too interested the brands of beer everyone else had brought. Well, it didn’t take long. As we passed the Naval Air Station, turned south, and came upon the remnants of the old lighthouse, we saw birds swooping and quickly determined the water was filled with small blues, maybe two to three pounds. We started casting half ounce spoons and one ounce plugs at them, and caught and released oh maybe a dozen before they decided to move on. Radar showed the birds really were active, in and over about 40 feet of water, ... Wow, birds picked up on radar....and radar that shows water depths. Amazing. What brand of radar is this Harry? |
*JimH* wrote:
"K. Smith" wrote in message ... HarryKrause wrote: *JimH* wrote: "MVG" wrote in message legroups.com... It seems like cam cleats would be nice to use to hang fenders from the boat. Stick the line in the cam cleat "too long", then pull on the end to zip it up backwards until the fender is at the correct height for the boat/pier/rub rail, then let go, the teeth gripping the line to prevent the fender from going lower. I have found two great products: http://www.schaefermarine.com/hardware.asp (Go to Deck Hardware then Sure Grip) and http://www.harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/SCCYSPW1 I emailed a tech support guy at Schafer and he says that this arrangement does not work, the fender line tending to get out of the grip of the teeth. Anyone want to contradict that, has used cam cleats in this application? Mitch Why not just hang the fender directly from the cleat? Because the cam cleat makes it easier to adjust the height of the fender almost instantaneously. I use a fender gripping device that allows me to slide the fender line up or down to accommodate different height docks. I've had them for about 10 years, and I don't remember the brand name. But I've seen them at boating supply stores. Firstly be most careful of this lier he doesn't own a boat & never has, indeed he didn't even know what a "fender" was a few years ago in this NG till after one of his BS lies he called them bumpers:-) someone explained it to him. 10 yrs indeed he's just full of it:-) As for the question, cam cleats need a constant load on them to lock properly, the constant tug & release that a fender is liable to give will allow the line to escape more often than it's worth. K & your Krause lie of the day?? Well it's pretty recent, just imagine if this idiot had actually been out on his own boat?? the endless details the pictures, the DNA of the fish, naa your lying little union friend saved up & went on a charter boat yet again, nothing more. I mean he even posted pics when the driveway when the landlord finally gave in & had it graded for him:-), what a sad sack of crap he is; With high hopes that it wouldn’t rain and that at least some of the fresh water runoff “polluting” the Bay had itself runoff, as it were, we headed out of the Patuxent River yesterday in search of a few fish with whom to play. Knowing the importance of an early start, we all actually got to the boat by 9:30 AM. Gotta take this feeeeshing seriously. I was accompanied on the hunt for fish by Dave, Roger, and Steve, who, in order to follow the example of this newsgroup’s most prolific poster about fishing (if not its most prolific fisherman), I renamed “Limp-Along Dave,” “Mad Dog Roger,” and “StinkyShorts Steve. Hearty fellows all, although Mad Dog seemed just a bit too interested the brands of beer everyone else had brought. Well, it didn’t take long. As we passed the Naval Air Station, turned south, and came upon the remnants of the old lighthouse, we saw birds swooping and quickly determined the water was filled with small blues, maybe two to three pounds. We started casting half ounce spoons and one ounce plugs at them, and caught and released oh maybe a dozen before they decided to move on. Radar showed the birds really were active, in and over about 40 feet of water, ... Wow, birds picked up on radar....and radar that shows water depths. Amazing. What brand of radar is this Harry? The charter renters type the type BS'ting lying non boaters have:-) Did you notice how he just can't "remember" the name of his cam cleats??? Honestly a 5 yo wouldn't get away with this crap in the school yard. You mentioned your holidays the other day?? he does a google then posts the same available online info but says he's been there!!!:-) He's gone back to his old 90s tricks of constantly pretending he is a boater, till of course the details are needed then it gets real dangerous for liars. While I'm on the subject of lies Gould's latest spam piece?? yet again he fudged the fuel economy by more than 20% above the best the diesel engine industry can achieve in a lab!!!:-) Is Gould just a lying piece of crap like Krause?? Naaa he's just desperate & dumb as dog dirt so grabs any bone a paying seller throws his way. Poor bugger really failed at everything else, now can't even crack it as a NG spammer. What's a failed used car salesman, then failed boat broker then failed internet spammer???? a Gould. Honestly they're both just too much for a koala to bear K & your Krause lie of the day?? Well it's pretty recent, just imagine if this idiot had actually been out on his own boat?? the endless details the pictures, the DNA of the fish, naa your lying little union friend saved up & went on a charter boat yet again, nothing more. I mean he even posted pics when the driveway when the landlord finally gave in & had it graded for him:-), what a sad sack of crap he is; With high hopes that it wouldn’t rain and that at least some of the fresh water runoff “polluting” the Bay had itself runoff, as it were, we headed out of the Patuxent River yesterday in search of a few fish with whom to play. Knowing the importance of an early start, we all actually got to the boat by 9:30 AM. Gotta take this feeeeshing seriously. I was accompanied on the hunt for fish by Dave, Roger, and Steve, who, in order to follow the example of this newsgroup’s most prolific poster about fishing (if not its most prolific fisherman), I renamed “Limp-Along Dave,” “Mad Dog Roger,” and “StinkyShorts Steve. Hearty fellows all, although Mad Dog seemed just a bit too interested the brands of beer everyone else had brought. Well, it didn’t take long. As we passed the Naval Air Station, turned south, and came upon the remnants of the old lighthouse, we saw birds swooping and quickly determined the water was filled with small blues, maybe two to three pounds. We started casting half