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Really? Are you proud of his arrest record?



NOYB wrote:
Big deal. By the time we graduated from high school, 1/3 of my graduating
had been "arrested" for underage drinking while in high school.

Ah, so now you're saying that you think it is morally OK to set an
example of boozing irresponsibly... driving while drunk among other
things... for today's young people?




Are you proud of his
grandfather's record of selling war materials to Nazi Germany?


His




What, did speech fail you? It's true, matter of record. Prescott Bush
paid a fine out of court rather than be charged with trafficking with an
enemy state. But then the Bush family was not as rich nor as powerful as
they are now. What sort of parallel can be drawn form this, given the
free ride that the Bin Laden family and Saudi business connections have
been getting?




More recently, how about his record of running and hiding when the US
was actually under attack?


He was a target you doofus.

Really? That was proclaimed loudly but so far there is no evidence at
all.... none... just another excuse and another lie.



That is something to be proud of all right.

But that's all old news. Let's talk about the present. How about Bush's
vetoing spending money on intel & security?


He did no such thing.

Really? Why did they cut funding for DARPA, a key military intelligence
project? What about the CDC's funding for emergency equipment & training
for counter-bioterror programs? What about the roll back on airport
security? Cutting funds for updating the CIA and FBI computer systems?

The list goes on. Bush is spending gazillions on war in Iraq, which
posed only very slight terrorist threat to the US. However, when it
comes to actually taking steps to combat terrorist groups, with money
that will not be funneled into the pockets of his supporters, he doesn't
give a rat's patootie.




That might really help fight
terrorism, but he nixed it.


Lie.

Unfortunately it's all true.


How about his record of ignoring... and even

falsifying... military casualties?


Lie.

Nope, true again.


How about his record of stonewalling the Sept 11 investigation?


Bull****.

Oh? Why then has Bush refused to meet with them? So far he's given a
string of statements about his dignity, and executive priviledge... he
puts his dignity above America's safety, his priviledges above the
truth... apart from that disturbing & undeniable fact, what does he have
to hide?

So far, the Bush Administration has given minimal coopoeration with the
9-11 investigation. They've even had to get court orders.


His
record of going on vacation more than any other President, ever?


So what.

Interesting set of priorities.

His

record of lying about many things, from the Clinton staff vandalizing
the White House


another lie. Check with the GAO. Their report shows it happened just as he
says it happened.

Umm, no. Their report said NONE of it happened.



to his declaration that he would not use Sept 11th
politically?


Where'd he say that?

About fifteen times, from two years ago until about two months ago.


How his record of bragging about his foreign policy
success, while stabbing his own Secretary of State in the back and
driving a wedge between the US and our longest & closest allies?


The wedge has been there for some time. I'm glad he just exposed the
phonies for what they are...backstabbing ingrates.

An interesting attitude.

But the FACT remains that his policies have failed. We have regime
change in Spain (and possibly coming up in Britain) and made a lot of
new enemies, but have not ended the first threat.

So we see... you are pro-Bush to the point of denying very obvious and
easily verifiable fact... in your opinion, the Bush family should come
first above the good of the rest of the country. In your opinion, lies
and profiteering are fine *if* the guys you like are doing it.

DSK

OT--al Qaeda already claiming Aznar's defeat as victory
 

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..

Really? Are you proud of his arrest record?



NOYB wrote:
Big deal. By the time we graduated from high school, 1/3 of my
graduating
had been "arrested" for underage drinking while in high school.

Ah, so now you're saying that you think it is morally OK to set an
example of boozing irresponsibly... driving while drunk among other
things... for today's young people?




Are you proud of his
grandfather's record of selling war materials to Nazi Germany?


His




What, did speech fail you? It's true, matter of record. Prescott Bush
paid a fine out of court rather than be charged with trafficking with an
enemy state. But then the Bush family was not as rich nor as powerful as
they are now. What sort of parallel can be drawn form this, given the
free ride that the Bin Laden family and Saudi business connections have
been getting?




More recently, how about his record of running and hiding when the US
was actually under attack?


He was a target you doofus.

Really? That was proclaimed loudly but so far there is no evidence at
all.... none... just another excuse and another lie.



That is something to be proud of all right.

But that's all old news. Let's talk about the present. How about Bush's
vetoing spending money on intel & security?


He did no such thing.

Really? Why did they cut funding for DARPA, a key military intelligence
project? What about the CDC's funding for emergency equipment & training
for counter-bioterror programs? What about the roll back on airport
security? Cutting funds for updating the CIA and FBI computer systems?

The list goes on. Bush is spending gazillions on war in Iraq, which
posed only very slight terrorist threat to the US. However, when it
comes to actually taking steps to combat terrorist groups, with money
that will not be funneled into the pockets of his supporters, he doesn't
give a rat's patootie.




