On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:37:19 -0500, John H wrote:

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:48:44 -0500, Jim wrote:

The head of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/

has a checkered past, though you wouldn't know it if all you read was
the ConWeb. Not only does he have an arrest record -- specifically, a
conviction for misdemeanor assault
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/nati...printstory.jsp
for attacking an aide to Sen. John McCain, who calls him "one of the
most despicable people I have ever had the misfortune to encounter" --
Sampley is also the source of the McCain-as-Manchurian-candidate meme
http://www.cnsnews.com/Commentary/Ar...20000104a.html
that Paul Weyrich tried to spread in the 2000 Republican presidential
primary when McCain was surging against George W. Bush. (Sampley has his
own rambling defense on the whole issue.)
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjoh...er_keating.htm

No need for apologies to me. There are some screwed up people who
fought in the Vietnam War. Ted Samply, whom I hold in no regard, may
be one of them. John Kerry is certainly one of them. I may also be one
of them, but I'm not on a street corner begging dimes nor am I running
for President because of it.

Um...John, what is the logical process by which you conclude that John Kerry is
running for president because of his service in Vitnam?

Joe Parsons


John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:18:22 GMT, Joe Parsons
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:37:19 -0500, John H wrote:

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:48:44 -0500, Jim wrote:

The head of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/

has a checkered past, though you wouldn't know it if all you read was
the ConWeb. Not only does he have an arrest record -- specifically, a
conviction for misdemeanor assault
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/nati...printstory.jsp
for attacking an aide to Sen. John McCain, who calls him "one of the
most despicable people I have ever had the misfortune to encounter" --
Sampley is also the source of the McCain-as-Manchurian-candidate meme
http://www.cnsnews.com/Commentary/Ar...20000104a.html
that Paul Weyrich tried to spread in the 2000 Republican presidential
primary when McCain was surging against George W. Bush. (Sampley has his
own rambling defense on the whole issue.)
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjoh...er_keating.htm

No need for apologies to me. There are some screwed up people who
fought in the Vietnam War. Ted Samply, whom I hold in no regard, may
be one of them. John Kerry is certainly one of them. I may also be one
of them, but I'm not on a street corner begging dimes nor am I running
for President because of it.

Um...John, what is the logical process by which you conclude that John Kerry is
running for president because of his service in Vitnam?

Joe Parsons


John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Should have said, "...nor am I using it to support my Presidential
run." But, only one as astute as yourself would have caught it!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"John H" wrote in message
...


Should have said, "...nor am I using it to support my Presidential
run." But, only one as astute as yourself would have caught it!


Using it? I suspect that if the public, the press and his idiot opponent
didn't encourage him to discuss the issue, he wouldn't bother with it.
Military service is a non-issue for a president.

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:57:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .


Should have said, "...nor am I using it to support my Presidential
run." But, only one as astute as yourself would have caught it!


Using it? I suspect that if the public, the press and his idiot opponent
didn't encourage him to discuss the issue, he wouldn't bother with it.
Military service is a non-issue for a president.


Did Bush bring up Kerry's Vietnam service, over and over and over?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:57:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .


Should have said, "...nor am I using it to support my Presidential
run." But, only one as astute as yourself would have caught it!


Using it? I suspect that if the public, the press and his idiot opponent
didn't encourage him to discuss the issue, he wouldn't bother with it.
Military service is a non-issue for a president.


Did Bush bring up Kerry's Vietnam service, over and over and over?

Mostly, it was you, John. :-) But, both candidates are going to give each
other plenty of bullets to shoot back. It's human nature. They invent
issues, and watch the polls 2 days later to see how the pablum-sucking
public digests these issues. The real issue is not Kerry's presence in
Vietnam, but the fact that he had the gall to disagree with the suits about
whether we belonged in that war, and express that disagreement publicly.
That suggests that there is freedom of speech in this country.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
"John H" wrote in message
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:57:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .


Should have said, "...nor am I using it to support my Presidential
run." But, only one as astute as yourself would have caught it!


Using it? I suspect that if the public, the press and his idiot opponent
didn't encourage him to discuss the issue, he wouldn't bother with it.
Military service is a non-issue for a president.


Did Bush bring up Kerry's Vietnam service, over and over and over?

Mostly, it was you, John. :-)


No it was not. Even the most partizan here that listened to any of
Kerrys speechs during the primaries would have heard Kerry, and every
surrogate mention Kerrys service within the very first few lines of
those speeches. Even you must admit, Kerry ran his campaign on it,
until that engineer showed up, go ahead, ignore me on this one, it's
gonna be good...

But, both candidates are going to give each
other plenty of bullets to shoot back. It's human nature. They invent
issues, and watch the polls 2 days later to see how the pablum-sucking
public digests these issues. The real issue is not Kerry's presence in
Vietnam, but the fact that he had the gall to disagree with the suits about
whether we belonged in that war, and express that disagreement publicly.
That suggests that there is freedom of speech in this country.

In the end, I doubt it will matter, no more than the gay marriage/civil
union thing matters. Polls indicate that most voters are concerned first
about the economy and the deficit. Perhaps the country is waking up.

John H wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:57:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .


Should have said, "...nor am I using it to support my Presidential
run." But, only one as astute as yourself would have caught it!


Using it? I suspect that if the public, the press and his idiot opponent
didn't encourage him to discuss the issue, he wouldn't bother with it.
Military service is a non-issue for a president.


Did Bush bring up Kerry's Vietnam service, over and over and over?

John H


Hell no, Bush didn't bring it up. He knows that if he did, then Kerry
would bring up HIS fantastic record of service to his country. Why is
it that you think a man that served his country, honorably, in Viet
Nam is terrible, but one who served only PART of his military
obligation, in Alabama, is just GREAT?

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
John H wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:57:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .


Should have said, "...nor am I using it to support my Presidential
run." But, only one as astute as yourself would have caught it!


Using it? I suspect that if the public, the press and his idiot
opponent
didn't encourage him to discuss the issue, he wouldn't bother with it.
Military service is a non-issue for a president.


Did Bush bring up Kerry's Vietnam service, over and over and over?

John H


Hell no, Bush didn't bring it up. He knows that if he did, then Kerry
would bring up HIS fantastic record of service to his country. Why is
it that you think a man that served his country, honorably, in Viet
Nam is terrible, but one who served only PART of his military
obligation, in Alabama, is just GREAT?

What does either have to do with being qualified to be POTUS? Kerry is the
one that keeps bringing up Vietnam for some reason, as though that means he
is qualified to be POTUS.

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:44:47 -0500, "jim--" wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
. com...
John H wrote in message
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:57:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .


Should have said, "...nor am I using it to support my Presidential
run." But, only one as astute as yourself would have caught it!


Using it? I suspect that if the public, the press and his idiot
opponent
didn't encourage him to discuss the issue, he wouldn't bother with it.
Military service is a non-issue for a president.


Did Bush bring up Kerry's Vietnam service, over and over and over?

John H


Hell no, Bush didn't bring it up. He knows that if he did, then Kerry
would bring up HIS fantastic record of service to his country. Why is
it that you think a man that served his country, honorably, in Viet
Nam is terrible, but one who served only PART of his military
obligation, in Alabama, is just GREAT?

What does either have to do with being qualified to be POTUS? Kerry is the
one that keeps bringing up Vietnam for some reason, as though that means he
is qualified to be POTUS.


Thanks! It sometimes gets very difficult to keep my resolutions not to
attempt a conversation with the two most ... in this newsgroup.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!