ounce spoons and one ounce plugs at them, and caught and released oh maybe a dozen before they decided to move on. Radar showed the birds really were active, in and over about 40 feet of water, so we decided to head out a ways and troll down towards the mouth of the Mighty Po-to-Mac, dragging a few weighted plugs, artificial worms, and the carcass of one of the blues who give up his fishy spirit upon encountering StinkyShorts. We caught a total of five stripers, and released four of them. “Limp-Along” decided to take his home for dinner. The fish were between 33" and 43" inches long. Most of the boats we saw were catching a few fish. After lunch, we headed up the Bay towards the Gas Docks, once a great place to anchor or tie up, and start a chum or drip line. Alas, the docks are being used again to offload liquified gas, and you can’t use the facility as structure. But the fish that used to hang out there have moved out to meet the fishermen, or so it seems some days, but not yesterday for us. Well, after futzing around for awhile, we headed up the Patuxent on bikini patrol It wasn’t that warm out, so the sightings were few. The day was winding down. We headed in, scrubbed out the boat, and drove to one of our favorite Solomons waterfront joints for buckets of steamers and beers. Not a bad day on the water. - - - Bush: Enough to Make You Puke |
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:50:31 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:
Wow, birds picked up on radar....and radar that shows water depths. Amazing. What brand of radar is this Harry? Maybe he's got a multifunction display like I have? On the Ranger: http://tinyurl.com/czb2d On the Contender: http://tinyurl.com/42u25 Later, Tom |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:50:31 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: Wow, birds picked up on radar....and radar that shows water depths. Amazing. What brand of radar is this Harry? Maybe he's got a multifunction display like I have? On the Ranger: http://tinyurl.com/czb2d On the Contender: http://tinyurl.com/42u25 Later, Tom I had multifunction also. But only the chartplotter showed water depths, or a side window on the radar when it was displayed. As you know, the radar, however, does not read water depths. And recreational marine radar cannot pickup birds. |
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:27:17 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:50:31 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: Wow, birds picked up on radar....and radar that shows water depths. Amazing. What brand of radar is this Harry? Maybe he's got a multifunction display like I have? On the Ranger: http://tinyurl.com/czb2d On the Contender: http://tinyurl.com/42u25 I had multifunction also. But only the chartplotter showed water depths, or a side window on the radar when it was displayed. As you know, the radar, however, does not read water depths. And recreational marine radar cannot pickup birds. Really? Damn... Later, Tom |
K. Smith wrote: HarryKrause wrote: *JimH* wrote: "MVG" wrote in message oups.com... It seems like cam cleats would be nice to use to hang fenders from the boat. Stick the line in the cam cleat "too long", then pull on the end to zip it up backwards until the fender is at the correct height for the boat/pier/rub rail, then let go, the teeth gripping the line to prevent the fender from going lower. I have found two great products: http://www.schaefermarine.com/hardware.asp (Go to Deck Hardware then Sure Grip) and http://www.harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/SCCYSPW1 I emailed a tech support guy at Schafer and he says that this arrangement does not work, the fender line tending to get out of the grip of the teeth. Anyone want to contradict that, has used cam cleats in this application? Mitch Why not just hang the fender directly from the cleat? Because the cam cleat makes it easier to adjust the height of the fender almost instantaneously. I use a fender gripping device that allows me to slide the fender line up or down to accommodate different height docks. I've had them for about 10 years, and I don't remember the brand name. But I've seen them at boating supply stores. Firstly be most careful of this lier he doesn't own a boat & never has, indeed he didn't even know what a "fender" was a few years ago in this NG till after one of his BS lies he called them bumpers:-) someone explained it to him. 10 yrs indeed he's just full of it:-) Wow, using a LIE to try and defame Harry. How low can you go? |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:27:17 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:50:31 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: Wow, birds picked up on radar....and radar that shows water depths. Amazing. What brand of radar is this Harry? Maybe he's got a multifunction display like I have? On the Ranger: http://tinyurl.com/czb2d On the Contender: http://tinyurl.com/42u25 I had multifunction also. But only the chartplotter showed water depths, or as a side window on the radar when it was displayed. As you know, the radar, however, does not read water depths. And recreational marine radar cannot pickup birds. Really? Damn... Later, Tom I knew you knew it Tom.....I posted it for Krause so he understands how radar works. :-) |
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:05:43 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:27:17 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:50:31 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: Wow, birds picked up on radar....and radar that shows water depths. Amazing. What brand of radar is this Harry? Maybe he's got a multifunction display like I have? On the Ranger: http://tinyurl.com/czb2d On the Contender: http://tinyurl.com/42u25 I had multifunction also. But only the chartplotter showed water depths, or as a side window on the radar when it was displayed. As you know, the radar, however, does not read water depths. And recreational marine radar cannot pickup birds. Really? Damn... I knew you knew it Tom.....I posted it for Krause so he understands how radar works. :-) Well, not exactly. And I wasn't trying to sand bag you there either - I wouldn't do that. I was being a smart ass and I apologize for that. The trick to using recreational radars, even the 2 Kw class radome antennas, is to set it for extreme range and reduce the discrimination a bit. Now I'll admit that a good set of binoculars on a small boat like