That might really help fight
terrorism, but he nixed it.


Lie.

Unfortunately it's all true.


How about his record of ignoring... and even

falsifying... military casualties?


Lie.

Nope, true again.


How about his record of stonewalling the Sept 11 investigation?


Bull****.

Oh? Why then has Bush refused to meet with them? So far he's given a
string of statements about his dignity, and executive priviledge... he
puts his dignity above America's safety, his priviledges above the
truth... apart from that disturbing & undeniable fact, what does he have
to hide?

So far, the Bush Administration has given minimal coopoeration with the
9-11 investigation. They've even had to get court orders.


His
record of going on vacation more than any other President, ever?


So what.

Interesting set of priorities.

His

record of lying about many things, from the Clinton staff vandalizing
the White House


another lie. Check with the GAO. Their report shows it happened just
as he
says it happened.

Umm, no. Their report said NONE of it happened.



to his declaration that he would not use Sept 11th
politically?


Where'd he say that?

About fifteen times, from two years ago until about two months ago.


How his record of bragging about his foreign policy
success, while stabbing his own Secretary of State in the back and
driving a wedge between the US and our longest & closest allies?


The wedge has been there for some time. I'm glad he just exposed the
phonies for what they are...backstabbing ingrates.

An interesting attitude.

But the FACT remains that his policies have failed. We have regime
change in Spain (and possibly coming up in Britain) and made a lot of
new enemies, but have not ended the first threat.

So we see... you are pro-Bush to the point of denying very obvious and
easily verifiable fact... in your opinion, the Bush family should come
first above the good of the rest of the country. In your opinion, lies
and profiteering are fine *if* the guys you like are doing it.

DSK


Oh, I get it, you took all the stuff about Kerry and replaced the name with
bush. :)

OT--al Qaeda already claiming Aznar's defeat as victory
 

I hear Kerry is ahead in the polls for the president of FRANCE :)

OT--al Qaeda already claiming Aznar's defeat as victory
 

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..

Really? Are you proud of his arrest record?



NOYB wrote:
Big deal. By the time we graduated from high school, 1/3 of my
graduating
had been "arrested" for underage drinking while in high school.

Ah, so now you're saying that you think it is morally OK to set an
example of boozing irresponsibly... driving while drunk among other
things... for today's young people?

How was I "setting an example for young people" when I was drinking in high
school. Afterall, I *was* "young people".






Are you proud of his
grandfather's record of selling war materials to Nazi Germany?


His




What, did speech fail you? It's true, matter of record. Prescott Bush
paid a fine out of court rather than be charged with trafficking with an
enemy state. But then the Bush family was not as rich nor as powerful as
they are now. What sort of parallel can be drawn form this, given the
free ride that the Bin Laden family and Saudi business connections have
been getting?




More recently, how about his record of running and hiding when the US
was actually under attack?


He was a target you doofus.

Really? That was proclaimed loudly but so far there is no evidence at
all.... none... just another excuse and another lie.

The Secret Service hustled the Vice President from the White House since
they believed it was a target. There is even speculation that the
terrorists that hit the Pentagon were looking to hit the White House.




That is something to be proud of all right.

But that's all old news. Let's talk about the present. How about Bush's
vetoing spending money on intel & security?


He did no such thing.

Really? Why did they cut funding for DARPA, a key military intelligence
project?

Who is "they"? And WTF are you talking about?


What about the CDC's funding for emergency equipment & training
for counter-bioterror programs? What about the roll back on airport
security? Cutting funds for updating the CIA and FBI computer systems?

The list goes on. Bush is spending gazillions on war in Iraq, which
posed only very slight terrorist threat to the US. However, when it
comes to actually taking steps to combat terrorist groups, with money
that will not be funneled into the pockets of his supporters, he doesn't
give a rat's patootie.




That might really help fight
terrorism, but he nixed it.


Lie.

Unfortunately it's all true.


How about his record of ignoring... and even

falsifying... military casualties?


Lie.

Nope, true again.


How about his record of stonewalling the Sept 11 investigation?


Bull****.

Oh? Why then has Bush refused to meet with them? So far he's given a
string of statements about his dignity, and executive priviledge... he
puts his dignity above America's safety, his priviledges above the
truth... apart from that disturbing & undeniable fact, what does he have
to hide?

So far, the Bush Administration has given minimal coopoeration with the
9-11 investigation. They've even had to get court orders.


His
record of going on vacation more than any other President, ever?


So what.

Interesting set of priorities.

His

record of lying about many things, from the Clinton staff vandalizing
the White House


another lie. Check with the GAO. Their report shows it happened just
as he
says it happened.

