Your forgetting a few things. That is a hell of a lot of money for a
boat with outboards. I was at the NY boat show where they had one.
Their were lots of people that looked at the price tag and commented
"they can't be serious". And don't think for a minute that boat is
going to hold it's value. Large outboard powered boats drop fast when
the engines start getting hours on them. A thousand to fifteen hundred
hours on outboards is close to, if not the, end of the road, but a
diesel powered boat, their just getting started. By the time you equip
that boat your not that far away from a "real" boat price. Second, that
boat is not going to ride like an inboard powered boat. When the sea's
come up, that throttle is going back. And third, their's just so much
space lost to the outboards as compared to an inboard powered boat. Try
fighting a large, uncooperative fish with those outboards in the way.
Do yourself a favor, wake up, that boat is a bad idea that you'll
regret for a long time.

"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...

Last week, Gene mentioned Grady-White's new 36' Express, which sounded
like one hell of a boat. Well, my friendly neighborhood GW dealer has one
in stock, sitting up in its yard. Trip Yamaha 250 four cycles.

It is an amazing boat, and even more amazing is the fact that the dealer
ordered it on spec. He's dropping it into the water this weekend, if the
weather is good, and predicts that it will be sold by next Monday.

About $380k as equipped from the factory, and a guess of another $40,000
for electronics. I don't know if it is standard, but this one had a bow
thruster, the first I've ever seen on a Grady.

A great ride for the bucks, and a good buy, when you consider what other
big-time 36-foot express style fishing boats are going with twin diesels.


Way overpriced, like most GW's. Even at list price you only have $54k in
the motors. That leaves $325k for the boat itself. Better be a really
nicely layed out and constructed boat. When a diesel in that size goes for
the same or a little less, and you are looking at 60-80k for power. But
since they have the GW name, they will sell the overpriced unit.

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...

Last week, Gene mentioned Grady-White's new 36' Express, which sounded
like one hell of a boat. Well, my friendly neighborhood GW dealer has one
in stock, sitting up in its yard. Trip Yamaha 250 four cycles.

It is an amazing boat, and even more amazing is the fact that the dealer
ordered it on spec. He's dropping it into the water this weekend, if the
weather is good, and predicts that it will be sold by next Monday.

About $380k as equipped from the factory, and a guess of another $40,000
for electronics. I don't know if it is standard, but this one had a bow
thruster, the first I've ever seen on a Grady.

A great ride for the bucks, and a good buy, when you consider what other
big-time 36-foot express style fishing boats are going with twin diesels.


Way overpriced, like most GW's. Even at list price you only have $54k in
the motors. That leaves $325k for the boat itself. Better be a really
nicely layed out and constructed boat. When a diesel in that size goes
for the same or a little less, and you are looking at 60-80k for power.
But since they have the GW name, they will sell the overpriced unit.


I have not seen the boat in question, but as for GWs being overpriced I do
not agree. I have been doing a lot of boat shopping and and boat that is
significantly cheaper than GW for the same size and power is markedly
inferior in quality of hardware, amenities, storage space, and design. You
do pay more for a GW than most other boats but you definitely do get
something for that $$. If those things are not important to you then the
boat will seem overpriced. To others it will seem otherwise. Sort of like
comparing a Chevy and a BMW.


--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

On Mon, 16 May 2005 12:48:00 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote:

Capt John wrote:
Your forgetting a few things. That is a hell of a lot of money for a
boat with outboards. I was at the NY boat show where they had one.
Their were lots of people that looked at the price tag and commented
"they can't be serious". And don't think for a minute that boat is
going to hold it's value. Large outboard powered boats drop fast when
the engines start getting hours on them. A thousand to fifteen hundred
hours on outboards is close to, if not the, end of the road, but a
diesel powered boat, their just getting started. By the time you equip
that boat your not that far away from a "real" boat price. Second, that
boat is not going to ride like an inboard powered boat. When the sea's
come up, that throttle is going back. And third, their's just so much
space lost to the outboards as compared to an inboard powered boat. Try
fighting a large, uncooperative fish with those outboards in the way.
Do yourself a favor, wake up, that boat is a bad idea that you'll
regret for a long time.