the Ranger is a hell of a lot more useful than a 2 Kw radar system set for marginal operating conditions, but it can be done with practice and operating experience. On the Contender, it's a different ball game. I have an open array 4 Kw and at mid to extreme ranges, it will pick up large flocks of birds working surface bait. Now the relative advantage to this escapes me because if you see a flock of birds working you only have two choices - either head for the flock or move in front of the flock and set up for whatever you might think is causing the bait ball to surface. And the chances are the flock will move away at a tangent relative to you, so you end up chasing anyway. :) Now before you start going but, but, but - yes, 10 Kw and up radars with some height work much better for birds than small boat radars. The Audubon Society uses radar all the time to track migratory birds - they even wrote a book about it but I can't find the book at the moment. If you Google it, like birds on radar, I'm sure you can find it. For the big game guys, it is a good tool. For the recreational schmuck like me it's relative. The point is that you can't make a blanket statement that you can't pick up birds on recreational radar because, with training, some experience and the right setup, you can do it. Later, Tom |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:05:43 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:27:17 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message m... On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:50:31 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: Wow, birds picked up on radar....and radar that shows water depths. Amazing. What brand of radar is this Harry? Maybe he's got a multifunction display like I have? On the Ranger: http://tinyurl.com/czb2d On the Contender: http://tinyurl.com/42u25 I had multifunction also. But only the chartplotter showed water depths, or as a side window on the radar when it was displayed. As you know, the radar, however, does not read water depths. And recreational marine radar cannot pickup birds. Really? Damn... I knew you knew it Tom.....I posted it for Krause so he understands how radar works. :-) Well, not exactly. And I wasn't trying to sand bag you there either - I wouldn't do that. I was being a smart ass and I apologize for that. The trick to using recreational radars, even the 2 Kw class radome antennas, is to set it for extreme range and reduce the discrimination a bit. Now I'll admit that a good set of binoculars on a small boat like the Ranger is a hell of a lot more useful than a 2 Kw radar system set for marginal operating conditions, but it can be done with practice and operating experience. On the Contender, it's a different ball game. I have an open array 4 Kw and at mid to extreme ranges, it will pick up large flocks of birds working surface bait. Now the relative advantage to this escapes me because if you see a flock of birds working you only have two choices - either head for the flock or move in front of the flock and set up for whatever you might think is causing the bait ball to surface. And the chances are the flock will move away at a tangent relative to you, so you end up chasing anyway. :) Now before you start going but, but, but - yes, 10 Kw and up radars with some height work much better for birds than small boat radars. The Audubon Society uses radar all the time to track migratory birds - they even wrote a book about it but I can't find the book at the moment. If you Google it, like birds on radar, I'm sure you can find it. For the big game guys, it is a good tool. For the recreational schmuck like me it's relative. The point is that you can't make a blanket statement that you can't pick up birds on recreational radar because, with training, some experience and the right setup, you can do it. Later, Tom Why would any boater bother to set their radar up to track birds? We had a Raytheon RL9 LCD radar (dome 2 kw radar) and a Raychart 601XX chartplotter/GPS with a C-Map of the west and east Lake Erie regions on our 32 footer. I installed a Raymarine ST40 depth sounder and interlocked it with the LCD display. My only use for radar was for storm watching, night running and for the unlikely event I got caught up in heavy fog. I used the chartplotter almost exclusively during daytime operation.. Very nice tool when cruising as it not only showed speed, current position and current depth but also marked depths (from the c-map) of the Lake areas I was traveling.. BTW: No apology needed Tom. You have always been a straight shooter and a stand up guy. |
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:43:03 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:
The point is that you can't make a blanket statement that you can't pick up birds on recreational radar because, with training, some experience and the right setup, you can do it. Why would any boater bother to set their radar up to track birds? Well, in some cases, it does work rather well. Up here in New England, there is a lot of clutter and with radomes and small open array antennas, it is very marginal unless the bird is rising high enough to catch. I first became interested in bird tracking with radar when I worked for Texaco Oil in Louisiana. I became friendly with a head boat charter operator out of Venus, LA (I fixed his radar for him on the cuff) and he taught me a lot about how to discriminate surface/rain/fog clutter and birds working a bait ball. I never forgot the lessons. We had a Raytheon RL9 LCD radar (dome 2 kw radar) and a Raychart 601XX chartplotter/GPS with a C-Map of the west and east Lake Erie regions on our 32 footer. I installed a Raymarine ST40 depth sounder and interlocked it with the LCD display. My only use for radar was for storm watching, night running and for the unlikely event I got caught up in heavy fog. I used the chartplotter almost exclusively during daytime operation.. Very nice tool when cruising as it not only showed speed, current position and current depth but also marked depths (from the c-map) of the Lake areas I was traveling.. I'll tell you the truth - I use radar to keep from hitting idiots who refuse to slow down in the fog or tug operators with long tows. Other than that, it's running and I keep an eye on it, but I normally I use my two eyes and the chart plotter. The fishing is usually places I know will produce in most conditions. BTW: No apology needed Tom. You have always been a straight shooter and a stand up guy. Well I thank you, but I felt bad about that. Hey, water over the bridge. Later, Tom |