Umm, no. Their report said NONE of it happened.



to his declaration that he would not use Sept 11th
politically?


Where'd he say that?

About fifteen times, from two years ago until about two months ago.


How his record of bragging about his foreign policy
success, while stabbing his own Secretary of State in the back and
driving a wedge between the US and our longest & closest allies?


The wedge has been there for some time. I'm glad he just exposed the
phonies for what they are...backstabbing ingrates.

An interesting attitude.

But the FACT remains that his policies have failed. We have regime
change in Spain (and possibly coming up in Britain) and made a lot of
new enemies, but have not ended the first threat.

So we see... you are pro-Bush to the point of denying very obvious and
easily verifiable fact...

Fact? If it's so easily verified, why didn't you provide proof for any your
accusations?

OT--al Qaeda already claiming Aznar's defeat as victory
 

NOYB wrote:
How was I "setting an example for young people" when I was drinking in high
school. Afterall, I *was* "young people".

heh heh but you're only an example of an internet blow-hard Bush
cheerleader. Why would any young people want to be like you?

But you are avidly praising a man who not only has been in trouble for
alcohol, including a DUI or two (who's counting), but has used cocaine.
You are holding him up as an example, and saying that he is of higher
moral standard than 'the other guy(s).' By urging others to vote for
such a man as President, you are encouraging young people to do as he
did... drink heavily, do drugs, dodge responsibility...




The Secret Service hustled the Vice President from the White House since
they believed it was a target. There is even speculation that the
terrorists that hit the Pentagon were looking to hit the White House.

Oh? Is this 'speculation' hard proof? Seems very doubtful to me. If they
could hit the twin towers on planned vectors, why would they miss the
White House by a couple miles, by chance hitting another very symbolic
public building. But you have a different standard of logic & proof than
I do... if a BushCo flack says it, you seem to regard it as proven fact.

Here's what you are saying... there *might* have been an intent for the
Sept 11th terrorists to go after Bush or the White House... therefor he
was perfectly justified in running like a coward. Not only that, but you
proclaim that GB Jr's running like a coward, making false statements,
and totally failing to do anything other than follow his handlers,
*proves* he's a brave and intelligent leader!

Bottom line: on Sept 11th, Guiliani showed that he has leadership. Bush
showed that he's a chicken****.



So we see... you are pro-Bush to the point of denying very obvious and
easily verifiable fact...


Fact? If it's so easily verified, why didn't you provide proof for any your
accusations?

Anybody who has been paying the slightest attention knows these are all
real.

Of course, by saying "it's a lie" over and over, you get to convince
yourself... and maybe a few of the other Bush cheerleaders... that
you're winning!

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
NOYB wrote:
As a Conservative Republican, I'm very proud of Bush's record,

Really? Are you proud of his arrest record? Are you proud of his
grandfather's record of selling war materials to Nazi Germany?

More recently, how about his record of running and hiding when the US
was actually under attack? That is something to be proud of all right.
snip
DSK


SOP. The plane that crashed in PA was headed for the White House.

OT--al Qaeda already claiming Aznar's defeat as victory
 

More recently, how about his record of running and hiding when the US
was actually under attack? That is something to be proud of all right.



Calif Bill wrote:
SOP. The plane that crashed in PA was headed for the White House.

Really? How do you know that?

Anyway, does this make Bush's actions on that day somehow acceptable?
Does it make his subsequent evasion & lying justifiable?

DSK

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message thlink.net...
"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
NOYB wrote:
As a Conservative Republican, I'm very proud of Bush's record,

Really? Are you proud of his arrest record? Are you proud of his
grandfather's record of selling war materials to Nazi Germany?

More recently, how about his record of running and hiding when the US
was actually under attack? That is something to be proud of all right.
snip
DSK


SOP. The plane that crashed in PA was headed for the White House.

I don't believe that, at the time of the attacks, anybody knew WHERE
that plane was headed.

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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
NOYB wrote:
As a Conservative Republican, I'm very proud of Bush's record,

Really? Are you proud of his arrest record? Are you proud of his
grandfather's record of selling war materials to Nazi Germany?

More recently, how about his record of running and hiding when the US
was actually under attack? That is something to be proud of all right.
snip
DSK


SOP. The plane that crashed in PA was headed for the White House.

I don't believe that, at the time of the attacks, anybody knew WHERE
that plane was headed.

If it happened when Clinton was in office, would you have then believed it?
I think so.

You talk about others goose stepping and wearing blinders. Take a look in
the mirror bud.

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Jim-- wrote:
If it happened when Clinton was in office, would you have then believed it?
I think so.

Here's the real problem. For most of these people, 3+ years later, it's
*still* about Clinton.

DSK