1. I am not planning on buying one.

2. Boats generally don't hold their value. Gradys do a bit better than
most, though 36' is new territory for the maker.

3. The old adage about diesels just getting "broken in" at 2000 hours
may still be true for the high-displacement, slow turning, naturally
aspirated, relatively low output diesels of the past, but much less so
for most of the modern diesels going into boats today. You'd have to
have two 500 hp diesels to equal the top and cruise speed performance of
these three outboards because of the extra weight of the diesels. And
those two big diesels are going to cost two and a half times as much as
these outboards.

3. With engines and fuel, this GW is going to top 16,000 pounds, I would
guess. More than enough weight for her length, and more than enough to
take on the ocean as well as other boats in her class. I am sure the
fuel tanks are forward.

4. The outboards won't be in the way of fish fighting, unless the fish
is straight down from the transom. If that happens, the captain can spin
the boat so the angler can fight the fish. And since very few sportsmen
these days bring their large sportfish aboard, tag and release can be
handled off the gunwales, as on an inboard boat.

Look, I like inboards myself, but GW is willing to gamble on the market
for its new boat. Based on the several 330s I have seen around, I'd bet
the company sells the few it plans to make each year.


Oh...forgot. With outboards, no diesel smell, no diesel puking.

Nice post, Harry. Informative and not in any way political or full of
name-calling.

I would love to have the GW 228. To me it's got just the right amount of room
for three people to fish and has all the amenities needed for a nice day with
wife and grandkids. Plus it doesn't cost as much as a nice house in Solomon's!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...

Last week, Gene mentioned Grady-White's new 36' Express, which sounded
like one hell of a boat. Well, my friendly neighborhood GW dealer has one
in stock, sitting up in its yard. Trip Yamaha 250 four cycles.

It is an amazing boat, and even more amazing is the fact that the dealer
ordered it on spec. He's dropping it into the water this weekend, if the
weather is good, and predicts that it will be sold by next Monday.

About $380k as equipped from the factory, and a guess of another $40,000
for electronics. I don't know if it is standard, but this one had a bow
thruster, the first I've ever seen on a Grady.

A great ride for the bucks, and a good buy, when you consider what other
big-time 36-foot express style fishing boats are going with twin diesels.


I live on a canal that has some shallow water to run through to the Gulf (3
1/2 feet draft max on *low* tide). These outboard-powered boats are an
attractive option, but I'd never buy one with triple engines. The maintance
costs alone on those four-strokes would cost almost $3000/yr. And the fuel
costs would be insane. They wouldn't get the life that a diesel would get,
so I'd be replacing them in 5 to 7 years...to the tune of another $50-60k.

You might say "hey, people who can afford $400k for a boat, don't have to
worry about the maintenance and fuel". Bunk.

When it's time for me to move up, I'll be buying an outboard-powered boat
(unless a jet drive Hinckley pops up on the market for cheap), but it will
have two outboards...not three. By then, 300+hp four-strokes should be
commonplace.

"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
You'd have to have two 500 hp diesels to equal the top and cruise speed
performance of these three outboards because of the extra weight of the
diesels.


No diesel running straight prop shafts out the bottom of the boat will come
close to the top speed of an outboard-powered boat. Too much drag.

On Mon, 16 May 2005 16:33:42 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote:

John H wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2005 12:48:00 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote:


Capt John wrote:

Your forgetting a few things. That is a hell of a lot of money for a
boat with outboards. I was at the NY boat show where they had one.
Their were lots of people that looked at the price tag and commented
"they can't be serious". And don't think for a minute that boat is
going to hold it's value. Large outboard powered boats drop fast when
the engines start getting hours on them. A thousand to fifteen hundred
hours on outboards is close to, if not the, end of the road, but a
diesel powered boat, their just getting started. By the time you equip
that boat your not that far away from a "real" boat price. Second, that
boat is not going to ride like an inboard powered boat. When the sea's
come up, that throttle is going back. And third, their's just so much
space lost to the outboards as compared to an inboard powered boat. Try
fighting a large, uncooperative fish with those outboards in the way.
Do yourself a favor, wake up, that boat is a bad idea that you'll
regret for a long time.