On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 18:02:39 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote: ~~ snippage ~~ Why would any boater bother to set their radar up to track birds? To find baitfish, or whatever fish the birds are diving on. Under the baitfish, there may well be something larger and more interesting. In the old days, that could have been anything - experience, time and weather gave you a good idea, but you really never knew. Now, at least up here, you have to track water temps and where the Gulf Stream is running to have a sound idea of what might be lurking. It's a tad more complex than in the old days. ~~ snippage ~~ With open array radar right off the Florida coast, you could find birds diving close to shore. That told you where the bait was, so you'd run over to the area and castnet for shrimp or pogies or whatever, and fill your live well. Interesting you should mention that. Over in RI, there is a huge debate raging among the members of the salt water anglers association about one particular operator who is allowed to denude Narragansett Bay of bunker. This year, there has been a direct correlation between the decrease of herring stocks and the stripping of bunker from the Bay and the number and size of stripers. The one boat that is allowed to strip bunker is, curiously enough, a provider of bait to bait shops up and down the coast. He's allowed to strip Narragansett Bay for bait shops in New Jersey. Back as recent as 2000, I used to go out, cast a net and have enough fresh bait for the day - I'd give the excess to any lobsterman I happened to see on the return trip. Now? It's a joke. Later, Tom |
On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 18:47:14 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote: ~~~snippage ~~~ How's the porgy fishing up north these days? When I was a little kid, a friendly retired neighbor who went fishing about every day in his dory would take me out to porgy fish. We used cut sandworms. Very successful, and a tasty fish. That's what we call bunker up 'round these parts. As of last week when the bait boat left, there weren't none. Later, Tom |
On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 19:32:43 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 18:47:14 -0400, HarryKrause wrote: ~~~snippage ~~~ How's the porgy fishing up north these days? When I was a little kid, a friendly retired neighbor who went fishing about every day in his dory would take me out to porgy fish. We used cut sandworms. Very successful, and a tasty fish. That's what we call bunker up 'round these parts. As of last week when the bait boat left, there weren't none. You call porgy "bunker?" What about connors? Familiar with those? Nope. Later, Tom |
HarryKrause wrote:
*JimH* wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:05:43 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:27:17 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:50:31 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: Wow, birds picked up on radar....and radar that shows water depths. Amazing. What brand of radar is this Harry? Maybe he's got a multifunction display like I have? On the Ranger: http://tinyurl.com/czb2d On the Contender: http://tinyurl.com/42u25 I had multifunction also. But only the chartplotter showed water depths, or as a side window on the radar when it was displayed. As you know, the radar, however, does not read water depths. And recreational marine radar cannot pickup birds. Really? Damn... I knew you knew it Tom.....I posted it for Krause so he understands how radar works. :-) Well, not exactly. And I wasn't trying to sand bag you there either - I wouldn't do that. I was being a smart ass and I apologize for that. The trick to using recreational radars, even the 2 Kw class radome antennas, is to set it for extreme range and reduce the discrimination a bit. Now I'll admit that a good set of binoculars on a small boat like the Ranger is a hell of a lot more useful than a 2 Kw radar system set for marginal operating conditions, but it can be done with practice and operating experience. On the Contender, it's a different ball game. I have an open array 4 Kw and at mid to extreme ranges, it will pick up large flocks of birds working surface bait. Now the relative advantage to this escapes me because if you see a flock of birds working you only have two choices - either head for the flock or move in front of the flock and set up for whatever you might think is causing the bait ball to surface. And the chances are the flock will move away at a tangent relative to you, so you end up chasing anyway. :) Now before you start going but, but, but - yes, 10 Kw and up radars with some height work much better for birds than small boat radars. The Audubon Society uses radar all the time to track migratory birds - they even wrote a book about it but I can't find the book at the moment. If you Google it, like birds on radar, I'm sure you can find it. For the big game guys, it is a good tool. For the recreational schmuck like me it's relative. The point is that you can't make a blanket statement that you can't pick up birds on recreational radar because, with training, some experience and the right setup, you can do it. Later, Tom Why would any boater bother to set their radar up to track birds? To find baitfish, or whatever fish the birds are diving on. Under the baitfish, there may well be something larger and more interesting. Off the Florida coast, I (along with other serious sportfisherguys) would also look for logs or other debris floating in the ocean. The debris attracted small marine life, the small marine life attracted baitfish and the baitfish attracted something you might want to catch. With open array radar right off the Florida coast, you could find birds diving close to shore. That told you where the bait was, so you'd run over to the area and castnet for shrimp or pogies or whatever, and fill your live well. Of course, if you spent most of your boating time tied to the marina dock, the dockboy would bring you a fish dinner, eh? This is just Krause BS lies!!!! This is his MO & it's sort of your own personal IQ test if you believe him you're an idiot. K Your Krause lie for the day is the one where he pretends Ullico the union thug pension fund is actually "his" business, when in reality it's where he works:-) But the interesting thing here is get a go of how they spend hard working unionists' money on themselves!!! I'm not wondering if the liar Krause won't come back & tell us this is a lie just so unionists' don't twig to what a rip off he & his mates a-) We have first-class benefits, including a top-of-the-line health insurance plan, a non-contributory defined-benefit pension plan, a 401k, and a life insurance policy equal to annual salary. We contribute a share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Our employees pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, but that's going up next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two weeks vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third year. In addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shut down from noon on Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20 days of paid sick leave a year. And we have an outside company administering pre-tax flexible bennies for our employees. Our fringe benefit package follows the trade union model, except, of course, for the profit contributions to 401k's. Trade unions are not-for-profit enterprises. How do these compare to the bennies at your shop? Paid? Every year? I call "bull****". With 3 weeks vacation, 12 paid holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every year. Are they hourly employees? For a "small business", that's the road to bankruptcy. Boy...and you had me going there for a minute. Not quite so simple, though you are trying hard to make it so. Our business is up because we're on the cusp of an election year. Our business always goes up in a major election year. You could say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 because Bush is such a total failure. The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off unless those days are used. None of our people abuses sick leave. In fact, no one as yet has even come close to using 20 sick days in one year. They're there in case they're needed. Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD. The company provides an insurance plan that pays 50% of an employe's salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of purchasing an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic benefit maximum is $4,000 per month. With the buy up, the limit is increased to $10,000 per month. |
"K. Smith" wrote in message ... HarryKrause wrote: *JimH* wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:05:43 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:27:17 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:50:31 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: Wow, birds picked up on radar....and radar that shows water depths. Amazing. What brand of radar is this Harry? Maybe he's got a multifunction display like I have? On the Ranger: http://tinyurl.com/czb2d On the Contender: http://tinyurl.com/42u25 I had multifunction also. But only the chartplotter showed water depths, or as a side window on the radar when it was displayed. As you know, the radar, however, does not read water depths. And recreational marine radar cannot pickup birds. Really? Damn... I knew you knew it Tom.....I posted it for Krause so he understands how radar works. :-) Well, not exactly. And I wasn't trying to sand bag you there either - I wouldn't do that. I was being a smart ass and I apologize for that. The trick to using recreational radars, even the 2 Kw class radome antennas, is to set it for extreme range and reduce the discrimination a bit. Now I'll admit that a good set of binoculars on a small boat like the Ranger is a hell of a lot more useful than a 2 Kw radar system set for marginal operating conditions, but it can be done with practice and operating experience. On the Contender, it's a different ball game. I have an open array 4 Kw and at mid to extreme ranges, it will pick up large flocks of birds working surface bait. Now the relative advantage to this escapes me because if you see a flock of birds working you only have two choices - either head for the flock or move in front of the flock and set up for whatever you might think is causing the bait ball to surface. And the chances are the flock will move away at a tangent relative to you, so you end up chasing anyway. :) Now before you start going but, but, but - yes, 10 Kw and up radars with some height work much better for birds than small boat radars. The Audubon Society uses radar all the time to track migratory birds - they even wrote a book about it but I can't find the book at the moment. If you Google it, like birds on radar, I'm sure you can find it. For the big game guys, it is a good tool. For the recreational schmuck like me it's relative. The point is that you can't make a blanket statement that you can't pick up birds on recreational radar because, with training, some experience and the right setup, you can do it. Later, Tom Why would any boater bother to set their radar up to track birds? To find baitfish, or whatever fish the birds are diving on. Under the baitfish, there may well be something larger and more interesting. Off the Florida coast, I (along with other serious sportfisherguys) would also look for logs or other debris floating in the ocean. The debris attracted small marine life, the small marine life attracted baitfish and the baitfish attracted something you might want to catch. With open array radar right off the Florida coast, you could find birds diving close to shore. That told you where the bait was, so you'd run over to the area and castnet for shrimp or pogies or whatever, and fill your live well. Of course, if you spent most of your boating time tied to the marina dock, the dockboy would bring you a fish dinner, eh? This is just Krause BS lies!!!! This is his MO & it's sort of your own personal IQ test if you believe him you're an idiot. K And how absolutely hilarious. Using radar to track birds to find fish. Yeah....right Krause. Do you also use it to track those logs you spoke of? LOL. I wonder how he will explain how his *radar* shows water depths. |
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:10:43 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:
*JimH* wrote: And how absolutely hilarious. Using radar to track birds to find fish. Yeah....right Krause. Do you also use it to track those logs you spoke of? LOL. I wonder how he will explain how his *radar* shows water depths. It may be "hilarious{" to you, but it is s.o.p. for many sportfishermen. I never said my radar showed water depth, or even implied that. *You," in your drooling idiocy, leaped to that conclusion, I pointed out you were wrong, as did SWS, and you just press on regardless. The world is safer because you are boatless. When did you put radar on the Yo Ho, Harry? I can't imagine you doing it this year since you're considering selling it. -- John H "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 |