1. I am not planning on buying one.

2. Boats generally don't hold their value. Gradys do a bit better than
most, though 36' is new territory for the maker.

3. The old adage about diesels just getting "broken in" at 2000 hours
may still be true for the high-displacement, slow turning, naturally
aspirated, relatively low output diesels of the past, but much less so
for most of the modern diesels going into boats today. You'd have to
have two 500 hp diesels to equal the top and cruise speed performance of
these three outboards because of the extra weight of the diesels. And
those two big diesels are going to cost two and a half times as much as
these outboards.

3. With engines and fuel, this GW is going to top 16,000 pounds, I would
guess. More than enough weight for her length, and more than enough to
take on the ocean as well as other boats in her class. I am sure the
fuel tanks are forward.

4. The outboards won't be in the way of fish fighting, unless the fish
is straight down from the transom. If that happens, the captain can spin
the boat so the angler can fight the fish. And since very few sportsmen
these days bring their large sportfish aboard, tag and release can be
handled off the gunwales, as on an inboard boat.

Look, I like inboards myself, but GW is willing to gamble on the market
for its new boat. Based on the several 330s I have seen around, I'd bet
the company sells the few it plans to make each year.


Oh...forgot. With outboards, no diesel smell, no diesel puking.


Nice post, Harry. Informative and not in any way political or full of
name-calling.

I would love to have the GW 228. To me it's got just the right amount of room
for three people to fish and has all the amenities needed for a nice day with
wife and grandkids. Plus it doesn't cost as much as a nice house in Solomon's!


Have you looked at the other side of Solomons? Across the bridge?
Towards Point Lookout? I drove out to Point Lookout last year, just to
see what the heck it looked like from the shore. I saw some really nice
wooded neighborhoods with home prices less than what was being sought in
Calvert County. You have to get some few miles past the NAS, though.

You would not believe the prices along the Pax River. They're worse than
the prices for nice houses with land along the ICW in NE Florida. And
the fishing isn't nearly as good.



Actually I was thinking more of the Lexington Park area, or north (Hollywood or
California). There are some developments going in down there with some nice
looking places (at least on the internet) in the $300,000 range. If the wife and
I sell this place and get something like that, I'd be able to afford the GW I
like! And, I'd be close to all that good fishing in the lower part of the bay!

The big disadvantage would be the distance from the kids. The Naval Station has
nice facilities, which is also a plus.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
I'd like a top end in the low-mid 40's with the Parker and a 300 hp four
cycle. On a good day, I can just almost hit 40 mph. What I really want is
to raise my "comfy" engine cruise to just a hair over 30 mph. Right now,
I'm a tad under that at an engine speed that sounds right to me.

You just described my boat to a tee.

25' Whaler Outrage Cuddy with a 250hp Suzuki. Low-end grunt is plenty
however. That 16" prop and low gear-ratio jumps the boat on plane as
quickly as the carbed 2-stroke Yamaha it replaced...but with an 80%
improvement in the fuel economy.

"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2005 12:48:00 -0400, "Harry.Krause"

wrote:


Capt John wrote:

Your forgetting a few things. That is a hell of a lot of money for a
boat with outboards. I was at the NY boat show where they had one.
Their were lots of people that looked at the price tag and commented
"they can't be serious". And don't think for a minute that boat is
going to hold it's value. Large outboard powered boats drop fast when
the engines start getting hours on them. A thousand to fifteen hundred
hours on outboards is close to, if not the, end of the road, but a
diesel powered boat, their just getting started. By the time you equip
that boat your not that far away from a "real" boat price. Second, that
boat is not going to ride like an inboard powered boat. When the sea's
come up, that throttle is going back. And third, their's just so much
space lost to the outboards as compared to an inboard powered boat. Try
fighting a large, uncooperative fish with those outboards in the way.
Do yourself a favor, wake up, that boat is a bad idea that you'll
regret for a long time.