Harry is no longer using YoHo to fish, he is using his 36' Lobster Boat to
fish. I thought he purchased YoHo so he didn't have to get his lobster boat dirty with fish guts. He really is too funny. "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... John H wrote: On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:10:43 -0400, HarryKrause wrote: *JimH* wrote: And how absolutely hilarious. Using radar to track birds to find fish. Yeah....right Krause. Do you also use it to track those logs you spoke of? LOL. I wonder how he will explain how his *radar* shows water depths. It may be "hilarious{" to you, but it is s.o.p. for many sportfishermen. I never said my radar showed water depth, or even implied that. *You," in your drooling idiocy, leaped to that conclusion, I pointed out you were wrong, as did SWS, and you just press on regardless. The world is safer because you are boatless. When did you put radar on the Yo Ho, Harry? I can't imagine you doing it this year since you're considering selling it. -- John H When did I state I "put radar on Yo Ho," John? To the best of my recollection, I never made such a statement. -- If it is Bad for Bush, It is Good for the United States. |
"John H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:10:43 -0400, HarryKrause wrote: *JimH* wrote: And how absolutely hilarious. Using radar to track birds to find fish. Yeah....right Krause. Do you also use it to track those logs you spoke of? LOL. I wonder how he will explain how his *radar* shows water depths. It may be "hilarious{" to you, but it is s.o.p. for many sportfishermen. I never said my radar showed water depth, or even implied that. *You," in your drooling idiocy, leaped to that conclusion, I pointed out you were wrong, as did SWS, and you just press on regardless. The world is safer because you are boatless. " Radar showed the birds really were active, in and over about 40 feet of water, ..." Seeing birds on radar. Seeing water depths on radar. Hilarious. |
"John Jay" wrote in message ... Harry is no longer using YoHo to fish, he is using his 36' Lobster Boat to fish. I thought he purchased YoHo so he didn't have to get his lobster boat dirty with fish guts. He really is too funny. "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... John H wrote: On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:10:43 -0400, HarryKrause wrote: *JimH* wrote: And how absolutely hilarious. Using radar to track birds to find fish. Yeah....right Krause. Do you also use it to track those logs you spoke of? LOL. I wonder how he will explain how his *radar* shows water depths. It may be "hilarious{" to you, but it is s.o.p. for many sportfishermen. I never said my radar showed water depth, or even implied that. *You," in your drooling idiocy, leaped to that conclusion, I pointed out you were wrong, as did SWS, and you just press on regardless. The world is safer because you are boatless. When did you put radar on the Yo Ho, Harry? I can't imagine you doing it this year since you're considering selling it. -- John H When did I state I "put radar on Yo Ho," John? To the best of my recollection, I never made such a statement. -- If it is Bad for Bush, It is Good for the United States. Caught in yet another lie. How fun. |
"*JimH*" wrote in message ... "John H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:10:43 -0400, HarryKrause wrote: *JimH* wrote: And how absolutely hilarious. Using radar to track birds to find fish. Yeah....right Krause. Do you also use it to track those logs you spoke of? LOL. I wonder how he will explain how his *radar* shows water depths. It may be "hilarious{" to you, but it is s.o.p. for many sportfishermen. I never said my radar showed water depth, or even implied that. *You," in your drooling idiocy, leaped to that conclusion, I pointed out you were wrong, as did SWS, and you just press on regardless. The world is safer because you are boatless. " Radar showed the birds really were active, in and over about 40 feet of water, ..." Seeing birds on radar. Seeing water depths on radar. Hilarious. He's pulling a "kevin" |
"Red Cloud©" wrote in message ... On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:21:05 -0400, HarryKrause wrote: *JimH* wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:10:43 -0400, HarryKrause wrote: *JimH* wrote: And how absolutely hilarious. Using radar to track birds to find fish. Yeah....right Krause. Do you also use it to track those logs you spoke of? LOL. I wonder how he will explain how his *radar* shows water depths. It may be "hilarious{" to you, but it is s.o.p. for many sportfishermen. I never said my radar showed water depth, or even implied that. *You," in your drooling idiocy, leaped to that conclusion, I pointed out you were wrong, as did SWS, and you just press on regardless. The world is safer because you are boatless. " Radar showed the birds really were active, in and over about 40 feet of water, ..." Seeing birds on radar. Seeing water depths on radar. Hilarious. Let's try to break this down for you into a few (but not all) possibilities: You have a radar set. You have a chartplotter. Your radar images can be superimposed over your chartplotter images. Your charterplotter's "map" shows depths or marked contour curves or both. Got the picture? You have a radar set. You have a chartplotter. They are separate instruments. You are familiar enough with the capabilities of your radar set to guesstimate how far away the birds are...and when you look at your chartplotter, you see the depths or marked contour curves or both. Got the picture? You have a radar set. You are really familiar with your area, so when the set says "birds," you know by looking at the monitor where the area is, and you know the water depth there is 10-12 feet at low tide, or whatever. Got the picture? Let's repeat what you originally claimed: "Radar showed the birds really were active, in and over about 40 feet of water, ..." Note the key word....radar...not chartplotter, not depth sounder....radar. Tracking birds with radar......yeach sure. There are more possibilities, but I don't want you to fry your brain. I see you are back to the insults Krause. I guess that is the sign you again lost this discussion. Since you are NOT a boater, and never were a serious fishermen, you ought not to make comments that so clearly show you don't know your butt from a hole in the ground, eh? Oh I am a boater...a boatless one at present but still a boater. I see you are back to the insults Krause. I guess that is the sign you again lost this discussion. How is that custom made 36 foot lobster boat that you have? You have not talked about it much lately. Are you hoping that folks will somehow forget your claims about it? Take a picture of the radar screen next time you are out of the birds being tracked. Pretty funny stuff Krause. I will release you now.....I have had my fun catching you and playing with you for a while. Have a nice day. |
"Red Cloud©" wrote in message ... On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:37:59 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: I have had my fun catching you and playing with you for a while. You're gay? Naw, just happy. Are you one of those Log Cabin Republicans? Wow! rusty redcloud Being able to pigeonhole someone based on one sentence. How amazing you are Rusty. |
"Red Cloud©" wrote in message ... On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:52:22 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: "Red Cloud©" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:37:59 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: I have had my fun catching you and playing with you for a while. You're gay? Naw, just happy. Are you one of those Log Cabin Republicans? Wow! rusty redcloud Being able to pigeonhole someone based on one sentence. How amazing you are Rusty. You are not very complicated. rusty redcloud You are indeed an amazing person Rusty. Perhaps you should get a job on the Psychic Network. |
"Red Cloud©" wrote in message ... On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:01:01 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: "Red Cloud©" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:52:22 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: "Red Cloud©" wrote in message m... On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:37:59 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: I have had my fun catching you and playing with you for a while. You're gay? Naw, just happy. Are you one of those Log Cabin Republicans? Wow! rusty redcloud Being able to pigeonhole someone based on one sentence. How amazing you are Rusty. You are not very complicated. rusty redcloud You are indeed an amazing person Rusty. Perhaps you should get a job on the Psychic Network. I already have a good job. If they are hiring, maybe you should apply. I doubt they have any minimum requirements, other than the ability to make things up. rusty redcloud I trust this is directed to Harry Krause. I don't know if he needs a job or not. He certainly has the ability to make things up though. What do you do for a living Rusty? What sort of boating do you do? |
"Red Cloud©" wrote in message ... On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:10:15 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: "Red Cloud©" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:01:01 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: "Red Cloud©" wrote in message m... On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:52:22 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: "Red Cloud©" wrote in message news:77nba1p3phj1jvv2ahpf3t0k6b5955nt41@4ax. com... On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:37:59 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote: I have had my fun catching you and playing with you for a while. You're gay? Naw, just happy. Are you one of those Log Cabin Republicans? Wow! rusty redcloud Being able to pigeonhole someone based on one sentence. How amazing you are Rusty. You are not very complicated. rusty redcloud You are indeed an amazing person Rusty. Perhaps you should get a job on the Psychic Network. I already have a good job. If they are hiring, maybe you should apply. I doubt they have any minimum requirements, other than the ability to make things up. rusty redcloud I trust this is directed to Harry Krause. I don't know if he needs a job or not. He certainly has the ability to make things up though. What do you do for a living Rusty? What sort of boating do you do? I work on the top floor of a government building. It's a second career, after retiring from the far more lucrative first one. I've been sailing for close to 50 years. If I could get my wife to retire, I wouldn't be working. I'd be sailing more. I thought, you being a psychic, would know all this stuff without me telling you! rusty redcloud I knew you would say that. ;-) |
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:29:03 GMT, Red Cloud©
wrote: On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:21:05 -0400, HarryKrause wrote: *JimH* wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:10:43 -0400, HarryKrause wrote: *JimH* wrote: And how absolutely hilarious. Using radar to track birds to find fish. Yeah....right Krause. Do you also use it to track those logs you spoke of? LOL. I wonder how he will explain how his *radar* shows water depths. It may be "hilarious{" to you, but it is s.o.p. for many sportfishermen. I never said my radar showed water depth, or even implied that. *You," in your drooling idiocy, leaped to that conclusion, I pointed out you were wrong, as did SWS, and you just press on regardless. The world is safer because you are boatless. " Radar showed the birds really were active, in and over about 40 feet of water, ..." Seeing birds on radar. Seeing water depths on radar. Hilarious. Let's try to break this down for you into a few (but not all) possibilities: You have a radar set. You have a chartplotter. Your radar images can be superimposed over your chartplotter images. Your charterplotter's "map" shows depths or marked contour curves or both. Got the picture? You have a radar set. You have a chartplotter. They are separate instruments. You are familiar enough with the capabilities of your radar set to guesstimate how far away the birds are...and when you look at your chartplotter, you see the depths or marked contour curves or both. Got the picture? You have a radar set. You are really familiar with your area, so when the set says "birds," you know by looking at the monitor where the area is, and you know the water depth there is 10-12 feet at low tide, or whatever. Got the picture? There are more possibilities, but I don't want you to fry your brain. Since you are NOT a boater, and never were a serious fishermen, you ought not to make comments that so clearly show you don't know your butt from a hole in the ground, eh? A boat is "a hole in the water", not "a hole in the ground". A hole in the water would be a vortex. Boats float on water. At best you could say that a boat creates a temporary dimple on the surface of the water like, say a gravity well does in space. But hey, one old saw is as good as another. :) |