1. I am not planning on buying one.

2. Boats generally don't hold their value. Gradys do a bit better than
most, though 36' is new territory for the maker.

3. The old adage about diesels just getting "broken in" at 2000 hours may
still be true for the high-displacement, slow turning, naturally
aspirated, relatively low output diesels of the past, but much less so
for most of the modern diesels going into boats today. You'd have to have
two 500 hp diesels to equal the top and cruise speed performance of these
three outboards because of the extra weight of the diesels. And those two
big diesels are going to cost two and a half times as much as these
outboards.

3. With engines and fuel, this GW is going to top 16,000 pounds, I would
guess. More than enough weight for her length, and more than enough to
take on the ocean as well as other boats in her class. I am sure the fuel
tanks are forward.

4. The outboards won't be in the way of fish fighting, unless the fish is
straight down from the transom. If that happens, the captain can spin the
boat so the angler can fight the fish. And since very few sportsmen these
days bring their large sportfish aboard, tag and release can be handled
off the gunwales, as on an inboard boat.

Look, I like inboards myself, but GW is willing to gamble on the market
for its new boat. Based on the several 330s I have seen around, I'd bet
the company sells the few it plans to make each year.


Oh...forgot. With outboards, no diesel smell, no diesel puking.


Nice post, Harry. Informative and not in any way political or full of
name-calling. I would love to have the GW 228. To me it's got just the
right amount of room
for three people to fish and has all the amenities needed for a nice day
with
wife and grandkids. Plus it doesn't cost as much as a nice house in
Solomon's!


Have you looked at the other side of Solomons? Across the bridge? Towards
Point Lookout? I drove out to Point Lookout last year, just to see what
the heck it looked like from the shore. I saw some really nice wooded
neighborhoods with home prices less than what was being sought in Calvert
County. You have to get some few miles past the NAS, though.

You would not believe the prices along the Pax River. They're worse than
the prices for nice houses with land along the ICW in NE Florida. And the
fishing isn't nearly as good.

One problem with property, on the waterfront, in St. Mary's is that if there
is an existing structure you can't tear it down and build one with a bigger
foot print. This is prevent the McMansions from popping up along the
waterfront.

On Mon, 16 May 2005 12:48:00 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote:

Capt John wrote:
Your forgetting a few things. That is a hell of a lot of money for a
boat with outboards. I was at the NY boat show where they had one.
Their were lots of people that looked at the price tag and commented
"they can't be serious". And don't think for a minute that boat is
going to hold it's value. Large outboard powered boats drop fast when
the engines start getting hours on them. A thousand to fifteen hundred
hours on outboards is close to, if not the, end of the road, but a
diesel powered boat, their just getting started. By the time you equip
that boat your not that far away from a "real" boat price. Second, that
boat is not going to ride like an inboard powered boat. When the sea's
come up, that throttle is going back. And third, their's just so much
space lost to the outboards as compared to an inboard powered boat. Try
fighting a large, uncooperative fish with those outboards in the way.
Do yourself a favor, wake up, that boat is a bad idea that you'll
regret for a long time.



1. I am not planning on buying one.

2. Boats generally don't hold their value. Gradys do a bit better than
most, though 36' is new territory for the maker.

3. The old adage about diesels just getting "broken in" at 2000 hours
may still be true for the high-displacement, slow turning, naturally
aspirated, relatively low output diesels of the past, but much less so
for most of the modern diesels going into boats today. You'd have to
have two 500 hp diesels to equal the top and cruise speed performance of
these three outboards because of the extra weight of the diesels. And
those two big diesels are going to cost two and a half times as much as
these outboards.

3. With engines and fuel, this GW is going to top 16,000 pounds, I would
guess. More than enough weight for her length, and more than enough to
take on the ocean as well as other boats in her class. I am sure the
fuel tanks are forward.

4. The outboards won't be in the way of fish fighting, unless the fish
is straight down from the transom. If that happens, the captain can spin
the boat so the angler can fight the fish. And since very few sportsmen
these days bring their large sportfish aboard, tag and release can be
handled off the gunwales, as on an inboard boat.

Look, I like inboards myself, but GW is willing to gamble on the market
for its new boat. Based on the several 330s I have seen around, I'd bet
the company sells the few it plans to make each year.


Oh...forgot. With outboards, no diesel smell, no diesel puking.

Agreed. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Later,

Tom