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:21:05 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:
You have a radar set. You have a chartplotter. Your radar images can be superimposed over your chartplotter images. Your charterplotter's "map" shows depths or marked contour curves or both. Got the picture? You have a radar set. You have a chartplotter. They are separate instruments. You are familiar enough with the capabilities of your radar set to guesstimate how far away the birds are...and when you look at your chartplotter, you see the depths or marked contour curves or both. Got the picture? You have a radar set. You are really familiar with your area, so when the set says "birds," you know by looking at the monitor where the area is, and you know the water depth there is 10-12 feet at low tide, or whatever. Got the picture? There are more possibilities, but I don't want you to fry your brain. Since you are NOT a boater, and never were a serious fishermen, you ought not to make comments that so clearly show you don't know your butt from a hole in the ground, eh? *Who* has the radar set? -- John H "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 |
HarryKrause wrote:
snip... Since you are NOT a boater, and never were a serious fishermen, you ought not to make comments that so clearly show you don't know your butt from a hole in the ground, eh? Little late for that. The words been out for quite a while. |
John H wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:21:05 -0400, HarryKrause wrote: You have a radar set. You have a chartplotter. Your radar images can be superimposed over your chartplotter images. Your charterplotter's "map" shows depths or marked contour curves or both. Got the picture? You have a radar set. You have a chartplotter. They are separate instruments. You are familiar enough with the capabilities of your radar set to guesstimate how far away the birds are...and when you look at your chartplotter, you see the depths or marked contour curves or both. Got the picture? You have a radar set. You are really familiar with your area, so when the set says "birds," you know by looking at the monitor where the area is, and you know the water depth there is 10-12 feet at low tide, or whatever. Got the picture? There are more possibilities, but I don't want you to fry your brain. Since you are NOT a boater, and never were a serious fishermen, you ought not to make comments that so clearly show you don't know your butt from a hole in the ground, eh? *Who* has the radar set? -- John H "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 The charter boat he goes out on that's who, he comes here with more of his lies & pretends all sorts of boats are his, he's just a lying scum been caught so many times it doesn't matter. Did you see where the unions are now doing their best to bring GM down?? & all the while Krause & this 40 friends are still playing around with their "corporate" toys??? Always remember he's posted the pay rates the soon to be unemployed unionists are fleeced to sustain, not for profit unions?? come on the Krauses always lie their way into someone else's property:-) K Your Krause lie for the day is the one where he pretends Ullico the union thug pension fund is actually "his" business, when in reality it's where he works:-) But the interesting thing here is get a go of how they spend hard working unionists' money on themselves!!! I'm not wondering if the liar Krause won't come back & tell us this is a lie just so unionists' don't twig to what a rip off he & his mates a-) We have first-class benefits, including a top-of-the-line health insurance plan, a non-contributory defined-benefit pension plan, a 401k, and a life insurance policy equal to annual salary. We contribute a share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Our employees pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, but that's going up next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two weeks vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third year. In addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shut down from noon on Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20 days of paid sick leave a year. And we have an outside company administering pre-tax flexible bennies for our employees. Our fringe benefit package follows the trade union model, except, of course, for the profit contributions to 401k's. Trade unions are not-for-profit enterprises. How do these compare to the bennies at your shop? Paid? Every year? I call "bull****". With 3 weeks vacation, 12 paid holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every year. Are they hourly employees? For a "small business", that's the road to bankruptcy. Boy...and you had me going there for a minute. Not quite so simple, though you are trying hard to make it so. Our business is up because we're on the cusp of an election year. Our business always goes up in a major election year. You could say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 because Bush is such a total failure. The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off unless those days are used. None of our people abuses sick leave. In fact, no one as yet has even come close to using 20 sick days in one year. They're there in case they're needed. Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD. The company provides an insurance plan that pays 50% of an employe's salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of purchasing an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic benefit maximum is $4,000 per month. With the buy up, the limit is increased to $10,000 per month. |
Mr. Smith, they are doing wonderful things these days with medications.
Ask your physician about selective serotonin uptake inhibitors (SSUI) and he will be glad to help you unless you require inpatient therapy. MVG |
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